The Study of Racialism

oevega · Posted: Sat 05 Nov 2005 22:19 Post subject: MY PRIVATE MAILS WITH STEVE SAILER

Hi,

Once in a white I look for bigots in the net and I send them personal e-mails. My especiality is anti-Hispanic bigots. In those adventures I have reached several well known racists, and we have started certain weird dialogs.

What I am looking for? Well, I am interested in the origin of racism so I study bigots like a biologist study rats in a lab.

I always try to use psycological tactics to prove they are wrong or to show what they really are. And even with my poor English once in a while I have obtained certain interesting descriptions of those bigots.

I wrote this fellow because I read an article of him in the anti-hispanic e-zine called VDARE. It was about how little important hispanic culture was.
So I decided to contact him to know what kind of individual is him.

Look at my dialog with Sailer and you'll find out he recognized there are intelligent Hispanics. So he proved his thesis about the lack of potential of Hispanics in the U.S. to be rown. The suppossed lack of intelligence of Hispanics was shown wrong by himself. So he is a very stupid man, indeed.

You have there his e-mail if you want to start a new dialog to study that rat.

In the future, if you are interested, I will publish another of these dialogs with more well known American racists.

Regards.

Omar Vega

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My first e-mail
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:32:05 -0800 (PST)
From: "omar vega" <oevega@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Latin American Immigration Unlikely to Spark A New Renaissance
To: steveslr@aol.com

Steve:

I doubt about addressing you in English because you
might think I am a retarded, because I don't use your
language as an English native speaker. However,
because I think you can't read Spanish either I'll do
it in your terms.

The thing that motivates this letter is your article
called:

"Latin American Immigration Unlikely to Spark A New
Renaissance"

Is the most stupid thing I have read in years. It just
show how ignorant you are of Latin culture. If you
need better sources of information that the ones you
got, just let me know. I'm willing to teach you some
important things about the hispanic world that surely
will change the way you see our world.

Some of your mistakes are:

* Contributions to science, measured in Nobel price
science winners only: South America 4, Hispanic world
is about 8. For example, the discoverer of the ozono
hole is Mexican. So, the hispanic world compares very
well to some other areas like Asia. Of course we won't
have as many as the US. You got something we don have
... as yet: MONEY.

* You mentioned hollywood and Silicon Valley. Well the
hispanic actors and directors have been very common in
Hollywood, from Antony Queen, to Banderas, Rita
Hayworth and Rachel Welch. At this moment there is
plenty of Latin researchers in the US. Not all of them
are employees. Some employ gringos as well.

* Do you know Gaudi, Picasso, Alvarez? Well all of
them were hispanics.

* Do you know Fangio, Fitipaldi, Piquet and Senna? The
F1 race winners, they were (or are) hispanics too.

* Colombus and Seneca were hispanics.

So, my dear friend. I will use a frase in Spanish for
you.

Antes de seguir hablando lavate el hocico con jabon!!!

(Before continue talking wash you mouth with soap!!!)

So. If you want to LEARN study. I might help if you
wish. But I think is not a good idea to show your
ignorance to the whole world. That reinforce the
stereotype of the IGNORANT GRINGO.

And don't tell me you don't understand my poor
English.

Regards,

Omar Vega,
Proud to be an hispanic.

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SECOND MAIL AFTER SAILER IGNORED ME
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Hola Steve:

Please read it carefuly.

Lei su articulo:

"Latin American Immigration Unlikely to Spark A New
Renaissance"

Encuentro que usted esta muy desinformado. Su trabajo
refleja falta de educacion. Para demostrar su tesis,
de que nuestra gente es estupida, debiera leer en
Español. Los lenguajes barbaros como el suyo no tienen
mucha informacion al respecto. En efecto, existe un
sinnumero de aportes latinoamericanos que usted, y sus
amigos de piel rosadita, desconocen.

Hey. If you don't know Spanish, how come you pretend
to know so much about us. Smile

Regards,

Omar Vega

G-Man · Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2652 }

A few things Sailer touches on on his writing that people want to ignore, preferring to focus on his bigotry:

1. Illegal immigration is illegal. People who feel their people have the right ot be here illegally are in countries like Mexico that protect their own borders with other Latin American countries.

2. Importing large numbers of poor and uneducated people increases inequality and drives down the wages of the poor who are already here.

3. . This is my observation. The demand of some Latin American immigrants living in the U.S., like Jorge Ramos, that we (the we being everyone from heterosexual white males to recent immigrants) speak Spanish, accommodate their culture, and accept the inevitability of this, smacks of linguistic and cultural chauvinism. Many non-Spanish-speaking immigrants and native-born people actually resent this (speaking from personal experience and observation).

I’ve been in situations in stores, etc., where people who could speak English demanded that salespeople speak Spanish.

4. In some cases (south Florida and southern Calirfornia), we may be importing Latin America's racial attitudes, specifically, their colorism combined with their cultures' reluctance to disguss these things openly and honestly.

oevega

Hi G-Man,

Well, I assume that you are not defending Sailer bigotry againts Latinos.

Actually, the only thing I was defending is the contribution of the Iberia and Latin America to world history. After all our people have contributed quite a lot to this common goal of developing the human race. And I will not accept other oppinions in that issue.

Now, let get to that another topic which is the illegal immigration to the U.S. And let's see if we agree about it or not.

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oevega

Hi George,

Here it is my answer

triguy · Superuser Joined: 27 Apr 2005 {Posts: 878 }

Omar, you might want to be careful for saying that Steve Sailer is a racist. Frank doesn't believe that and suspended me for saying such.

What a lot of people don't realize is that illegal immigration has been encouraged by American businesses. Who picks the fruits and vegetables in the farm fields for subpar wages in a pesticide poisoned environment? Certainly not Johnny or Susie from Caucasian suburbia.

Are we really that naive to believe that if the Powers that be wanted illegal immigration stopped the border would have been sealed long ago? Read up on who are some of the biggest opponents of anti-illegal immigration legislation.

Furthermore, from a geopolitical stability stand point, what do you think Mexico, for example, would be like had the poor not had the escape hatch to America? Wouldn't it have been ripe for a Mexican version of the Shining Path? Think about that kind of situation at our southern border.

If you were an American leader during the Cold War watching Communist insurgents and Marxist terrorists launching guerrilla revolutions left and right, you don't think you'd be worried about a Mexico that has the same ingredients for trouble? What would you do ease the burden of the Mexican government? Wouldn't you look the other way to illegal immigration, especially if it served the immediate economic interests of different industries (and campaign contributors)?

oevega · Posted: Tue 08 Nov 2005 18:32 Post subject: Hispanic culture

Salsassin · Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 }

Steve is very much a Racist. He may intellectualize it, and if you want to get technical he is a racialist, but I also have emailed with him and he constanly posts criticism of any scientist that rebutts the concept of race.

Salsassin · Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 }

Anyone who has done research on the internet on such topics as race, genetics, or interracial marriage may have directly or indirectly come across an infamous race researcher named Steve Sailer.

Who is Steve Sailer? He is one of a handful of extreme "scientific racists", affiliated with and often paid by extreme right-wing groups like VDare, American Renaissance, and others. He has written numerous pseudo-scientific articles on the internet that will fit his racist agenda that any race other than his own race, the White race, is inferior. He has a racist and condescending tone toward other races.

His falsified and racist writings have permeated the internet, creating many rumors and misunderstanding which have spread through many internet forums. Many unsuspecting people who have written articles on race or interracial marriages may have used Steve as a source while researching on the internet.

Steven Ernest Sailer is a white American male born in December 20, 1958. He attended UCLA in the early 1980s and worked for several years as a businessman in Chicago after college. In the late 1990s, he and his family (white wife Carole Sailer born 02/27/1959 and two sons) moved to his birthtown, Studio City, in the Los Angeles area where he currently resides.

It is the field of journalism, not as a businessman, which propelled Steve's publicity. Being a so-called race researcher who writes on and judges other races, and frequently condemns the non-white races as inferior and undeserving to live in America, it is only appropriate to ask, "What sort of experiences does Steve possess to research and judge other races?" He has no record of employment from the mainstream media, and he certainly has never been associated with Pulitzer winning publications or credible mainstream journalist organizations. He is not a doctor or scientist from an accredited institution in the field of race or genetics.

Possessing eloquent writing skills and a trashy attitude, Steve's first major employment debacle in journalism was for the National Review magazine, a far right-wing media publication infamously known for it's trashy, politically incorrect, borderline racist pieces of work. From 1994 to 1998, Steve wrote numerous inflammatory articles and excerpts on race and interracial marriages, primarily based on media stereotypes and his heinous group of extreme right-wing scientific racists (e.g. Phillipe Rushton, Sam Francis, the Pioneer Fund, Social Darwinists, etc...).

Once of his most (in)famous works for the National Review which boosted his publicity was the 1997 article on interracial marriages, "Is Love Colorblind". In the article, he believes Asian males and Black females are so inherently inferior and unattractive by birthright, they will be at a significant disadvantage in finding relationships and will be breeded out of society. This overexaggerated article was known to create gender divides among the races. Knowing the stir initially created by this article, he wrote another article in 2003 where he flat out lied about the 2000 Census stats on interracial marriages to repeat the havoc initially created so he can profit.

In the late 1990s, Sailer made two more accomplishments in the name of scientific racism. First, he created the Human Biodiversity Group, a right-wing eugenics thinktank where people with the mindsets of Steve Sailer can discuss and promote academic racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and eugenics policies. Among the worst members of the HBD group, whom Sailer Primarily bases his scientific research upon, are Charles Murray, Vincent Sarich, Arthur Jensen, John Derbyshire, Chris Brand, Philippe Rushton, Jim Woodhill, Steve Pinker, Jon Entine, and Peter Brimelow.

Second, Steve Sailer left the National Review to join the VDare internet publication. VDare is notorious for it's pro-fascist, anti-immigration stance and racist views to rid America of anyone who is not white. VDare's president, Peter Brimelow, declared the 1965 Immigration Act as "Hitler's revenge". As a note, VDare labels itself as a non-profit organization to avoid paying taxes and to give tax breaks to its contributors, but it profits anyway to employ exclusively right-wing biased journalists and racists so they can make a living.

Sailer's racist views and true colors became more prevalent after writing articles for VDare. Whether declaring that Latinos are no-good trash and Latino immigration must end, or that Blacks are genetically inferior in mental capability and do not deserve equal educational and economic opportunities, or that Asians are genetically inferior in physique and do not deserve opportunities in professional sports, Sailer has used VDare as his flagship to carry out his racist agenda of white supremacy and to trash on anyone who is not white like him.

Another less-than-plausible journalist achievement for Steve is joining the United Press International organization in 2001. Because writing articles under the VDare name was too conspicuous, the UPI seemed like a more neutral and acceptable logo at the time. However, a closer examination into UPI shows the same extreme right-wing bias.

The UPI, a subsidiary of the conservative Washington Times, is a 93-year-old agency which has been a financially troubled operation for the past three decades, with multiple ownership changes during the past 18 years. A major historical turning point of UPI was in 2000, when the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's media organization, News World Communications, purchased the Washington Times and UPI to extend his media regime to the international level. The Rev. Sun Myung Moon, who heads his Unification Church, is a cultist leader and extreme right-winger from Korea. He is known for starting an obsessive cult group, whom his followers are labeled Moonies, in America during the 1970s, and has been known to spread his ultra-conservative movement centered around him on an international level since then.

As you can infer, the UPI (also nicknamed the Unification Press International) exclusively employs right-wing biased journalists, including Steve Sailer.

Before you get offended with any of his writings, please keep in mind he is only a biased freelance writer. He is not a scientist or doctor from an accredited institution in the field of genetics or race. His livelihood depends on overexaggerating, even flat out lying, to create a stir among the public so he can profit and pay off his personal bills. Unfortunately, his countless writings on the internet has created much lies and discontent, and it is time to hold him accountable.

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oevega

William · Posted: Mon 14 Nov 2005 17:55 Post subject:

oevega · Posted: Tue 15 Nov 2005 22:38 Post subject: Barbarians and Spanish Language