I really believe much of the reasons for MulatoKid's disparging remarks about Black Americans in general, results from the fact he like most Mulattos have no social structures to mentor him through the travials of racial life in the Unites States and hence is metaphorically left out in a wilderness to discover, learn, and teach himself. The consequence of this, especially in more youthful age, is that one will make many more mistakes than those that have a solid mentorship. However with the advent of the internet and message boards like this and others related to mixedrace peoples, a cyber social structure that creates the possibility of mentorship (in limited regards) has emerged.
1. When two people have a child they produce a combination that has not existed before - something unique. We put a racial spin on this biological fact and pass all kinds of pathology onto children. Blame his parents and family. The only insulation that Black children have against a world is a solid family structure and/or individuals who care about them. The same goes for any child, but obviously it is important for children whose parents have crossed a societal boundary by getting together. Many such children had neither and don't spew racist vitriol on message boards.
2. I for one, do not have limitless patience with angry people who lash out blaming groups of people for what a few people have done to them. I could do the same, and could count more Black people among them even though I identify as Black too. I don't hate Black people because of it. I could also point fingers at the biracial/mulatto/mixed people who made my life hell but I'd rather focus on the people from the same background who are my true friends and allies in this world. These sad idiots, some of whom are my family members, have no prominent place in my psyche anymore, but it didn't take pride in a racial identity to accomplish that feat.
3. My hope for Zack is that he learns to divorce people from their politics and issues and treat them as individuals. He likely responds positively to people who treat him as such but all these people are not going to be mulatto. I hope he doesn't lose himself again when a mulatto person breaks his heart or disappoints him in some way. That's what happens when you put your faith into a culture/ethnicity/race instead of something more fundamental. Hopefully he can discover that well-adjusted people come in all colors if he would only open his mind and stop letting the hurt rule his behavior.
@ bold #1: I don't agree with your proposition in so far as it is centered around this: The only insulation that Black children have against a world is a solid family structure and/or individuals who care about them. Black children have an entire culture that molds them and gives them emotional and psychological refuge to being "Black." There are no "mulatto tv" shows or "mulatto movies." How many "mulatto barbershops" does one encounter? (outside of a particular New York hair salone that has marketed to mixed race peoples) There are Black Greek Fraternities, Black Greek Sororities. Hell there are Black gangs like the Vice Lords and GD's that incorporate a Black nationalistic belief into themselves. And there are plenty of Black magazines directed towards Black youth and older adults which are never short on how to build pride in being Black and how to love a Black woman or a Black man.
Like I said being Mulatto, at least in the United States, is like being Puerto Rican with out any "Puerto Ricans," yet still having to navigate your way through the racial travails of life while constantly recieving negative messages about yourself.
As for this: Many such children had neither and don't spew racist vitriol on message boards. I'm not a believer of the famous point out how a few others suffer but make through life great, thing. I use to believe that stuff when I was younger but I've learned a while ago human beings in general respond very similar to things. The FBI seems to thing so they developed away to profile serial killers past lives based upon their current behaviors in their murders. People that council rape victims seem to think so too or else we should start sending male doctors to touch and check females that are brought on hospitals for rape attacks. People that council crack addicts seem to thing crack addicts respond similar to smoking crack regardless of race, color, creed, or economic status.
Many people don;t have many things. Many people that live in abject poverty in India don't have area homicide rates like Brazilian favelas or U.S. Black or Latino ghettos either... and those Hindu and Muslim Indians at the bottom of Indian society live far less comfortable.
Zack's anger is the result of years of rejection, insults, and attacks by Black Americans. Not one day, not a few occassional things he read over the internet, but years in his personal life.
@ bold #2: "A few" people is a matter of perception. Only a "few white people" might treat a Black American in a negative manner, yet that does not stop their culture from talking smack about White people and accusing the White people in general of promoting a racist society.
Plus to get angry at Zack's anger an insults is only to show that human beings respond similar. Anger and hatred begets anger and hatred. To some people escape it? Yes. But very few. Hence the Balkan wars and every other racial/ethnic agression in this world.
@ bold #3: Zack just recently seemed to turn this way. I knew him from his posts on MF.Com. He was quite different. It just seems some events kind of set a fuse to some things that were bottled-up, building pressure through the years, and blew.
The fact that he endured so long speaks good things to him to me. He grew up around white people. I grew up much different, I grew up around Black people. I talk and sound like a Black person if you were to hear me on the phone. And I'm aware of how Black Americans, in general, treat mixed mulatto kids like Zach, and it's not nice.
Not all mulattos go through the same degree of persecution. Not all dark Black women find rejection. Not all White people grow up middle class or rich. Are experience will shape us for better or worse.
I'm not the biggest advocate of "love" . But I do believe in the transforming power of love. I've met some awsome White and Black people in my life, and I know it had a positive effect on me.
Black children have an entire culture that molds them and gives them emotional and psychological refuge to being "Black." There are no "mulatto tv" shows or "mulatto movies." How many "mulatto barbershops" does one encounter? (outside of a particular New York hair salone that has marketed to mixed race peoples) There are Black Greek Fraternities, Black Greek Sororities. Hell there are Black gangs like the Vice Lords and GD's that incorporate a Black nationalistic belief into themselves. And there are plenty of Black magazines directed towards Black youth and older adults which are never short on how to build pride in being Black and how to love a Black woman or a Black man.
A culture and sense of pride are not built in a day. People need to take responsibility for themselves, get off their butts and do something about things they don't like. That's all that Black people did and do to create this wealth of objects and associations that demonstrate pride in their culture. If we had waited on White people to improve our lot and self-esteem we'd still be waiting. If mulattos feel that strongly about it they should do the same. And many of them already did, as Blacks, but that isn't good enough for mulatto separatists. Again, "get yours," like successful people do. Stop whining and lashing out at people on websites and start organizing and re-creating organizations for mulattos. I say re-create because, again, many Black organizations were founded by people that mulattos will see as their own.
What I mean is that even this venerable culture cannot save every child. If your parents don't have any sense, if they are colorstruck, Black white supremacists (yep, I said it), or if they cannot teach you to deal with your environment (or can't get you out of an abusive environment) you are going to have issues that reading Maya Angelou may not solve. You have some very pathological families or people within families that pass them on the their children. How many Black people in urban areas truly get positive messages about themselves as Black people? They are bombarded with negativity. Many organizations are for middle-class and rich people. It takes money to be a Black Greek...I mean, college isn't an option that every Black kid grows up to believe they have. There are reasons for that which transcend race. Hell, there would be no poor White people in the US if race-based pride programs worked 100%. The white supremacy agenda has nothing on the NAACP. lol
I sure hope someone is doing studies on biracial kids that are examining their family structures. It's my gut feeling that the kids who grow up in healthy family situations and in healthy environments don't have this "tragic mulatto" outlook no matter how they self-identify. It could be that family and parental issues were racialized in a child's mind, that allowing a child to be subjected to racism and colorism by any group will negatively impact their self-image. I mean, how can you expect a kid who grows up around hostility to grow up with a healthy attitude about anything? But I think that race is the window-dressing. As you said, these human issues are common to all. And if I treated mulatto crack addicts and mulatto rape victims and mulatto child molestors differently that White or Black ones I would certainly be missing the point UNLESS their racial identity factored in. People are not their race. Race is a social construct treated as reality.
The Black people who terrorized Zack also terrorize anyone who doesn't fit their idea of what a Black person should be. Since you grew up around Black people then you know that very darskinned kids are treated just as badly if not worse in some instances. These closet white supremacists hate themselves, first and foremost, and project their inner demons onto easy targets in their midst. Everyone has demons, not just mulattos and criminals. I hope Zack and others like him learn how to deal in positive way and don't hurt more people on their road to peace of mind about who they are.
Posted: Thu 06 Jul 2006 14:58 Post subject: Re: Hatred toward Mulattos at brazzilrace.com
Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
http://www.brazzilrace.com/viewtopic.php?t=274
First of all I want to say that I realize that the author of the the thread MulattoKid was pretty rude. His post sounded kinda nationalistic so it's no supprise that he got some angry replies, but theres a difference between a simply angry reply and an absolute hate filled reply which is what 3 out of 4 replies to his post are. Also I agree with him in that there does seem to be quite a few Afro-Americans in the forum preaching Afrocentrism and One droppism to the Afro-Brazilians, those two Posters who spewed out all the anti-mulatto garbage in their replies are both Afro-Americans and not Afro-Brazilians, as a matter of fact they're probably Black Nationalist/Black Supremist of some kind. MulattoKid's post was provocative but if you browse through some of the other post in the forum you'll see those same two posters saying negative things about Mulattos even in threads that are not as provocative as the one Mulattokid made.
It is shocking to me just how hostile some black Americans can be towards mulattos just for not wanting to be black identified.
How do you know they are not black identified mulattoes or mixed ?
I really believe much of the reasons for MulatoKid's disparging remarks about Black Americans in general, results from the fact he like most Mulattos have no social structures to mentor him through the travials of racial life in the Unites States and hence is metaphorically left out in a wilderness to discover, learn, and teach himself. The consequence of this, especially in more youthful age, is that one will make many more mistakes than those that have a solid mentorship. However with the advent of the internet and message boards like this and others related to mixedrace peoples, a cyber social structure that creates the possibility of mentorship (in limited regards) has emerged.
1. When two people have a child they produce a combination that has not existed before - something unique. We put a racial spin on this biological fact and pass all kinds of pathology onto children. Blame his parents and family. The only insulation that Black children have against a world is a solid family structure and/or individuals who care about them. The same goes for any child, but obviously it is important for children whose parents have crossed a societal boundary by getting together. Many such children had neither and don't spew racist vitriol on message boards.
2. I for one, do not have limitless patience with angry people who lash out blaming groups of people for what a few people have done to them. I could do the same, and could count more Black people among them even though I identify as Black too. I don't hate Black people because of it. I could also point fingers at the biracial/mulatto/mixed people who made my life hell but I'd rather focus on the people from the same background who are my true friends and allies in this world. These sad idiots, some of whom are my family members, have no prominent place in my psyche anymore, but it didn't take pride in a racial identity to accomplish that feat.
3. My hope for Zack is that he learns to divorce people from their politics and issues and treat them as individuals. He likely responds positively to people who treat him as such but all these people are not going to be mulatto. I hope he doesn't lose himself again when a mulatto person breaks his heart or disappoints him in some way. That's what happens when you put your faith into a culture/ethnicity/race instead of something more fundamental. Hopefully he can discover that well-adjusted people come in all colors if he would only open his mind and stop letting the hurt rule his behavior.
@ bold #1: I don't agree with your proposition in so far as it is centered around this: The only insulation that Black children have against a world is a solid family structure and/or individuals who care about them. Black children have an entire culture that molds them and gives them emotional and psychological refuge to being "Black."
This isn't so obviously true, there are many kids we call black that I call Americans who happen to be black. There are many blacks who don't have positive culture, there really isn't one black community out there. I don't think the largely wealthy upscale 'black' communities of Atlanta and Harlem and other place have much in common with those of black ghettoes. As a person who grew up in a black community I had nothing in common with many of the black/mixed kids who grew up in poorer seperated communities neighborhoods and circles of people. I had tangable touchable people I could look up to who were nonmixed/as well as mixed. They gave me a world of opportunity and positive outlook. They pushed you to be the best or at least you had that idea. Even though we know individual families in those communities can have another spin: divorce, busy parents, wrong motives for success etc etc
Mulattoes & mixed people were all over tv shows, I don't think it had to be a 'Mulatto' show particularly to help someone have a better self esteem.
There are no "mulatto tv" shows or "mulatto movies." How many "mulatto barbershops" does one encounter? (outside of a particular New York hair salone that has marketed to mixed race peoples) There are Black Greek Fraternities, Black Greek Sororities.
Please, there are many Greek Sororities/Faternaties that only allow mixed people in, even if they identify as black. Or people with good hair.
The movie Spike Lee made wasn't a fantasy, he wanted to call to light some truths happening in colleges.
Hell there are Black gangs like the Vice Lords and GD's that incorporate a Black nationalistic belief into themselves. And there are plenty of Black magazines directed towards Black youth and older adults which are never short on how to build pride in being Black and how to love a Black woman or a Black man.
Like I said being Mulatto, at least in the United States, is like being Puerto Rican with out any "Puerto Ricans," yet still having to navigate your way through the racial travails of life while constantly recieving negative messages about yourself.
As for this: Many such children had neither and don't spew racist vitriol on message boards. I'm not a believer of the famous point out how a few others suffer but make through life great, thing. I use to believe that stuff when I was younger but I've learned a while ago human beings in general respond very similar to things. The FBI seems to thing so they developed away to profile serial killers past lives based upon their current behaviors in their murders. People that council rape victims seem to think so too or else we should start sending male doctors to touch and check females that are brought on hospitals for rape attacks. People that council crack addicts seem to thing crack addicts respond similar to smoking crack regardless of race, color, creed, or economic status.
Many people don;t have many things. Many people that live in abject poverty in India don't have area homicide rates like Brazilian favelas or U.S. Black or Latino ghettos either... and those Hindu and Muslim Indians at the bottom of Indian society live far less comfortable.
Zack's anger is the result of years of rejection, insults, and attacks by Black Americans. Not one day, not a few occassional things he read over the internet, but years in his personal life.
Do you know this for a fact? you saw it? Even though I know that mixed people to various degrees do get picked on. I know from experience that we do the same to black kids as well. I also remember a number of situations where I saw why black kids may felt they 'had reason' to pick on biracial or mixed kids. Sometimes the attitude from the mixed kid wasn't so cool.
@ bold #2: "A few" people is a matter of perception. Only a "few white people" might treat a Black American in a negative manner, yet that does not stop their culture from talking smack about White people and accusing the White people in general of promoting a racist society.
Plus to get angry at Zack's anger an insults is only to show that human beings respond similar. Anger and hatred begets anger and hatred. To some people escape it? Yes. But very few. Hence the Balkan wars and every other racial/ethnic agression in this world.
@ bold #3: Zack just recently seemed to turn this way. I knew him from his posts on MF.Com. He was quite different. It just seems some events kind of set a fuse to some things that were bottled-up, building pressure through the years, and blew.
The fact that he endured so long speaks good things to him to me. He grew up around white people. I grew up much different, I grew up around Black people. I talk and sound like a Black person if you were to hear me on the phone. And I'm aware of how Black Americans, in general, treat mixed mulatto kids like Zach, and it's not nice.
Not all mulattos go through the same degree of persecution. Not all dark Black women find rejection. Not all White people grow up middle class or rich. Are experience will shape us for better or worse.
I'm not the biggest advocate of "love" . But I do believe in the transforming power of love. I've met some awsome White and Black people in my life, and I know it had a positive effect on me.
Just my opinions... you can have the last words.
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Zack's anger is the result of years of rejection, insults, and attacks by Black Americans. Not one day, not a few occassional things he read over the internet, but years in his personal life.
I understand how this can negativily effect someone. I would just hope that Zack would remember that he's not the only one who's experienced this treatment. And that he doesn't have to be a slave to anger and resentment because of it. I honestly believe he will make it through as long as he doesn't allow himself to become consumed with hate. Nothing would make those a** holes happier than to think they succeeded in destroying his peace of mind. His happiness. There are also blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, etc... who've also experienced torment because they didn't fit in or stood out in some way. Which is not to take away from his pain. Isn't it wonderful that we live in the age of the Internet where you can find like minded individuals who understand what you're going through, even if you don't have those people in your personal life? Make use of this gift.
@ bold #2: "A few" people is a matter of perception. Only a "few white people" might treat a Black American in a negative manner, yet that does not stop their culture from talking smack about White people and accusing the White people in general of promoting a racist society.
It's true what you said about perception. But one must also remember that there are blacks who do not paint all white people with a racist brush. Sure, the so called "spokespeople/leaders" may think their speaking for the masses, but they in NO way are speaking for all.
Plus to get angry at Zack's anger an insults is only to show that human beings respond similar. Anger and hatred begets anger and hatred. To some people escape it? Yes. But very few. Hence the Balkan wars and every other racial/ethnic agression in this world.
True. I would just hope that Zack and others like him will realize that it IS possible to escape this cycle of anger/hatred. For health reasons alone it's important to rid onself of this anger. Associating with like minded and understanding individuals - who understand the different aspects of a biracial American experience - can only help. Everyone needs to let off steam once in a while and I swear there are groups out there for every imaginable population. You just have to go out there and find your niche.
@ bold #3: Zack just recently seemed to turn this way. I knew him from his posts on MF.Com. He was quite different. It just seems some events kind of set a fuse to some things that were bottled-up, building pressure through the years, and blew.
The fact that he endured so long speaks good things to him to me. He grew up around white people. I grew up much different, I grew up around Black people. I talk and sound like a Black person if you were to hear me on the phone. And I'm aware of how Black Americans, in general, treat mixed mulatto kids like Zach, and it's not nice.
If you mean inner city and/or uneducated blacks, I would say yes indeed many do have an axe to grind with mixed people. Especially those who identify as such and do not act in ugly, stereotypically black ways. And some seemingly middle class blacks can have issues as well. It's usually self-hatred accompanied by feelings of jealousy (along with hopelessness) that produces the resentment. Misery loves company. But we shouldn't forget that there are other blacks - and in some instances I guess I should say black identified since many are themselves of obvious bi/multiracial ancestry - especially when you get into the higher echelons, who straight up PREFER visibly mixed/biracial people to blacks with stereotypically Negroid features.
Not all mulattos go through the same degree of persecution. Not all dark Black women find rejection. Not all White people grow up middle class or rich. Are experience will shape us for better or worse.
I'm not the biggest advocate of "love" . But I do believe in the transforming power of love. I've met some awsome White and Black people in my life, and I know it had a positive effect on me.
I am a true believer in and advocate of love, and know that it has a transforming power. The thing is, people shouldn't allow themselves to get stuck in a negative, angry, and bitter mindset. Right when you're mind has been made up, and you think you've come to a finale conclusion regarding an issue, something positive can happen to change your whole outlook. Brighten it and expand it.
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The Black people who terrorized Zack also terrorize anyone who doesn't fit their idea of what a Black person should be. Since you grew up around Black people then you know that very darskinned kids are treated just as badly if not worse in some instances. These closet white supremacists hate themselves, first and foremost, and project their inner demons onto easy targets in their midst. Everyone has demons, not just mulattos and criminals. I hope Zack and others like him learn how to deal in positive way and don't hurt more people on their road to peace of mind about who they are.
Quadruple Amen. I couldn't have said it better myself. We are only tormenting OURSELVES when we mull over again and again the horrible incidents in our pasts. We desearve better than that and must force ouselves sometimes to also remember the good things we've experienced. And if those good experiences have only come from one population/"race" so be it! Doesn't make it any less real or wonderful.
We must create balance in our thinking for our physical and mental well being.
I'm aware the Black south has more extreme forms of colorism than the Black communities of North in the U.S., consequently some Black Greek orginizations only favor more towards light skin Black or even recruiting mulattos in. Their identity is Black though. I didn't have to see Spike Lee's movie by the way as I ecountered Black Greek orginizations down south when I was in the military and consequently hanging out at Black colleges like Hampton University (which the way is made up heavily of Black kids from well-to-do families).
Now I'm not going to argue long with you as one can believe what they want, but I can be spared the criticism of Mulattos, I was not born yesterday and it is not as if I have never read a book in my life, Black people be they in the Americas or in Africa have no glorious claim to collectivelly throwing off injustice upon them in an orginized, systematic way in a short period of time. Their consciouness took years upon years upon years to be awoken. One could argue over much of Africa it still has yet to be awaken though they rule themselves. So the awakening of Mulattos and mixed peoples in the United States or else where needs to be kept in context to it own historical story.
As for "tragedy" ? Ironic it's not Mulattos, under the pretext of being Mulattos, who lobby for financial compensation to Black America for slavery her ancestors endured. We claim "tragedy" to no greater degree than anyone else - rich Jew of generation x or other.
Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 03:43 Post subject: I'M SPEECHLESS
So...............you've all been talking about me. I didn't have any idea that this was going on, but now it all makes sense to me how harmoni found out about what I wrote on Brazzill forum.
Sal, goddamn it. How dare you liken me to a afrocentrist? News flash, i have facts and theories and evidence, and i have reasonable arguments, all of which are things that they lack. Afrocentrists are my biggest enemies, even worse than white supremacists, its like you calling me a Jewish Nazi, and I dont take kindly to it.
OFFICIAL CHALLENGE: I challenge Salassin to any debate he chooses, we can do this here or we can do this on another forum. Im not afraid of you, Im not scared to lose, and I think it would be fun. All I ask from you is your respect, because I have read your posts for longer than you know and I allways respected you, please do me the same favor.
Phil345, be carefull when you make those kinds of assertions. Maybe YOU dont know what YOURE talking about. Anyway, I might have been a little hasty when I claimed hundreds of thousands of ethnic Mulattos in the US identified as such, but I was referring to a speech made by ABRAHAM LINCOLN concerning Mulattos in the south. A better figure would put the number at some 10s of thousands, minumum, it really depends on how many Mulattos there were in Florida, Lousiana, and Alabama, the states that refused to adopt that odious U.S. colorline untill the 1850s. This is according to Frank's essays on the Antebellum South. Maybe YOU should read them some time, huh? I'm trying my best to control myself here, but i really cant stand people callling me ignorant, especially when they dont offer any counter hypotheses! I do respect a lot of the things you have had to say though, on this board, so I would like to stay on good terms with you and I'm not gonna talk a bunch of shit. Please dont do that again though, Im really really trying here.
To the rest of you, thanks to those of you who stuck up for me. Harmoni, you understand me better than I understand myself, sometimes. I wonder if we have a lot of history in common? To all the haters, I would cuss you out but I have the funniest feeling that wouldnt be tollerated on this board.
Ah well, I suppose its for my own good that I dont make TOO many enemies just yet.
Well one things for sure, I did hit this forum like a tonn of bricks. Hopefully next time I make a bigger splash with more positive results eh? I mean, harmoni has made me see the error of inciting an all out race-war on brazill.com. I intimated that it might have been better to leave such rhetoric for the black ODR boards, so maybe you can look for my "hate-speech" there. For now, I got to go see what you all wrote about me, I was so anxious to write this that I didnt get a chance to really look.
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Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 05:41 Post subject: Re: I'M SPEECHLESS
TheMulattoKid wrote:
Harmoni, you understand me better than I understand myself, sometimes. I wonder if we have a lot of history in common?
Certainly in rage we do.
But my rage is more at human beings in general and less at any specific race.
I think we both have been rejected or picked on by Black people at times. I think for you though it was (or has been) much worse than my history of it. Because by-in-large most Black dudes always accepted me in-so-far as I was half Black and one of them in most cultural respects (though because of my mother's race my eating was a little more diverse than what the average Black or white person grew up eating - ethnically speaking). I've always had some Black friends that would stick up for me (not that on all occassions they would be around to do that). That makes dramatic impact.
I've had the fortune to meet some really genereous and cool White and Black people in my life (as well as of other races or ethnic groups). However these people have been an extreme minority. Nonetheless... their impact in my life, as well as haveing to ever so often remind myself it is not right to take out my own pains and past sufferings on others, as well even reflection on Jesus at times whom was 1,000 times the man and good person I have ever been - rejected by his own people and suffered much, as to probably in all seriousness is what restrains me from becoming a psychopathic killer or having entered and worked my way up some criminal enterprise and ruthelessly on her enemies. Because some where in me is the potential for both.
It's a constant work for me to restrain my rage. Many times I consider going back into the world of military arms... but not into a professional military force like the United States. More along the lines of NGO's and rebel outfits - like in the Gaza or down in Colombian jungles.
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Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 06:56 Post subject:
Damn! It seems like the brazzil forum is really going to hell . I thought the black posters hating on Mulattos was bad, but that guy Mulatto Power puts them to shame with all the hate he's spouting.
Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 07:06 Post subject: Re: I'M SPEECHLESS
TheMulattoKid wrote:
Sal, goddamn it. How dare you liken me to a afrocentrist? News flash, i have facts and theories and evidence, and i have reasonable arguments, all of which are things that they lack. Afrocentrists are my biggest enemies, even worse than white supremacists, its like you calling me a Jewish Nazi, and I dont take kindly to it.
And many Afrocentrists believe they have the same thing.
Your post was extreme. So was theirs.
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OFFICIAL CHALLENGE: I challenge Salassin to any debate he chooses, we can do this here or we can do this on another forum. Im not afraid of you, Im not scared to lose, and I think it would be fun. All I ask from you is your respect, because I have read your posts for longer than you know and I allways respected you, please do me the same favor.
I respect your passion kiddo, but I think you are going down the wrong route.
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Well one things for sure, I did hit this forum like a tonn of bricks. Hopefully next time I make a bigger splash with more positive results eh? I mean, harmoni has made me see the error of inciting an all out race-war on brazill.com. I intimated that it might have been better to leave such rhetoric for the black ODR boards, so maybe you can look for my "hate-speech" there. For now, I got to go see what you all wrote about me, I was so anxious to write this that I didnt get a chance to really look.
Yes EH does understand you better than yourself. He has walked those footsteps before you. You think I didn't get into huge debates with him too? He has mellowed out a lot. Still witty though. Not sure where your current antagonism is coming from, but all it will do is incite antagonism back. Ethnocentrism of any type usually clashes. Plus you do look like you are more motivated by wounds of some sort rather than a sense of historic identity.
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Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 07:07 Post subject:
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Marcus_Aurelius wrote…
"I would like to know where he gets his info from. "
Much of that info came from my father's eyewitness accounts of the civil rights movements, his readings, and his secondhand knowledge from other people alive at that time, that’s where. Much of the rest is my personal opinion based on said info and other sources of information that are much more solid. I'm allowed to have opinions, and note, just to clear things up, that I never said in that Brazil post that everything I wrote was uncontested fact, now did I. But its sure as hell as true as everything most of our posters here say, so don’t you dare hold me to a double standard. I am convinced of most of what I wrote, and think I can prove it.
Calm down kid, I support you and your cause to the fullest. I was just wondering where you got your info from since you didn't post any links.
Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 07:26 Post subject: Re: The Mulato Kid.................Strikes back
TheMulattoKid wrote:
Yes, of course it was rude, I meant for it to be a brutal and searing attack on the enemy. One droppists, especially BLACK ONE DROPPISTS, are the enemy, and you know this. Thank you for understanding however that their response was vicious and totally uncalled for. It even surpassed MY expectations, I was shocked.
THe attack came off as being against Blacks, not just one droppists.
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I wish I had A.D. (my heroe!) here to back me up, she uses her "sword" every time she posts, and the haters never trip on her. But maybe that’s cuz theyre scared?
You gotta be kidding right? Frnak has suspended BOTH of us before because our debates would get to hot. And I told her the same thing, she was not only defending her right to self identify, but was always attacking the identities of other as well.
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Man that brings a tear to my eye. I went to a club last night and saw a bunch of cool black dudes, and tons of Mulattos. I felt a little bit ashamed of myself, for letting out that hatefull, rage-filled can of worms most of the p----ies who don’t like me pretend they don’t have, (or that they "never" did). I don’t hate Blacks! Im just really really really mad at them. I wish they would end this whole war thing, but I don’t know what to do when they attack me over and over and over and over and over and over and over…… well you get the picture. The most painfull part is that Im pretty cool with a lot of Black dudes at school, but I could never tell them my true feelings. We have a kind of cold truce, they either don’t question my race or back off when I stand up for myself, and I don’t tell them about why Blacks suck. It still hurts though.
Not all Blacks are one droppists and the sense that it is a war against all of them is just as stereotyping.
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Don't you dare try to trivialize and margenalize me or my ideas. The Black extremists are morons, just like KKK and Aryan supremacists. I on the other hand, have brains and I can think logically. Maybe the fact is I'm just not a p----y who goes around pretending that hes not angry about being beat over the head all the time.
THere is a difference between anger and embracing a dofferent version of the same ignorance that makes you mad.
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Brazilians would not think I am crazy, how could they when they secretely harbor worse views that I do?
Evidence please.
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Latins and their damn denial. What I should do is go to Brazil. Stepping out of this warzone might calm me down and give me a new found disgust for Mulatto racism, "smile".
Maybe. THen you could become a one dropist again. LOL
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P.S., I like Blacks better than most Latins in the United States, how you like them apples?
And this should concern me why?
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Dude, sometimes you make me so angry I think I'll spontaneously combust at the computer.
Would that be a red, blue or violet flame?
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Why the heck do you think they were Black?! Its because they were forced into it by America's totally degenerate, ultra counter-factual, racist and anti-mescegenic racial customs! Read Frank's essays for gods sake!
I have, and that still doesn't change that it was not their fault or that they did share a bond that made them of the same ethnicity.
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Yea, Salassin gave me the impression that he was happy to have them tear me to shredds, thanks bro (vomit). Even if you don't like me, you should stand up for Mulattos. I felt like you let down the multiracial movement Sal, by not fighting when the opportunity presented itself. As for Billygee, that guy is a retard and a p---y if what you are saying is true. He doesn’t have the nutts to face me on here.
You both behaved like rabid children on both sides. Why would I defend either? I defend those who post calmly and demand respect for their identities and don't try to tell others how to identify.
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You're dead wrong on that one amigo. So long as other ethnicities do it, then we can do it too. No golden pedastle!
Wrong. If you do what they do, then you make their claims as valid as yours.
Don't assume that because I don't take your approach i haven't been challenging ODR mentalities. I do it every day. I DO have the balls to challenge Black ODR on their own turfs in person, in their face. DO it on almost a daily basis. But I do it calmly and with logic. You'd be surprised how many of them have left in a daze, cause they never thought about it that way. Let alone that a European looking Afrodescent person was going to school them. But see I give props where they are due. You can't take away without filling the void. Many people are empowered by those lies. So you taking it away without anything to fill that void, is like knofing them and they will defend their way of thinking. Give them alternatives that still give them pride and then you will have them listen. I have done this with Whites with some racist mentalities as well.
You can't dam a river for ever but you can direct its currents.
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First off, I'm 19 years old going on 20, I am a college student, and I live in California. My Dad is a Black creole, and My Mom is a White Jew.
Pretty much I allways considered myself mixed but I never was open about it and I didnt really know much of what it meant. I allways kind of thought that society saw people like me as "freaks". I dont mean really freaks, I mean that we were seen as abnormal, or new - something that suddenly came about because of unexpected circumstances. But...
Thats when I found this sight, and it changed everything.
I realized I wasnt alone. I allways thought I was just some kind of freak that resulted from the civil rights movment.
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. But I do believe in the transforming power of love. I've met some awsome White and Black people in my life, and I know it had a positive effect on me.
? Ironic it's not Mulattos, under the pretext of being Mulattos, who lobby for financial compensation to 
. I thought the black posters hating on Mulattos was bad, but that guy Mulatto Power puts them to shame with all the hate he's spouting. 