Secondly, I think you should realize that there is no mulatto elite in America... Where I live there are many mulatto's and, most are in single parent homes and living just like black people are...I think maybe your hunger to establish a mulatto elite blinds you to what is going on...
The ODR has not hurt black people in America... If anything the ODR has created organization within those of African decent and, has enabled them to achieve more than any other group of slaves brought to the new world... As you may already know "black" Americans are the richest blacks in the world... If black America were its own country it would be one of the top 15 countries in the world... Compare this to Brazil where the people of African decent are still living in terrible conditions and abject poverty...
I like how you completely ignored my post and went on a non-related tangent.
Where are the numerous "shades of blackness" in that pic of Katrina victims? Did all the "light-skinned blacks" get tans?
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Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 02:06 Post subject: Blacks
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Let's look at New Orleans for example. Poor black Hurricane Katrina victims looked like this;
Yet the "black" mayor looked like this;
So Serious. Please understand this. You will never understand the issues of the "Blacks" of Latin America if you don't realize they look closer to the "black" mayor of New Orleans rather than to the poors of New Orleans. All the people of Latin America has certain degree of admixture between the different races. Get it, please.
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Question: are you part black??
Does the color of skin changes the way people think? Be serious.
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Secondly, I think you should realize that there is no mulatto elite in America... Where I live there are many mulatto's and, most are in single parent homes and living just like black people are...I think maybe your hunger to establish a mulatto elite blinds you to what is going on...
The point is Afrocentrism don't recognize mulattoes . In any case, the only important thing for Afrocentrism is the Black part of the people. Even if mycroscopic or if is a mistaken identity.
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The ODR has not hurt black people in America... If anything the ODR has created organization within those of African decent and, has enabled them to achieve more than any other group of slaves brought to the new world...
The ODR has prevented Americans to become a single people. A single people. That was the dream of Dr. Martir Luther King. That Black people were considered exactly the same like all the rest. He did not dream of creating and African state in the Americas. If people think that Black genetics is something to be avoided, which is behind the ODR, and mixing never happens, the U.S. will never become a Nation but will continue to be just a collection of ethnic groups.
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As you may already know "black" Americans are the richest blacks in the world...
So, why you rich people complain so much? That's hypocresy then.
And why don't you help Africa? Why don't you rush to do civil services in that continent that need too much?
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If black America were its own country it would be one of the top 15 countries in the world...
In which terms? Nominal dollars? Do you really think a Black unemployed person in a guetto lives better than a professor in China, no matter what the numbers say?
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Compare this to Brazil where the people of African decent are still living in terrible conditions and abject poverty...
Only the Blacks? Don't be so racist. Please repeat with me:
"The poor people in Brazil is living in terrible conditions".
And the poorest of all in Brazil are not Blacks but Indians. Don't you know that?
Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 02:47 Post subject: Re: Brazil Wants to Ban Mulattos and Give Blacks an ID.
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-It solidifies the myth of white purity
How does this conception "ravage" the black community?
In addition, the idea of "whiteness" being predicated on racial purity, exists without the ODR. For example, in colonial Lousiana, there were mixed race buffer groups, but the conception of "white" was still based in the idea of "racial purity", where a person had to be free of any discernable amount of black ancestry to be "white". If sombody with 1/32nd black ancestry is considered colored/mulatto, that "solidifies the myth of white purity", as much as the ODR would.
Yeah, but we're not talking about 200 years ago. We're talking about today. In modern America, Hispanics and Middle Eastern groups are occasionally viewed as "white" despite having obvious African heritage. Also there are Eurasians who are occasionally considered white because of their physical appearance.
Not to say that white is some standard that all minority groups should aspire to, but white isn't the bastion of purity it was considered 200 years ago in "colonial Louisiana". However, ODR reinforces such concepts because it comes from the era when "white" WAS the bastion of racial purity.
How does this "ravage the black community"? It makes "black" the odd man out in the American racial landscape. It further seperates them from the American melting pot, and makes it seem like there's something "wrong" with black heritage.
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-It cloaks racism by propping up "blacks" with larger quantities of white heritage, while true blacks continue to be discriminated against.
"True blacks" (whatever that means), would be discriminated against regardless. Theres no ODR in Latin-America countries, and racism against blacks (which is prevalent) is largely ignored.
Because Latin American countries are largely poor. However the US is a wealthy nation, so such discrimatory slights could be remedied rather easily. The problem is the notion that a "light skin black" is treated the same as an actual black person. Studies have shown that that's not the case. Thus it works against black equality to push the notion that someone who looks like Ray Nagin will be treated the same as someone who looks like one of those black Katrina victims.
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-It furthers the eurocentric model of beauty, since people with eurocentric features can be "black"
Eurocentric standards of beauty would exist regardless, even if such persons with "eurocentric" features were not called black. Evidence of this is in every latin american country with a large mixed population. The absence of a ODR would not lessen the "eurocentric model of beauty".
In the case of blacks, it would. Afrocentrics already push the ideal of African beauty. The problem is that the black mainstream fully embraces ODR and pushes a mixed-race asthetic upon black America. The standard of "black beauty" is Halle Berry and Alicia Keys, not Star Jones and India Ari. If blacks repudiated ODR, they could easily push Afrocentric beauty across black media. Some are already pushing it, but the argument "black comes in all shades" retards that movement's progress.
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-It leads to racial seperation in the name of "black solidarity".
More race categories, leads to more racial seperation.
The emergence of Hispanic and Asian minorities hasn't caused more racial seperation. Nor has the emergence of Hapas as a sizable minority in the Western U.S.
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-It corrupts "black beauty" and skews it towards a eurocentric standard
the eurocentric standard would remain regardless... In other countries there simply is no conception "black beauty", and society (including blacks) just views blacks to be inherently ugly. The abscence of the ODR, would not make people realize "black beauty".
Black nationalism would force the black community to realize black beauty, or make them out to be hypocrites. ODR protects Eurocentric beauty from scrutiny. Like I said earlier, there's already a movement to remove Eurocentric looks from black beauty, but ODR retards that movement.
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-It denigrates black into an ideology, since its not a race, nor a culture
How does the ODR make "black" not a race?? Its just a different conception of race.
Race would imply a physical identifier. There comes a point where someone isn't considered "white" based on apperance. The same applies to all groups. However, since blacks can look like anything via ODR, and can be of any culture, "black" loses its racial cohesiveness and becomes an ideology.
What is a black person? Anyone who believes they are black.
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-It transforms black heritage into a "taint" that must be hidden in order to become a non-black person.
the idea that black ancestry is a "taint" that must be hidden, exist without the ODR....and how does this "ravage" the black community anyway?
Incorrect. Take a Eurasian, they will proudly consider themselves Asian and European. However look at Tiger Woods. As soon as he pushed his non-African heritage, the black media attacked him as a sell-out. I stress the BLACK media because it was only the black media that called the man "confused", "lost", and a "sell-out".
How many mixed race folks with black heritage would proudly proclaim their mixedness now? Not many.
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I dont support "one droppism", and coercing people into "blackness", but I dont agree with the contention that race relations would be so much better without it; its just a different conception of race, not better or worse. Racism is the cause of social ills, not the ODR. Different conceptions of race, manifest the same racism (white supremacy, and non-white inferiority) in different ways.
ODR is racism. The two are not seperate concepts.If you aren't for racism how can you be indifferent towards a spawn of it?
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Additionally I dont think "one droppism", has affected black-american community as much as people imply. Most people who make up the decendents of black americans were not coerced by a "one drop rule", and its creation (in the early 20th century) didnt mean much of anything to most -- save a few small historically free multi-racial identified communities. Racial discrimination "ravaged" the black community, not the ODR.
ODR has caused various psychological affects that continue to ripple through black America to this day. Colorism is still a major problem within the black community, as is belief that the closer you are to "whiteness" the better off you are. 43% of black women aren't married, and more than likely that 43% aren't "lightskinned black women". The mulatto actress Halle Berry wins an academy award, yet its considered a victory for "all black women", even though black women with no white heritage has less of a chance to win such an award, much less get a role.
The ODR is responsible for all of that, and far more....
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Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 03:08 Post subject: Problems in the U.S.?
I have a question.
Has this pathetic problem of race in the U.S. has anything to do with people of Latin America?
Let me explain in other terms. Why it is so easy to project the racial reality from the U.S. to Brazil without even knowing the social dynamics of Brazil?
My personal belief is that lumping all African descended people into one catagory has failed to lead to equality in America, and will fail to lead to equality in Latin America. This sort of tripe divdes people instead of solving the REAL problems that exist in various societies.
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Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 04:02 Post subject: Re: Brazil Wants to Ban Mulattos and Give Blacks an ID.
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Brazil Wants to Ban Mulattos and Give Blacks an ID. They Call This Progress
Written by Janer Cristaldo
Friday, 21 July 2006
A stupidity cloud seems to hover over the Brazilian national Congress these days. Not that it would be easy to find any intelligent cloud over the Congress. But now there's a high concentration of stupidity and the whole country is threatened with a stupidity rain. Two projects, that intend to send Brazil two centuries back are being discussed in Brasília.
One of them, by senator Paulo Paim, already approved in the Senate, wants to send Brazil back to the racist America of the America when Jim Crow laws were in force or perhaps to the Hitlerist Germany or even to the South Africa of apartheid.
To be honest, I have nothing new to say about the matter. Since talks about quotas started I have been denouncing this tactic adopted by the black movements as something that will only serve to stimulate racism. The stupidity keeps moving on with ever increasing audacity.
While before all we talked about were quotas, senator Paim's project now intends to identify Brazilians by race, as it was done to Jews in Nazi Germany. Is the stupidity being repeated? This chronicler feels compelled to repeat himself.
I have already commented on the Statute of Racial Equality, when I denounced recently the extinction of the mulatto. With a stroke of a pen, the senator intends to extirpate from the country's history the most evident proof of the good racial conviviality. The expedient is elementary.
As blacks comprise a mere 5,4 % of the national population, the senator decides to call black the whole mulatto contingent, which represents 39.9% of the population. Give a little time and Brazil will be defined as being for the most part black. By the way, this is how the country is already seen by many Americans and Europeans.
The intention is to adopt the American model, which does not admit miscegenation. It's either black or white. Some intellectuals, able to escape the herd spirit that characterizes the species, presented to the Congress a document with 114 signatures, with arguments opposing the Statute and the reserves required by racial quotas.
Right away the document was satanized as the "White Elite's Manifesto," as if the mean white men were interested in maintaining the black population far away from their territory.
The government, which since then had been insisting on maintaining the academic quotas, felt compelled to back out. Now they are talking about social quotas. If on one hand it disengages the reserve of vacancies from the racial element, on the other it maintains the absurd purpose of sending to the university people who do not fill the basic requisites to enter college, ruining once an for all the academic teaching, which is already extremely deficient.
Paulo Paim put a goat in the room. The government removes the goat but leaves the rest of the animals in the room. That goes without saying that such a project is flagrantly unconstitutional. "All are equal under the law, without distinction of any nature," says article 5th of our Magna Carta. If the new proposal is approved, some will be more equal than others.
Good part of the black population liked the idea of winning with bent rules and they can't even see the trap they are falling into: having entered university through the back door they will be naturally rejected in the labor market.
Anticipating that, the senator has already added to his project a guarantee that the law will assure at least 20% of the positions in show or advertising on TV to Afro-Brazilian actors. The logic next step will be to impose these same quotas to the private sector, ending once and for all any merit criterion left.
The project also includes a mandatory course in high school, General History of Africa and of the Black in Brazil, as if Africa's history and that of blacks were more important for Brazil than Greece's History and of the Greeks, or Portugal and the history of the Portuguese, or Italy and the Italians, America and the Americans.
It would be interesting to imagine the way the new course will deal with the sale of slaves to the European whites by the black tribal chiefs of Africa. Or will it be a forbidden chapter of history, like the slaughter of Polish officers in Katyn forest by Stalin's troops, like the slaughter of 7,000 Spanish members of the clergy by the communist in Spain?
The senator's project still anticipates the creation of a special ID that will identify blacks racially. According to the statute, blacks will be required to carry their black ID card. It's funny to observe that in past decades the black movements had arrived at the conclusion that race doesn't exist.
Now it does exist and must appear in a document. Since whitening is quite generalized in Brazil, perhaps a better solution would be to create a tattoo or another very visible accessory, like Hitler created in Germany for Jews and homosexuals.
If such monstrosity is approved this country where miscegenation has always been the rule will start to officially discriminate by race. We are walking with large steps towards a black Nazism.
If such foolishness weren't enough, another project, this one from House Representative Pastor Amarildo intends to take the country even farther back in time, to Middle Age days, when the guilds controlled with an iron fist the exercise of professions.
Basically, the intention is to smother freedom of expression, regulating journalism, a profession that cannot be regulated.
If thanks to a decree-law passed by a military junta in 1969 only those with a journalism course can be journalists in Brazil, the new project, approved by the Congress in the quiet of the World Cup, intends to regulate even columnists and commentators.
Now, this dictatorial rule does not find a parallel in any democratic regime in the world. Journalist is he who gets his income from the exercise of the journalism profession and that's it.
The pastor's project is in reaction to the rejection of a proposal by Fenaj (National Federation of Journalists) to create a Federal Board of Journalism. That proposal was sent in 2004 to Congress by the Federal Government. Due to the pressure by the journalists and the media owners, however, the attempt to curtail even more freedom of expression in Brazil was withdrawn on that same year.
Again, the quotas. The white guild wants to protect the corporation. While the country was getting thrilled and distracted by the World Cup, the project was approved almost clandestinely in Congress. It now depends only on a veto or an approval by the Supreme Ignoramus, the president. It's amazing that such a rule would appear now in these Internet days, a time in which any citizen can start his blog and do journalism the way he pleases.
The Supreme Ignoramus, as it is known, has no love lost for the press. He might very well adopt such juridical excrescence. Right now when the Web has liberated journalists from the costs of paper, printing and distribution. Blogs represent today high level journalism and they are nimbler than the journalism on paper. The Chinese communists have already realized this and are censoring the Internet.
If he adopts this scourge, the Supreme Ignoramus will be fighting in vain against tomorrow's dawn.
Janer Cristaldo - he holds a Ph.D. from University of Paris, Sorbonne - is an author, translator, lawyer, philosopher and journalist and lives in São Paulo. His e-mail address is janercr@terra.com.brThis email address is being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript enabled to view it .
This is just sickening. I find this to be very scary as well, because it shows that the One drop rule could potentialy become a world wide ideology instead of just an American one. If Afrocentrist and other black militant scum have their way then the One drop rule and the dominant black gene myth both will most definetly be world wide. I think the idea of creating a pan-global black identity has always been the Afrocentrists biggest wet dream. And they see the One drop rule and the dominant black gene myth both as tools for laying the foundation for this global black identity fantasy of theirs.
These two racist ideologies allow blacks to mix with all other ethnic groups but still have the children be raised as black with total disregards to their other half, thereby assuring the continued existance of a black identified racial class. Yes this article is truly frightening indeed, I only hope that the Brazilian mulattoes resist this with everything they've got. I don't care if they have to start a riot in every Brazilian city or even start an all out civil war, they should preserve their own ethnic identity at any cost.
It's pretty sad that while here in the U.S. mulattoes are fighting for the right to have their own seperate identity, the Brazilian mulattoes who have had their own seperate identity for centuries are now endangered of losing it and being forced to accept a black identity.
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Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 04:02 Post subject: Agree!
Hanzou wrote:
My personal belief is that lumping all African descended people into one catagory has failed to lead to equality in America, and will fail to lead to equality in Latin America. This sort of tripe divdes people instead of solving the REAL problems that exist in various societies.
I agree. The real problems are social inequality. States should subsidy the poors according to the income of families. And should give the opportunities for bright and poor people to study free if they don't have the money to do so. But all of this regardless of the color of skin of people.
Now, intermarriage help to defuse racial tensions, and to give people a sense of belonging. We can't expect that solve all the problems at once.
Places where the white element disapeared a lot ago, and the mestizos use their own ODR to justify all their power.
Philipines is a good example where a ODR has hurt all their unmixed population. In every country in the world, filipinos try to find a way of living. But surely they don´t look like the president, or all the politics, the TV Stars, the bussinesmen.
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Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 04:36 Post subject: Re: Brazil Wants to Ban Mulattos and Give Blacks an ID.
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This is just sickening. I find this to be very scary as well, because it shows that the One drop rule could potentialy become a world wide ideology instead of just an American one. If Afrocentrist and other black militant scum have their way then the One drop rule and the dominant black gene myth both will most definetly be world wide. I think the idea of creating a pan-global black identity has always been the Afrocentrists biggest wet dream. And they see the One drop rule and the dominant black gene myth both as tools for laying the foundation for this global black identity fantasy of theirs.
These two racist ideologies allow blacks to mix with all other ethnic groups but still have the children be raised as black with total disregards to their other half, thereby assuring the continued existance of a black identified racial class. Yes this article is truly frightening indeed, I only hope that the Brazilian mulattoes resist this with everything they've got. I don't care if they have to start a riot in every Brazilian city or even start an all out civil war, they should preserve their own ethnic identity at any cost.
Hi Marcus Aurelious,
The problem with the Afrocentric ideology is that crash head on with the Cosmic Race ideology which is the one that predominates in Latin American and Brazil included.
Ethnocentric ideologies have existed in Latin America and has been wipe out because they don't addapt to our mentality. I can mention the Aryan or Eurocentric mythology that say we are basically White with some exceptions that could be forgiven. Although the European genotypes have the largest majority in the genomics of Latin America, people don't buy that at all. After some revolts and lots of deaths, Nazi believes failed and have been rejected by the majorities. People knows we are mixed and that's why those ideas have failed. A second ideology that has failed is Indigenism, which say we are only Indians, and that the rest does not matter. Well, that idea, fueled by communism caused hundred of thousand of deaths in several countries of Latin America, but has passed as well.
Now, in the case of Afrocentrism there are several things against it in Latin America. First, Black people is a minority here. Less than 5% as a whole. Mixed Black and other race people make about 10% more of the population. So, we have a group of people that does not have the demographic weight of both Whites and Indians. However, populations are not evenly distributed in the Americas, so there are countries were they are sizable part of the population. And that's the case of Brazil, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Venezuela, Uruguay, Panama and Peru. In the rest of the countries the Afrocentric movement will hardly have a chance because the Black population don't exist.
So, as a conclusion, the idea that an American ideology will predominate in Latin America is very hard to believe. Mormons have tried, for instance, but not with much success. Because, behind it there is another big problem: people don't trust ideologies comming from the U.S.A.
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It's pretty sad that while here in the U.S. mulattoes are fighting for the right to have their own seperate identity, the Brazilian mulattoes who have had their own seperate identity for centuries are now endangered of losing it and being forced to accept a black identity.
What is worth to mention is that the so-called mulattos, which are the 45% of the population, are three racial people. Considering Cablocos only, they are more than 20 millions and they are not Black but mestizos. So, in Brazil, like anywhere else in Latin America, the only way to live in harmony is realizing we are a multiethnic mixed people, and where the minorities are the pure Whites, Blacks and Indians. Nobody predominates, we are all the same.
See the Racial statistics of Latin America, and observe the regional variations. Also observe that no group predominates anywhere. We are a region of minorities:
Secondly, I think you should realize that there is no mulatto elite in America... Where I live there are many mulatto's and, most are in single parent homes and living just like black people are...I think maybe your hunger to establish a mulatto elite blinds you to what is going on...
The ODR has not hurt black people in America... If anything the ODR has created organization within those of African decent and, has enabled them to achieve more than any other group of slaves brought to the new world... As you may already know "black" Americans are the richest blacks in the world... If black America were its own country it would be one of the top 15 countries in the world... Compare this to Brazil where the people of African decent are still living in terrible conditions and abject poverty...
I like how you completely ignored my post and went on a non-related tangent.
Where are the numerous "shades of blackness" in that pic of Katrina victims? Did all the "light-skinned blacks" get tans?
Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 06:15 Post subject: Brazil's so called Mulattos?
Omar, have you looked at genetic studies of Brazil? Where do you find your evidence that "so called" mulattos of Brazil are really just plain and simple creoles (mixed)? Please produce this evidence.
As far as I am aware, genetic studies on brazil have revealed that most brazilians, regardless of appearance, are actually mulattos. The average genetic admixture is almost 50 / 50 among all phenotypic groups.
Furthermore, your attempt to define Brazil as simply a multiracial hodgepodge is counterfactual. Brazilian ancestry is not nearly as diverse as one would assume, rather it is phenotype that varies sustantially. With regards to appearance, it would be wrong to claim that mulattos are a non existent for maybe 30 % of Brazilians clearly look mulatto. Thus, you have no basis for saying tht Mulattos do not exists in Brazil as a sizeable element if anything, they constitute the largest segement of the Brazilian population.
Brazil is a mulatto country with many faces, where mulatto and mestizo looks are the norm, and white and black looks are less common.
Why don't you admit you're a black supremacist and a One drop rule supporter.
How can I be a black supremacist when I am more white than I am black???
I am just a realist! The ODR was a good thing for Americans of African decent... Maybe right now it can be let go but, it was def. one of the best things that happened....
Imagine if some of the mulattos involved in the civil rights movement had chosen to only embrace their white side like many in Latin America do… It would not only have hurt blacks but it would have hurt mulattos and all Americans…
Why don't you admit you're a black supremacist and a One drop rule supporter.|
Gentlemen, there is no need for name-calling. Please stop it. It looks childish to our visitors.
soserious wrote:
How can I be a black supremacist when I am more white than I am black?
Many if not most U.S. Afrocentrist zealots are genetically more European than African. Their militancy is often the consequence of a fruitless striving for acceptance among darker Blacks in their teen years.
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Imagine if some of the mulattos involved in the civil rights movement had chosen to only embrace their white side like many in Latin America do…
Many if not most of the more well-to-do socially established Black Americans of lighter skin tone did in fact oppose the civil rights movement of 1955-1965. They predicted that integration would cost them their jobs (Black teachers in segregated schools) and their businesses (Black-owned businesses when Blacks were discouraged from patronizing White businesses). They were absolutely correct in their fears. Tens of thousands of Black teachers were laid off and tens of thousands of Black-owned businesses went under as a consequence of the ending of Jim Crow. Today, most young people agree that in the long run it was worth the price. But you can still hear the opposite argument from older folks in Urban League meetings.
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Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 13:30 Post subject: Re: Brazil's so called Mulattos?
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[quote="TheMulattoKid"]Omar, have you looked at genetic studies of Brazil? Where do you find your evidence that "so called" mulattos of Brazil are really just plain and simple creoles (mixed)? Please produce this evidence.
As far as I am aware, genetic studies on brazil have revealed that most brazilians, regardless of appearance, are actually mulattos. The average genetic admixture is almost 50 / 50 among all phenotypic groups.
The evidence is right in YOUR study. Read carefully these paragraphs:
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Several attempts to estimate admixture in the Brazilian population were performed in the past, most of them using autosomal polymorphisms, especially blood groups and electrophoresis protein markers (reviewed in ref. 27). In different geographical regions, estimates of the African contribution to the urban population varied from 4% to 34% and those for Amerindian involvement ranged from 0% to 27% (27). For instance, in the northeast, Salzano (2 calculated for the population as a whole, 51% European, 36% African, and 13% Amerindian ancestries whereas in the north, Santos and Guerreiro (29) obtained 47% European, 12% African, and 41% Amerindian descent, and in the southernmost state of Rio Grande do Sul, Dornelles et al. (30) calculated 82% European, 7% African, and 11% Amerindian ancestries. Krieger et al. (31) studied a population of Brazilian northeastern origin living in São Paulo with blood groups and electrophoretic markers and showed that whites presented 18% of African and 12% of Amerindian genetic contribution and that blacks presented 28% of European and 5% of Amerindian genetic contribution (31). Of course, all of these Amerindian admixture estimates are subject to the caveat mentioned in the previous paragraph. At any rate, compared with these previous studies, our estimates showed higher levels of bidirectional admixture between Africans and non-Africans.
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Furthermore, your attempt to define Brazil as simply a multiracial hodgepodge is counterfactual. Brazilian ancestry is not nearly as diverse as one would assume, rather it is phenotype that varies sustantially. With regards to appearance, it would be wrong to claim that mulattos are a non existent for maybe 30 % of Brazilians clearly look mulatto. Thus, you have no basis for saying tht Mulattos do not exists in Brazil as a sizeable element if anything, they constitute the largest segement of the Brazilian population.
That's false. What you call a Mulatto population is not bi-racial but tri-racial. Genetics show.
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Brazil is a mulatto country with many faces, where mulatto and mestizo looks are the norm, and white and black looks are less common.
In that I agree, but you must realize that mulattoes and mestizos are the same thing in Brazil. Unlike some countries in the Caribbean, like Haiti, where the Indian presence is almost nill and where mulattoes are White and Black mixtures, and unlike mestizo nations where the mixture is Amerindia European only (like Bolivia), in Brazil you see the three mixtures together with different degrees of admixtures depending on the region.
So Brazilians mixed peoples are not mulattoes in the sense that Cubans are. Brazilians are a tri-racial group. Brazil can be divided in four areas. In the NorthEast Blacks and Mulattoes predominate, In the North Native and Mestizos predominate, Whites predominate in the South and Indians and Cablocos in the Amazon. But all those groups have admixtures of the three races.
The Amerindian component is important in Brazil because of historical reasons. Every white and black in Brazil claim Amerindian ancestry, too. That only 300.000 natives are recognized as shuch in Brazil does not mean that Brazil is not Amerindian. Brazil is White, Black, Asian and Amerindian.
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Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 14:41 Post subject: Afrocentrism
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How can I be a black supremacist when I am more white than I am black???
You can! This is the founder of the afrocentric studies: W.E.B. DuBois:
Look at one of the leaders of the Afrocentric ideology, Van sertima:
And the owner of the Ta-Seti Afrocentist group
Paul Kekai Manansala (he is Asian):
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Imagine if some of the mulattos involved in the civil rights movement had chosen to only embrace their white side like many in Latin America do… It would not only have hurt blacks but it would have hurt mulattos and all Americans…
Why should a Latin American mulatto start a civil right movement when he was not discriminated in the first place? When a man has a white wife, and an indian uncle, grew and lives in neighbourhoods with people of all colors, has friends, co-workers and fellow-students, girlfriends, teachers of all the rainbow, people just don't see the differences in color. Somebody has to teach racism to them to awake.
Why don't you admit you're a black supremacist and a One drop rule supporter.|
Gentlemen, there is no need for name-calling. Please stop it. It looks childish to our visitors.
soserious wrote:
How can I be a black supremacist when I am more white than I am black?
Many if not most U.S. Afrocentrist zealots are genetically more European than African. Their militancy is often the consequence of a fruitless striving for acceptance among darker Blacks in their teen years.
soserious wrote:
Imagine if some of the mulattos involved in the civil rights movement had chosen to only embrace their white side like many in Latin America do…
Many if not most of the more well-to-do socially established Black Americans of lighter skin tone did in fact oppose the civil rights movement of 1955-1965. They predicted that integration would cost them their jobs (Black teachers in segregated schools) and their businesses (Black-owned businesses when Blacks were discouraged from patronizing White businesses). They were absolutely correct in their fears. Tens of thousands of Black teachers were laid off and tens of thousands of Black-owned businesses went under as a consequence of the ending of Jim Crow. Today, most young people agree that in the long run it was worth the price. But you can still hear the opposite argument from older folks in Urban League meetings.
do you have any proof for this??? this is suppose to be academic right??? I got banned for 7 days for not providing sources!!! do you have any sources???
Posted: Sun 23 Jul 2006 15:23 Post subject: Re: Afrocentrism
oevega wrote:
soserious wrote:
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How can I be a black supremacist when I am more white than I am black???
You can! This is the founder of the afrocentric studies: W.E.B. DuBois:
Look at one of the leaders of the Afrocentric ideology, Van sertima:
And the owner of the Ta-Seti Afrocentist group
Paul Kekai Manansala (he is Asian):
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Imagine if some of the mulattos involved in the civil rights movement had chosen to only embrace their white side like many in Latin America do… It would not only have hurt blacks but it would have hurt mulattos and all Americans…
Why should a Latin American mulatto start a civil right movement when he was not discriminated in the first place? When a man has a white wife, and an indian uncle, grew and lives in neighbourhoods with people of all colors, has friends, co-workers and fellow-students, girlfriends, teachers of all the rainbow, people just don't see the differences in color. Somebody has to teach racism to them to awake.
Omar
I don't know why you call it afrocentric studies?? If you call that afrocentric then everything in our books are eurocentric!
I think that Omar has alredy answered this with photos. I would only add a photo of Malcolm X.
Indeed, from Marin Delany to today it is had to think of any Afrocenstrist zealot who was influential in the U.S. and who was not more European than African in appearance except Marcus Garvey.
I think that Omar has alredy answered this with photos. I would only add a photo of Malcolm X.
Indeed, from Marin Delany to today it is had to think of any Afrocenstrist zealot who was influential in the U.S. and who was not more European than African in appearance except Marcus Garvey.
And Malcom X who was 75 percent+ black!
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