You can almost take this essay...word for word and imagine it was written 100 years after the death of "Jesus Christ"
Let's dispel a
favorite urban myth by xyz
The lies are supposed to be behind the Christan Church now. But I am not so sure. Whenever its current leader, so-in-so, takes to the podium, something like the truth and its cousin, logic, head for the hills.
The "Jesus Christ" story that so-in-so delivered at the such-in-such meeting, became part of the unquestioned "folk wisdom" of the sidewalk, barbershop, beauty parlor and student "understanding" of the christian predicament.
The talk was about a supposed man who walked the earth, performed miracles and then rose from the dead. It is a perfect example of the "big lie" theory. Tell a big enough lie and it will become its own truth.
You can almost take this essay...word for word and imagine it was written 100 years after the death of "Jesus Christ"
Let's dispel a
favorite urban myth by xyz
The lies are supposed to be behind the Christan Church now. But I am not so sure. Whenever its current leader, so-in-so, takes to the podium, something like the truth and its cousin, logic, head for the hills.
The "Jesus Christ" story that so-in-so delivered at the such-in-such meeting, became part of the unquestioned "folk wisdom" of the sidewalk, barbershop, beauty parlor and student "understanding" of the christian predicament.
The talk was about a supposed man who walked the earth, performed miracles and then rose from the dead. It is a perfect example of the "big lie" theory. Tell a big enough lie and it will become its own truth.
So he/she is saying that this religion (and by extension all religions) are based on falsehoods. Exactly what I believe.
You can almost take this essay...word for word and imagine it was written 100 years after the death of "Jesus Christ"
Let's dispel a
favorite urban myth by xyz
The lies are supposed to be behind the Christan Church now. But I am not so sure. Whenever its current leader, so-in-so, takes to the podium, something like the truth and its cousin, logic, head for the hills.
The "Jesus Christ" story that so-in-so delivered at the such-in-such meeting, became part of the unquestioned "folk wisdom" of the sidewalk, barbershop, beauty parlor and student "understanding" of the christian predicament.
The talk was about a supposed man who walked the earth, performed miracles and then rose from the dead. It is a perfect example of the "big lie" theory. Tell a big enough lie and it will become its own truth.
So he/she is saying that this religion (and by extension all religions) are based on falsehoods. Exactly what I believe.
Only difference is that back then knowledge of science was much less, so we can excuse them.
I say....we don't know what was in the hearts of those who attended the million man march...I am not officially NOI but I believe in the teachings
Here's what I said earlier
Quote:
Do you expected to judged on the choices your children make...if your wife is a school teacher and your daughter is a stripper, does that somehow make your wife's choice invalid?
Where exactly are you going with this?
I say...you seemed to be making the point that because Elijah Muhammad's son left the Nation and gravitated toward mainstream Islam that it somehow invalidated the works of Elijah Muhammed. Assuming you are talking about Warwith Deen Muhammed, I think it would be the opinion of some that he was not the heir-apparent for the Nation of Islam...Farrakhan was...Warwith may not have wanted to be a follower instead of the leader in the organization his father built.
The Moorish movement had already existed before the NOI. I suspect they already were anti-pork. But again, Pork is no worse than a lot that is on the fast food market.
I say...yes they were probably anti-pork and i know they existed many years before the Honerable Elijah Muhammad's revelation...
The way pork is prepared in the Black community is/was very saltly, very greasey and the Nation of Islam knew/ and taught that this was detrimental to heath....
If you read Eat to Live...it does not advocate fast food....
Do I eat fast food...yes...Mickey D's, hoagies, cheesesteaks, and soda, lots and lots of soda
You can almost take this essay...word for word and imagine it was written 100 years after the death of "Jesus Christ"
Let's dispel a
favorite urban myth by xyz
The lies are supposed to be behind the Christan Church now. But I am not so sure. Whenever its current leader, so-in-so, takes to the podium, something like the truth and its cousin, logic, head for the hills.
The "Jesus Christ" story that so-in-so delivered at the such-in-such meeting, became part of the unquestioned "folk wisdom" of the sidewalk, barbershop, beauty parlor and student "understanding" of the christian predicament.
The talk was about a supposed man who walked the earth, performed miracles and then rose from the dead. It is a perfect example of the "big lie" theory. Tell a big enough lie and it will become its own truth.
So he/she is saying that this religion (and by extension all religions) are based on falsehoods. Exactly what I believe.
Only difference is that back then knowledge of science was much less, so we can excuse them.
But faith has not changed...the Nation of Islam needs no excuse because people follow the Nation's teaching on faith.
I was raised christian and believe in Jesus Christ...it opened the door in my mind to believe that the black man in America is just as important to God as were the ancient jews...the honerable Elijah Muhammad knew and wrote about things that a poor, illiterate southern black wouldn't have known about at the time...the story of Farad Muhammad seems a good explaination.
My modern sensibilites tell me tha Master Farad was an arab who looked upon the AA as his brother and used his knowledge to guide Elijah and the circle of freinds and neighbors. Master Farad was a carpet sales man who befriended a small community of southern blacks...
My belief is that "God" guided this man and his actions...the same way "God" paralysed my eye is the same way I believe God directed Master Farad.
You can almost take this essay...word for word and imagine it was written 100 years after the death of "Jesus Christ"
Let's dispel a
favorite urban myth by xyz
The lies are supposed to be behind the Christan Church now. But I am not so sure. Whenever its current leader, so-in-so, takes to the podium, something like the truth and its cousin, logic, head for the hills.
The "Jesus Christ" story that so-in-so delivered at the such-in-such meeting, became part of the unquestioned "folk wisdom" of the sidewalk, barbershop, beauty parlor and student "understanding" of the christian predicament.
The talk was about a supposed man who walked the earth, performed miracles and then rose from the dead. It is a perfect example of the "big lie" theory. Tell a big enough lie and it will become its own truth.
What is this gibberish?
If you are trying to make a point, please clarify your statements.
Your statements:
Lies behind the Christian church? What lies? What church? Which denomination?
What leader? Who said what?
Jesus's words are in red in many Bibles. That is His teachings as far as 'Christianity' is concerned. One who is searching for truth or religious knowledge should focus on what He said.
Big lie about Jesus's claims? I beg to differ. The Bible states this:
Quote:
Jesus is God – Prophecies
Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1
“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”
This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature
Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet -- especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ.
Jesus is God – His Earthly Ministry
The baby Jesus worshiped by the Magi
Matthew 2:11: “On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.”
Along with being led to the site where Jesus was born, these Magi were apparently informed by God about Jesus’ divine identity, and so they responded appropriately by worshiping Him.
Jesus accepted worship from His disciples
Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”
In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh.
Jesus’ claim about Himself
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!
Another of Jesus’ claims of deity
John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’”
It couldn’t be clearer than it is here: Jesus’ highly educated listeners understood His claim of deity. They only had two possible responses: to humble themselves and bow before Him as the Magi and the disciples had done earlier, or reject His claim and judge Him as a blasphemer. Unfortunately they chose the latter option. But notice that Jesus doesn’t argue with their accusation, because it was accurate. He really was claiming to be God!
Thomas’ response to the resurrected Jesus
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/jesus-is-god.htm
One can choose to believe or not believe. I believe because God's Word is true and the Lord has also made changes in my life beyond mere 'belief'.
The post you reference was the original article abt Willie Lynch...where I replaced references to the Nation of Islam and Willie Lynch with Christianity and Jesus Christ.
My son was very angry...he was in college but he was under alot of financial stress...one day he flipped out...and me and him talked about his fustration which at the time had alot to do with being black and poor.
I directed him to Message to the Black Man, it gave him a basis for understanding what/why we as African Americans are enduring certain circumstances. More importantly it gave him a strategy to overcome.
Honestly, had I not believed that "the white man was the devil" I could not have made sense of the world. I made it through 24 years raising 5 kids by myself. I endured alot of unfair-ness...it made it quite easy to live being able to dismiss those unfair actions as being attributed to a devilish nature...it helped me too understand phrases like "absolute power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
do I believe individual whites are the devil...no...
no more than the average christian would believe that "god" told a mother to stab her children...
LOL. Thanks for letting us know you are a racist in general because it allows you to make sense of the world. It was the same excuse Whites used to make sense of their enslaving in the first place.
LOL. Thanks for letting us know you are a racist in general because it allows you to make sense of the world. It was the same excuse Whites used to make sense of their enslaving in the first place.
I'd have to agree, yes I am a racist because I believe that race accounts for differences in human charactor and ability. I also tend to like blacks better than and think we are prettier than other "folks".
Shoot me
However whites enslave africans for economic reasons, they enslaved other whites and other races too.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
I guess Africans are Whites then because they are currently the ones with one of the higher indexes of modern slavery today.
You don't even have to look all the way to Africa or Africans to find slavery...years ago my husband worked as security at one of those asian "spas". From what he observed, those girls are kept as slaves. They do not leave the "spa". When they try, they are hunted down.
Alot of American men had to have known about this situation and in most US cities these places are openly advertised. It makes me so sad that if 60 Minutes doesn't tell folks abt whats going on in their own backyard...then they know nothing about it.
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Posted: Mon 05 Nov 2007 20:26 Post subject:
Monica wrote:
Honestly, had I not believed that "the white man was the devil" I could not have made sense of the world. I made it through 24 years raising 5 kids by myself. I endured alot of unfair-ness...it made it quite easy to live being able to dismiss those unfair actions as being attributed to a devilish nature...it helped me too understand phrases like "absolute power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
So, in your mind, only people you perceive to be Black go through unfairness?? I know you really don't think that because you have brought up poor whites who live in the Kensington section of Philly.
Since I grew up in an overwhelmingly White environment, I saw things with Whites from upper middle class backgrounds that a lot of people attribute to inner city Blacks or "trailer park" Whites. The only difference was the neighborhoods they lived in and they had a little money behind them. In some cases that money did not make a difference. Some ended up in prison or dead. Some are still trying to find their way. Some were victims of police brutality. I listen to what some folks of you mindset say, and I think, "gee how come that doesn't happen to me??" What is it about me, someone who is obviously mixed, but many see as a Black, that I do not endure certain treatment that some Whites I have known have gone through, and I mean negative treatment. Is it the way I conduct myself, that people deem me not to be a threat??? I don't know. My parents were well respected members of the neighborhood in which I still live in. My folks reside in MD now. My great grandparents were well respected in their neighborhood on the South Side of Poughkeepsie, NY, an area still today that is predominately White, let alone when they bought their house in 1907.
So perhaps you took "the white man was the devil" to motivate yourself. Maybe it worked for you. But I see it as negative energy. Negative energy usually produces negative results, not always, but usually.
I would say a more postive motivating factor with inner city people would be this: "The White man thinks I'm a droopy drawer wearing rap singing drop out who speaks Ebonics, I'm going to show him that I am an intellegent, articulate, well dressed, well mannered young person."
Anything else, and they are doing what they are expected to do....like a lot of them already are.
I think I should split this.
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Honestly, had I not believed that "the white man was the devil" I could not have made sense of the world. I made it through 24 years raising 5 kids by myself. I endured alot of unfair-ness...it made it quite easy to live being able to dismiss those unfair actions as being attributed to a devilish nature...it helped me too understand phrases like "absolute power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
So, in your mind, only people you perceive to be Black go through unfairness?? I know you really don't think that because you have brought up poor whites who live in the Kensington section of Philly.
Since I grew up in an overwhelmingly White environment, I saw things with Whites from upper middle class backgrounds that a lot of people attribute to inner city Blacks or "trailer park" Whites. The only difference was the neighborhoods they lived in and they had a little money behind them. In some cases that money did not make a difference. Some ended up in prison or dead. Some are still trying to find their way. Some were victims of police brutality. I listen to what some folks of you mindset say, and I think, "gee how come that doesn't happen to me??" What is it about me, someone who is obviously mixed, but many see as a Black, that I do not endure certain treatment that some Whites I have known have gone through, and I mean negative treatment. Is it the way I conduct myself, that people deem me not to be a threat??? I don't know. My parents were well respected members of the neighborhood in which I still live in. My folks reside in MD now. My great grandparents were well respected in their neighborhood on the South Side of Poughkeepsie, NY, an area still today that is predominately White, let alone when they bought their house in 1907.
So perhaps you took "the white man was the devil" to motivate yourself. Maybe it worked for you. But I see it as negative energy. Negative energy usually produces negative results, not always, but usually.
I would say a more postive motivating factor with inner city people would be this: "The White man thinks I'm a droopy drawer wearing rap singing drop out who speaks Ebonics, I'm going to show him that I am an intellegent, articulate, well dressed, well mannered young person."
Anything else, and they are doing what they are expected to do....like a lot of them already are.
I think I should split this.
Chapman, I am going to assume you are a man...
I had to choose to focus on my children than focus on myself. I could have spent $45 to $100 to keep my hair "did" but instead I wore dreadlocks before they were fashionable and I was tormented by whites.
I'm six feet tall so back in the day female pants in my size were $60 where a if I were a couple inches shorter I could have easily paid $12.
Only a devil would expect that a mother of 5 would do those things to please them and take from my children. I would have had to have taken from my children's minds, stomachs and backs.
I've learned more about the charactor of others by just being myself.
Now as an older adult, believe me, all these single moms (of all shades) are suffering and so are their children. I always tell them to choose their children FIRST!
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