The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' Why not call mulattos and quadroons mixed instead of black o Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Racial Identity and The Multiracial Experience Author Message Famu Mentor Joined: 27 Sep 2007 {Posts: 282 } Posted: Fri 18 Jan 2008 02:49    Post subject: Quote: The faux-concept of "the light-skinned black person" is COMPLETELY anti-scientific, anti-historical...and, ultimately, anti-human. I can never understand this sentiment. It spits in the face of self-classification and cultures that go beyond the color of one's skin. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Fri 18 Jan 2008 11:47    Post subject: Re: Why not call mulattos and quadroons mixed instead of black o lsgh wrote: sicilianpride wrote: or white? That seems to be a better solution... At this point, I would have to agree. IMO, the success of Black Power literally DESTROYED a TRUE black-mulatto allegiance (and rightfully so) for that is what the Black Power movement was essentially about - liberating and empowering BLACKS!!! The faux-concept of "the light-skinned black person" is COMPLETELY anti-scientific, anti-historical...and, ultimately, anti-human. No, not when by personal choice, not imposition. And wasn't this determined to violate the rules a while ago? Back to top anonymouse Wizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 {Posts: 677 } Posted: Fri 18 Jan 2008 12:26    Post subject: Re: Why not call mulattos and quadroons mixed instead of bla lsgh wrote: The faux-concept of "the light-skinned black person" is COMPLETELY anti-scientific, anti-historical...and, ultimately, anti-human. Since "black people" are actually various shades of brown where is the "black demarcation line" on the brown colour chart? Isn't calling a brown person "black" also anti-scientific and ultimately anti-human? If so where is your outrage? I am not sure but I do not recall an instance where you spoke up against labeling Africans, African Americans, Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Brazilians, etc. as "black". Curious. Side note: When I was young I remember asking my mother, "Why do they call us black people when our skin is brown?" Her answer: "Every child asks that question". I do not recall if she ever answered me. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Fri 18 Jan 2008 13:24    Post subject: Re: Why not call mulattos and quadroons mixed instead of bla anonymouse wrote: Side note: When I was young I remember asking my mother, "Why do they call us black people when our skin is brown?" Her answer: "Every child asks that question". I do not recall if she ever answered me. Answer: Hyperbole Back to top zandie Suspended Joined: 19 Oct 2007 {Posts: 35 } Posted: Fri 18 Jan 2008 15:13    Post subject: hi white people said there were black so people had no choice but to say thire were black.people were brainwash in to calling there mixed race children in to thinking they were black and these children grandchildren contended this think till this day. Back to top sagascend Moderator-at-Large Joined: 17 Jun 2006 {Posts: 2418 } Posted: Fri 18 Jan 2008 15:44    Post subject: Re: Why not call mulattos and quadroons mixed instead of bla anonymouse wrote: lsgh wrote: The faux-concept of "the light-skinned black person" is COMPLETELY anti-scientific, anti-historical...and, ultimately, anti-human. Since "black people" are actually various shades of brown where is the "black demarcation line" on the brown colour chart? Isn't calling a brown person "black" also anti-scientific and ultimately anti-human? If so where is your outrage? I am not sure but I do not recall an instance where you spoke up against labeling Africans, African Americans, Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Brazilians, etc. as "black". Curious. Side note: When I was young I remember asking my mother, "Why do they call us black people when our skin is brown?" Her answer: "Every child asks that question". I do not recall if she ever answered me. Some idiot at my daughter's school told her she was "black" which totally confused her since her skin is clearly brown. I am not teaching my child to designate herself racially so I emphasize to her that we are brown people. You'd think that you wouldn't have to go out of your way to emphasize such a blatantly obvious fact. I'm sure the next hurdle to cross will be some racialist Mixed (capitalized to signify political identity) person telling her "you're not Brown, you're Black!" What they'd really mean is that her brown tone does not fall within the acceptable ranges of Mixed phenotypes. Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 5380 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Fri 18 Jan 2008 19:16    Post subject: Re: Why not call mulattos and quadroons mixed instead of bla sagascend wrote: Some idiot at my daughter's school told her she was "black" which totally confused her since her skin is clearly brown.... I am filled with dread when I think of our latest grandkids going to school. They are a year apart. The older is light brown with visible SSA features. The younger (pink, blonde, blue-eyed) looks like a poster child for Scandinavia. Shudder. Back to top Antoinette New User Joined: 24 Jan 2008 {Posts: 27 } Posted: Sat 26 Jan 2008 19:20    Post subject: Why not call mulattos and quadroons mixed instead of black I think that what is most important is that people realize that no one has the power to tell you who you are. There will always be people out there who will see you and and make decisions about who you are, that is just their opinion. Ultimately its your choice to accept it or not. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Tue 05 Feb 2008 19:34    Post subject: The interesting thing about topics like this that question the ODR and seek to put mulattoes in a different 'racial & ethnic catagory' ie a new people Is they fall in the trap of not acknowledging the child of a mulatto a black person. If the mulatto is a 'different race' then the product of a mulatto & black is too? terms used in the past show that they were identified as mixed just like the quadroon. terms such as Sambo - Marabou - Griffe Back to top sagascend Moderator-at-Large Joined: 17 Jun 2006 {Posts: 2418 } Posted: Tue 05 Feb 2008 19:47    Post subject: gemini072 wrote: The interesting thing about topics like this that question the ODR and seek to put mulattoes in a different 'racial & ethnic catagory' ie a new people Is they fall in the trap of not acknowledging the child of a mulatto a black person. If the mulatto is a 'different race' then the product of a mulatto & black is too? terms used in the past show that they were identified as mixed just like the quadroon. terms such as Sambo - Marabou - Griffe I usually point out exactly the same thing Ty. It's a slippery slope. Either we are each our own "race" or there is one "race." Everything in between is arbitrary. Mathematically (and please don't ask me to figure this out because my head would explode) how many categories would be generated for every possible admixture combo if there are 4 categories? Native American European/North African/Central Asian East Asian Sub Saharan African Ultimately it would be cool to determine how many "real races" there are for everyone who needs to have these racial categories using our current categories. For example: How many people would have the "race" of 1% NA 20% ENC 19% EA and 60% SSA? Back to top OTHER Moderator-at-Large Joined: 14 Sep 2007 {Posts: 958 } Location: Florida Posted: Tue 05 Feb 2008 22:33    Post subject: sagascend wrote: gemini072 wrote: The interesting thing about topics like this that question the ODR and seek to put mulattoes in a different 'racial & ethnic catagory' ie a new people Is they fall in the trap of not acknowledging the child of a mulatto a black person. If the mulatto is a 'different race' then the product of a mulatto & black is too? terms used in the past show that they were identified as mixed just like the quadroon. terms such as Sambo - Marabou - Griffe I usually point out exactly the same thing Ty. It's a slippery slope. Either we are each our own "race" or there is one "race." Everything in between is arbitrary. I vote for "there is one race"! Even though I have always identified as mixed/black&white/mulatto, I have NEVER identified as biracial. In fact, I have felt myself cringing inside when others referred to me as such. I am NOT half human and half something else. sagascend wrote: Mathematically (and please don't ask me to figure this out because my head would explode) how many categories would be generated for every possible admixture combo if there are 4 categories? Native American European/North African/Central Asian East Asian Sub Saharan African Ultimately it would be cool to determine how many "real races" there are for everyone who needs to have these racial categories using our current categories. For example: How many people would have the "race" of 1% NA 20% ENC 19% EA and 60% SSA? This is exactly why I find it ridiculous when some race-mongers (did I just make up a word?) insist that we all "stick to our own kind"! Dude, this would mean that my only marital option would be my sister and, well, that is just NOT COOL on so many different levels!!! Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2008 02:40    Post subject: This is exactly why I find it ridiculous when some race-mongers (did I just make up a word?) insist that we all "stick to our own kind"! Dude, this would mean that my only marital option would be my sister and, well, that is just NOT COOL on so many different levels!!! You are stupid(funny) lol that made me choke Back to top OTHER Moderator-at-Large Joined: 14 Sep 2007 {Posts: 958 } Location: Florida Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2008 12:27    Post subject: gemini072 wrote: This is exactly why I find it ridiculous when some race-mongers (did I just make up a word?) insist that we all "stick to our own kind"! Dude, this would mean that my only marital option would be my sister and, well, that is just NOT COOL on so many different levels!!! You are stupid(funny) lol that made me choke Thank you! I made a joke and you called me "stupid". Since I am from New Jersey, I take that to mean we are officially friends. Sorry I made you choke, buddy! Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Wed 06 Feb 2008 13:54    Post subject: OTHER wrote: gemini072 wrote: This is exactly why I find it ridiculous when some race-mongers (did I just make up a word?) insist that we all "stick to our own kind"! Dude, this would mean that my only marital option would be my sister and, well, that is just NOT COOL on so many different levels!!! You are stupid(funny) lol that made me choke Thank you! I made a joke and you called me "stupid". Since I am from New Jersey, I take that to mean we are officially friends. Sorry I made you choke, buddy! It reminded me of something my aunt said, we were at a reception and she said to to the family "I don't see anything(women) in here good enough for my nephews except for my neices and we don't do that" Back to top OTHER Moderator-at-Large Joined: 14 Sep 2007 {Posts: 958 } Location: Florida Posted: Thu 07 Feb 2008 13:25    Post subject: gemini072 wrote: OTHER wrote: gemini072 wrote: This is exactly why I find it ridiculous when some race-mongers (did I just make up a word?) insist that we all "stick to our own kind"! Dude, this would mean that my only marital option would be my sister and, well, that is just NOT COOL on so many different levels!!! You are stupid(funny) lol that made me choke Thank you! I made a joke and you called me "stupid". Since I am from New Jersey, I take that to mean we are officially friends. Sorry I made you choke, buddy! It reminded me of something my aunt said, we were at a reception and she said to to the family "I don't see anything(women) in here good enough for my nephews except for my neices and we don't do that" Mm-hmm, you see! That's where inbreeding starts! That takes "stick to your own kind" to the ultimate level. Good thing your aunt didn't want to "go there". It sometimes causes problems after a couple of generations! Back to top Melani23 Superuser Joined: 30 Aug 2005 {Posts: 1193 } Location: USA Posted: Thu 07 Feb 2008 16:07    Post subject: This is why I advocate for DNA testing for all Americans. When asked race, we should all be American. Just like on everybody's passport. But I guess special interest groups, race-baiters and politicos would all balk. OT, personally, I am very offended by all the news coverage of the 'White voters', 'Latino vote', 'Black vote', etc. American should be its own race/nationality/ethnicity. For people who want more than this one ethnicity category, they would have to PROVE they are a certain race via DNA testing. Let scientists set the range, probably around ~ 50%-75%-85%+ of one race, to be able to supplement your 'American' ethnicity. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Racial Identity and The Multiracial Experience All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4 Page 4 of 4 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group