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gemini072
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| Furienna wrote: | Of course I'm for real. What do you think I am? A spambot? You're clearly one of those people, who think they know everything about Michael, when they really don't know anything about him than the lies they've read in some tabloids.
lol I am still a fan of the man, always have been. But that doesn't mean those are his kids. He wants to be white.
However, I have spent half my life finding the truth about Michael.
That's is a lot of time spent.
And it's terrible for me to find people being so ignorant. How can you say he has a problem with his blackness? He has a skin disorder. But of course, who cares if that's been known for fifteen years! it's more fun to say he hates being black, and that he hates everybody else, who's black.
the skin disorder is only on parts of his body you can't see. His whole face was redone to look like Elizabeth Taylor & Diana Ross.
That way you can go on talking bullshit about him. And who cares about the fact, that he's not a pure African, but an American with mixed origins, and that he sure can get whitish children? It's so much more fun to assume they're not his, so you can talk even more bullshit about him. He's a human being too! Leave the man alone! Leave his children alone! If you don't like him, don't care about him! Just let us fans talk about him, please! And by the way, on the first of your pictures, his lips don't look so big.
I thought I said full lips (not big lips) he has no lips now
And the two later pictures are just convenient finds for you, aren't they? They don't look that big at other pictures. And also, if you think that even that was big lips, you haven't seen Michael's brother Marlon. And my sister has bigger lips than me. That doesn't mean she's black, but we're both Swedish with no foreign background. But it sure shows, that you can be closely related and still have different sizes on your lips. |
No one on my dads side of the family has lips big or full, their father is 1/2 Native American. So I know about admixture on both sides of my family. I don't care about Michaels mixture, he still looks nothing like his natural person.
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Mon 09 Jul 2007 20:05 Post subject: |
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| Furienna wrote: | | Yeah, but Michael wouldn't settle for fine. He wanted perfect. He obviously started his surgeries before he started any vitiligo treatment though. |
And in his view perfect was not Black looking. |
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Furienna
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| Posted: Mon 09 Jul 2007 20:09 Post subject: |
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Pictures of a middle-aged Michael with dark spots on light skin. Check out his arms at the first picture and his hands at the second picture.
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Furienna
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| Posted: Mon 09 Jul 2007 20:13 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: |
And in his view perfect was not Black looking. |
Oh, you just loved to say that, didn't you? He just thought he was ugly. It had nothing to with whether or not he looked black or not. He probably doesn't think he looks good now either. |
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G-Man
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| Posted: Tue 10 Jul 2007 14:13 Post subject: |
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| Furienna wrote: | | He probably started a treatment in the 80s, which might be considered bleeching. But the point is, Michael doesn't have a problem with his blackness, he has a skin disease. |
mmm..Looking at the pictures of MJ with his arms exposed, he does appear to have brown splotches. It's possible he has vitiligo and received treatments to change his skin coloring. Others with the condition have done the same. However, the multiple plastic surgeries are a sign he has problems with how he looks. Maybe he has issues with his blackness (read African features) or maybe he has problems with looking like his father, a man he allegedly despises, but he definitely is unhappy with his appearance. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Tue 10 Jul 2007 15:01 Post subject: |
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| Furienna wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: |
And in his view perfect was not Black looking. |
Oh, you just loved to say that, didn't you? He just thought he was ugly. It had nothing to with whether or not he looked black or not. He probably doesn't think he looks good now either. |
And what about his features made him feel ugly? What features did he modify and towards what features did he go? |
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Furienna
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| Posted: Tue 10 Jul 2007 19:22 Post subject: |
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| Again, he didn't hate his looks because they made him look black. If he just wanted to look white, he would be happy with his looks now, and he isn't. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Tue 10 Jul 2007 20:22 Post subject: |
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| Furienna wrote: | | Again, he didn't hate his looks because they made him look black. If he just wanted to look white, he would be happy with his looks now, and he isn't. |
He doesn't look white. He looks like an Elf with a shrinking nose. |
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Furienna
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| Posted: Tue 10 Jul 2007 20:35 Post subject: |
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| Eeeeeh... He still doesn't think he looks good though. |
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Salsassin
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| Furienna wrote: | | Eeeeeh... He still doesn't think he looks good though. |
I should hope not. He done focked up. |
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pianoplayer111
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Furienna, I don't wish to offend you...however, you seem to be bent on proving that these are MJ's biological children. When clearly they are not. And most other people here seem to agree that this is highly unlikely. I'm a devoted fan of MJ myself. I love his music and I've always thought of him as a talented, sensitive individual. I do feel that he has been misunderstood because of certain actions. That doesn't mean, however, that he could have fathered those children.
If you want to present proof as to how he could be the father, then feel free to do so. Be objective and logical about this instead of defending him because you're a fan. I'm a fan of his, too, but I still say that he is not the father. I don't care how white Debbie Rowe is...those children are not biologically his. |
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Furienna
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| Posted: Wed 18 Jul 2007 07:08 Post subject: |
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| So what proof do you have, that they're not his? Unless you take an DNA test on the children and Michael, and they come back negative, you can't prove they're not his. Several black people have white-looking children! It's even much more likely for a black couple to have a white child than for a white couple to have a black child. So "They look white." doesn't suffice as evidence, that they're not his children. How about the people, who someone posted an article about in the first page in this thread? They were black people, who had "white" children. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Wed 18 Jul 2007 08:07 Post subject: |
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| Statistics. Try using it. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Wed 18 Jul 2007 13:45 Post subject: |
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[quote="zsana"]Salsassin wrote:
| Quote: | Yes there are rare cases when a European looking child comes from a Obviously Afrodescent person. But not for two consecutive kids. The probability just doesn't match up.
And Jacko is no Eartha Kitt or Victoria Rowell. |
Exactly.
Even though Eartha and Victoria would be considered and perceived as being black by most Americans - especially since they are both Anglos and not Hispanic - they are both half white unlike Michael. That increases the likelihood of having a completely Nordic looking biracial child.
Michaels looks aren't like Eartha's & Victoria but I think they have similar facial features, Now Michaels sisters are all much lighter especially Latoya Jackson, the mother Katherine is similar in looks with Earth & Victoria. Eartha's daughter Katt nor her granddaughter are natural blonds though.
I'm not saying Michael isn't from a mixed background. Millions of white Americans have detectable African genetic markers. Countless numbers of Black Americans have measurable European ancestry. I'm just saying (and I think Salsassin is hinting at this too) I believe Michael's white ancestry is too distant - or perhaps I should say in percentages too low - to produce two utterly white appearanced biracial children in a row.
I don't think it's about how far or distant his European ancestry is as much as I just don't believe those are his children.
Michael did say in that interview he had with the Indian guy that one of the kids mother is a fair skinned African-American woman. Does he have more than those 2 kids?
For instance consider Boris Becker's fling Angela Ermakova and their daughter Anna.
http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=319941
http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=314904
uh oh look at those dark ears though  just kidding, her coloring and hair looks sickly. I don't mean that in as a put down either.
Many would say Angela is a very typical looking Black woman that one would assume would have two black identified parents. However when one looks at her child, the evidence of her biracial genetics is obvious.
I would say that if she looks typical it's because there are many other Black women who look like her. But admixture is very visible and evident. She has similar looks like biracial actress Sophie Okonedo who is 1/2 Jewish 1/2 Nigerian.
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gemini072
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| Posted: Wed 18 Jul 2007 13:56 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: | | Furienna wrote: | | Again, he didn't hate his looks because they made him look black. If he just wanted to look white, he would be happy with his looks now, and he isn't. |
He doesn't look white. He looks like an Elf with a shrinking nose. |
Michael Jackson of Never Never Land the Boy that Never grew up a fan of Peter Pan
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pianoplayer111
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I'm not interested in proving anything to anyone. You, on the other hand, seem to be. I simply stated my opinion.
As it has been stated here by other people, black people can have children with a European phenotype. It is possible...esp. if the black parent has fairly recent European ancestry or is actually biracial. Victoria Rowell was cited as one person with a daughter that looks Nordic. Rowell herself is biracial and so is her daughter. Because Rowell herself had a white mother and Maya's father is white, Maya turned out looking the way she does. However, what most people seem to be saying is that while it is not IMPOSSIBLE, it is very unlikely that MJ is the father of the children. On a forum of mostly biracial/multiracial people, I feel it is safe to say that folks here are familiar with diverse phenotypes.
I know "black" people with light-skinned children but the children still resembled one or both parents, despite differences in skin color. I see no resemblance here. That is not an unkind comment about Michael or the kids because I don't know them personally. All I'm saying is that my vision works well enough to tell me that those aren't his biological children. |
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pianoplayer111
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That image of Peter Pan is adorable, Ty!  |
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zsana
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Gemini wrote:
| Quote: | | I would say that if she looks typical it's because there are many other Black women who look like her. |
Right Ty. That's what I was getting at.
| Quote: | | But admixture is very visible and evident. She has similar looks like biracial actress Sophie Okonedo who is 1/2 Jewish 1/2 Nigerian. |
Now I was really shocked about Sophie. Honestly, her admixture is not visible to me. However I know you see it. But than again I'm just judging from that photo. I've not seen her in real life. Plus, probably if I were Nigerian her admixture would jump out at me immediately.
We often perceive others (and make comparisons) based on those in our immediate surroundings. Those we're surrounded by become the "litmus test".
I think everyone has their own personal measuring stick when it comes to perceiving admixture in others. Now I would completely assume she was maybe 1/4th white, just not half. Because anyone on the planet can be 1/4th of a different ancestry based on looks. 1/4th can be undetectable to the naked eye. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 17:25 Post subject: |
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| zsana wrote: | Gemini wrote:
| Quote: | | I would say that if she looks typical it's because there are many other Black women who look like her. |
Right Ty. That's what I was getting at.
I know, that's why that picture was so interesting, I didn't realize she was biracial until I looked her up.
| Quote: | | But admixture is very visible and evident. She has similar looks like biracial actress Sophie Okonedo who is 1/2 Jewish 1/2 Nigerian. |
Now I was really shocked about Sophie. Honestly, her admixture is not visible to me. However I know you see it. But than again I'm just judging from that photo. I've not seen her in real life. Plus, probably if I were Nigerian her admixture would jump out at me immediately.
Check out Hotel Rwanda, great movie she was a costar. Her being biracial wasn't evident to me, but I would assume she was 'mixed'
We often perceive others (and make comparisons) based on those in our immediate surroundings. Those we're surrounded by become the "litmus test".
I think everyone has their own personal measuring stick when it comes to perceiving admixture in others. Now I would completely assume she was maybe 1/4th white, just not half. Because anyone on the planet can be 1/4th of a different ancestry based on looks. 1/4th can be undetectable to the naked eye. |
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Furienna
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| Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 17:39 Post subject: |
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| I still think you should give him the benefit of doubt. And Michael's white ancestry seems to be close enough for it to be possible, even if it's not "likely". |
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