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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 18:40 Post subject: |
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| Furthermore, I will await your evidence that Juan Beltran did not receive an Encomienda from the Governor Martin Garcia de Loyola in the name of the King. |
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oevega SuperMentor

Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile
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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 18:45 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: | | Furthermore, I will await your evidence that Juan Beltran did not receive an Encomienda from the Governor Martin Garcia de Loyola in the name of the King. |
Yeah. Juan Beltran was a very good fellow of the king. They party together.
Omar |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 18:50 Post subject: |
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| oevega wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: | | Furthermore, I will await your evidence that Juan Beltran did not receive an Encomienda from the Governor Martin Garcia de Loyola in the name of the King. |
Yeah. Juan Beltran was a very good fellow of the king. They party together.
Omar |
Yeah along with Pizarro. |
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oevega SuperMentor

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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 19:52 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: | | oevega wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: | | Furthermore, I will await your evidence that Juan Beltran did not receive an Encomienda from the Governor Martin Garcia de Loyola in the name of the King. |
Yeah. Juan Beltran was a very good fellow of the king. They party together.
Omar |
Yeah along with Pizarro. |
Yeah, Pizarro worked for Beltran  |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 19:53 Post subject: |
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| oevega wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: | | oevega wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: | | Furthermore, I will await your evidence that Juan Beltran did not receive an Encomienda from the Governor Martin Garcia de Loyola in the name of the King. |
Yeah. Juan Beltran was a very good fellow of the king. They party together.
Omar |
Yeah along with Pizarro. |
Yeah, Pizarro worked for Beltran  |
Neither, nor. Still a strawman as neither wrote to the King. |
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oevega SuperMentor

Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile
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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 20:04 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: | | oevega wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: | | oevega wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: | | Furthermore, I will await your evidence that Juan Beltran did not receive an Encomienda from the Governor Martin Garcia de Loyola in the name of the King. |
Yeah. Juan Beltran was a very good fellow of the king. They party together.
Omar |
Yeah along with Pizarro. |
Yeah, Pizarro worked for Beltran  |
Neither, nor. Still a strawman as neither wrote to the King. |
Well, Pizarro send pictures and signed with an "X"  |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 21:04 Post subject: |
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Well, Pizarro send pictures and signed with an "X"  |
Evidence he mailed the crown directly. |
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oevega SuperMentor

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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 21:17 Post subject: Writings |
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No need for that. He pact directly with the crown. And he received the title of "adelantado". Didn't I told you?
Omar
Return to Spain; interview with Charles V, the Holy Roman Emperor (Capitulación de Toledo, 1529)
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and King of Aragon and Castile.When the new governor of Panama, Pedro de los Ríos, had refused to allow for a third expedition to the south, the associates resolved for Pizarro to leave for Spain and appeal to the sovereign in person. Pizarro sailed from Panama for Spain in the spring of 1528, reaching Seville in early summer. King Charles V, who was at Toledo, had an interview with Pizarro and heard of his expeditions in South America, a territory the conquistador described as very rich in gold and silver which he and his followers had bravely explored "to extend the empire of Castile." The King, who was soon to leave for Italy, was impressed at the accounts of Pizarro and promised to give his support for the conquest of Peru. It would be Queen Isabel, however, who, in the absence of the King, would sign the famous Capitulación de Toledo, a document which authorized Francisco Pizarro to proceed with the conquest of Peru. Pizarro was officially named the Governor, Captain General, and the "Adelantado" of the New Castile for the distance of 200 leagues along the newly discovered coast, and invested with all the authority and prerogatives of a viceroy, his associates being left in wholly secondary positions (a fact which later incensed Almagro and would lead to eventual discords with Pizarro). One of the conditions of the grant was that within six months Pizarro should raise a sufficiently equipped force of two hundred and fifty men, of whom one hundred might be drawn from the colonies. |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Thu 08 Feb 2007 22:31 Post subject: |
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| I am well aware of his appointment. But you said he corresponded. So I will await for the evidence of that. And if he already had a title of Conquistador, why the title of adelantado? |
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oevega SuperMentor

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Posted: Fri 09 Feb 2007 02:49 Post subject: Adelantado |
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That's a key point,
All Adelantados were Conquistadors....
But not all Conquistadors were Adelantados.
And there was not Africans that had that title. That's the difference.
This is a curiosity. The signature of Pizarro. As you know he was analphabet, but he knew how to sign. He probably dictated his letters
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Fri 09 Feb 2007 03:12 Post subject: Re: Adelantado |
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| oevega wrote: | That's a key point,
All Adelantados were Conquistadors....
But not all Conquistadors were Adelantados.
And there was not Africans that had that title. That's the difference.
This is a curiosity. The signature of Pizarro. As you know he was analphabet, but he knew how to sign. He probably dictated his letters
Pinguin |
The honorary title yes, the professional title no. And you still haven't shown he corresponded with the King before being Governor. |
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pepinno New User

Joined: 20 Jul 2009 {Posts: 19 } Location: Spain
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| Salsassin wrote: | | Exactly. And to take it to a farther extreme, we only have accounts of the great Egyptian Pharaohs and some important priests, but rarely of the common folk, so are we to not consider them Egyptian? |
A "conquistador" is a militar commander who grabs land like a feudal lord at war, and then impossed his mores and religion and culture and language on his new serfs.
An infrantry soldier is not a "conquistador", although he could rise through the ranks as those above him died or sent him to lead dangerous missions for which he would be rewarded with a higher rank, and therefore a "conquistador" status.
And this is it. |
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