The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' Are Argentineans "Racist" (and in what sense)? Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Latin America Author Message Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 22:09    Post subject: Re: Rethoric oevega wrote: What does mean? What is traditionally African? Egyptians or Koi-Sans, Berbers or Bantues? You bet. Quote: You are mixing pears and apples. Yes, Palestianeans are Asians like Japaneses and East Indians, but rational people know they are different people. Of course. As are latinos. But we recognize common ground. And in Latin America. Afrodescent people tend to have a lot more common ground than in Africa itself. Quote: Afrikaners as well. French Argelians can apply too. Spaniards born in Spanish Morocco or in the Canarias could apply too. Why not? They are all descendents of Kemet No, they are not. And thus your rhetoric goes into strawmen when you can't debate what has been stated. Afrikaners are of the historical origin of Holland. As for the Algerians and Morrocans, it would depend on where there historic ancestry was from. Same with the Canaries. Quote: Experiences is a very flexible term, too. What has in common a Malgache with a Berber camel rider? Define it please. On Africa, not much. But while you find Malagaches in South America, not that many Berbers. And the Malagaches share slavery and common culture with Bantu in places like Peru. Quote: Flexible definition to say the least. It has set parameters. Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 22:28    Post subject: Re: Rethoric Salsassin wrote: Of course. As are latinos. But we recognize common ground. Latinos have a common ground because they share: (1) a history, (2) to speak in a Latin language, (3) a common culture. Quote: And in Latin America. Afrodescent people tend to have a lot more common ground than in Africa itself. Of course. Because people in Latin America has in common to be LATINOS. That's why the so call "afrodescent people" have more in common in the Americas than Africans in Africa. Because they are LATINOS. Omar Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 22:41    Post subject: Nope. Because Afrodescent people from english islands, and portuguese lands, and suriname. have things in common as well. Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 22:55    Post subject: What? Salsassin wrote: Nope. Because Afrodescent people from english islands, and portuguese lands, and suriname. have things in common as well. What have in common? If they are BLACK they have something in common: discrimination. If they are not (most "Afrodescendents" are not Black) then I don't see what they could have in common. Omar Back to top Preciosa Probationary Joined: 26 Dec 2006 {Posts: 9 } Location: Caribbean Posted: Tue 26 Dec 2006 17:22    Post subject: Hi, everybody. This is my first post. As an Argentine (born and grew up there) I think it would be unfair for me to say Argentines in general are "racists", there *are* racists like any other country in the world but I do admit that a lot of my folks have issues with skin color. Most of the time, it is done out of ignorance. Most Argentines do not have the opportunity to travel around the world and experience other people's cultures and backgrounds, therefore only when they travel to the US or other country they fully realized that they are not considered as "White/Europeans" as they always thought they were, but labeled as "Hispanic" with no difference from Mexicans or Peruvians. (not that I personally see a difference really) Ignorance is in no way justification for racism, I am just trying to explain why some Argentines could be considered racists. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Tue 26 Dec 2006 23:49    Post subject: Re: What? oevega wrote: Salsassin wrote: Nope. Because Afrodescent people from english islands, and portuguese lands, and suriname. have things in common as well. What have in common? If they are BLACK they have something in common: discrimination. If they are not (most "Afrodescendents" are not Black) then I don't see what they could have in common. Omar Nice try. Even if they are not seen as black, afrodescent people still have common histories in their families. They share history in common. Discrimination is not the only thing that is shared by people of Afrodescent. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Tue 26 Dec 2006 23:51    Post subject: Preciosa wrote: Hi, everybody. This is my first post. As an Argentine (born and grew up there) I think it would be unfair for me to say Argentines in general are "racists", there *are* racists like any other country in the world but I do admit that a lot of my folks have issues with skin color. Most of the time, it is done out of ignorance. Most Argentines do not have the opportunity to travel around the world and experience other people's cultures and backgrounds, therefore only when they travel to the US or other country they fully realized that they are not considered as "White/Europeans" as they always thought they were, but labeled as "Hispanic" with no difference from Mexicans or Peruvians. (not that I personally see a difference really) Ignorance is in no way justification for racism, I am just trying to explain why some Argentines could be considered racists. I agree. It is mostly ignorance. Some are definitely racist. No possibly. I have seen people mimmick monkeys around Black people. Back to top Preciosa Probationary Joined: 26 Dec 2006 {Posts: 9 } Location: Caribbean Posted: Wed 27 Dec 2006 02:04    Post subject: Quote: I have seen people mimmick monkeys around Black people. Argentines? If it is, I think is terrible. There was an incident some time ago of some football players, an Argentine making a racist comment to a Brazilian, totally out of place. Disgusting. I just hope people in general do not put all Argentines in the same bag. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Wed 27 Dec 2006 02:34    Post subject: Preciosa wrote: Quote: I have seen people mimmick monkeys around Black people. Argentines? If it is, I think is terrible. There was an incident some time ago of some football players, an Argentine making a racist comment to a Brazilian, totally out of place. Disgusting. I just hope people in general do not put all Argentines in the same bag. Naw, visited a few places and some wonderful people there. Back to top Preciosa Probationary Joined: 26 Dec 2006 {Posts: 9 } Location: Caribbean Posted: Wed 27 Dec 2006 02:37    Post subject: Quote: Naw, visited a few places and some wonderful people there. What a relief. Sometimes the bad behavior of 1 or 2 give such a bad reputation to the rest. Back to top interesado Regular User Joined: 22 Apr 2006 {Posts: 66 } Posted: Sat 30 Dec 2006 21:39    Post subject: Salsassin wrote: I have seen people mimmick monkeys around Black people. That happens around the world. In mexican soccer is becoming a common thing. This year happend to soccer player Kleber Boas a lot. The Corona Stadium is a very rough venue, where this incidents happen a lot. They are mimicking the European fans clearly Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Sat 30 Dec 2006 22:48    Post subject: interesado wrote: Salsassin wrote: I have seen people mimmick monkeys around Black people. That happens around the world. In mexican soccer is becoming a common thing. This year happend to soccer player Kleber Boas a lot. The Corona Stadium is a very rough venue, where this incidents happen a lot. They are mimicking the European fans clearly Not on the street to a woman though. Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 08 Jan 2007 03:00    Post subject: Racism in Argentina The truth is racism exist in Latin America and Iberia, particularly against foreigners that don't look like locals. Some Nordics, Chineses or Jews have been attacked sporadically, but the ones that have received the worst are Africans. Blacks have been attacked in Spain, Argentina, Mexico, Chile and several other countries because the simple reason they look different, and once in a while you can see those news in the newspapers. That's exist. And it is as true as there are Nazi movements still alive and working in southern South America, where you can buy Hitler's book anywhere. And also, brand new books about nazism. I am from an average Austral South American and I am not blind to the truth. The situation is different in countries like Cuba, Peru or Brazil, and even in Uruguay, where Blacks make important minorities. Omar Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Latin America All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 Page 3 of 3 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group