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Salsassin Suspended

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 17:59 Post subject: |
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| More like highly unlikely |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 18:58 Post subject: |
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| Not necessarily. The black father, who was accused of having kidnapped his white-looking son, probably didn't have a white parent either. There's always a grey zone in "statistics". |
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Salsassin Suspended

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:14 Post subject: |
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| Furienna wrote: | | Not necessarily. The black father, who was accused of having kidnapped his white-looking son, probably didn't have a white parent either. There's always a grey zone in "statistics". |
One son. Not two. Statistical chances of repetition are very very unlikely. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:14 Post subject: |
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I don't know. It is fine to give somebody the benefit of the doubt. I do like Michael and I'm not basing my comments on his lifestyle or anything that's been said about him. However, I'm looking at this from a logical perspective. He was brown-skinned with black features and hair in his youth. No one in his immediate family looks white or mixed, IMO. His parents might have some non-black ancestry as many black people do...but it isn't that obvious. It doesn't add up.  |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:18 Post subject: |
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| I think it's possible, that Michael got even more white genes than his siblings. Thus, he could get white-looking children with a white woman. And there was also a picture of one of Michael's nieces or nephews, who looked white. |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:24 Post subject: |
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Look at the kids in the grandparents laps. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:24 Post subject: |
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| Hmm...Jaime, I don't know much about statistics but I kind of see your point. I'm not looking at color here...like you, I don't see a resemblance. Not even a subtle hint of Michael in the children. |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:26 Post subject: |
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| I see resemblance. Especially in some pictures. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:28 Post subject: |
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| The baby on Katherine's lap is very fair, but that still doesn't mean anything. Whose little one is that? How is it that Michael happened to get more "white genes" than his other siblings? |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 19:47 Post subject: |
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| pianoplayer111 wrote: | | The baby on Katherine's lap is very fair, but that still doesn't mean anything. Whose little one is that? |
It's obviously one of her grandchildren.
| Quote: | | How is it that Michael happened to get more "white genes" than his other siblings? |
It's just a theory. But it would make sense. |
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Salsassin Suspended

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 20:19 Post subject: |
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LOL. Furienna needs to take a course in statistics and then on Mendelian genetics.
Here is Frank discussing a similar subject, on just skin color.
| fwsweet wrote: | Great story! Great photo! Thank you, Gordon.
I am not sure that the probability computations are correct, however.
Assume that skin tone is governed by four genes (the actual number is at least three and unlikely to be more than six). This means each individual has eight co-dominant skin-tone haplotypes (four from each parent). Assume that each of the parents in the story is precisely 50-50 Afro-European, as they claim. This means that each parent has 4 of the eight alleles encoding for European skin tone and the other four encoding for African skin tone. When meiosis forms gametes, the probability that any given sperm or egg cell will have three European alleles is 0.125 (0.5^3). The probability that two such unlikely gametes (one from each parent) would combine to form a child with six European and only two African alleles, thus producing European skin tone, is 0.016 (0. 125 x 0.125) or about one child in 64. The chances of having a completely African-looking child are the same one in 64. So, the chances of 50-50 parents having two such unusual children are one in 4,000 (0.016 x 0.016). This is unusual, but it is far more common than the "one in a million" figure erroneously given above.
I think the error is due to the author's also including the 1/100 probability of even having fraternal twins. This seems unwarranted since the picture and story might have been just as interesting had the kids been, say, a year apart. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 20:40 Post subject: |
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Yes, you said that. I know it's one of her grandkids. Whose child is that?
I know it's a theory you stated and it's worth considering, but you do see why it wouldn't make sense to most other people, don't you? That doesn't mean your theory doesn't hold water...it simply isn't logical. |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 20:46 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: | LOL. Furienna needs to take a course in statistics and then on Mendelian genetics.
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No, I don't. But you need to give Michael a chance. Once again, there's no telling what mixed people will look like. Some will be dark, some will be fair. And Michael has white ancestry only three or four generations back. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 20:53 Post subject: |
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| The one on Michael's lap looks like she could be his daughter. That sounds more realistic if we were to say that he had a kid with Debbie Rowe. That little girl appears to be biracial or multiracial. She looks neither black nor white but perfectly mixed. |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 20:56 Post subject: |
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| pianoplayer111 wrote: | | Yes, you said that. I know it's one of her grandkids. Whose child is that? |
I actually don't know. I can check with some other Jackson family fans. But I think it's one of Michael's brother's children.
| pianoplayer111 wrote: | | I know it's a theory you stated and it's worth considering, but you do see why it wouldn't make sense to most other people, don't you? That doesn't mean your theory doesn't hold water...it simply isn't logical. |
Let me explain it to you... Siblings will get similar genes, since they inherit genes from the same parents, but still, only identical twins have the excact same DNA. It's very possible for some children in this family to get some more white genes into his DNA than what some of his siblings had.
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 20:58 Post subject: |
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| OK, there's a difference between being fair to him and being sound in your observations. Clearly your opinions/perception of this differs from many people here, myself included. I'm willing to give Michael the benefit of the doubt with most situations but this is one which seems very unlikely. You can believe in a person but you should allow room for logic, too. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 20:59 Post subject: |
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| I agree on that...my father is an identical twin. |
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Furienna New User

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 21:16 Post subject: |
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| But I'm not being illogical. Genes can go either way. Michael has just enough white ancestry to make it just as possible for him to have white children with a white woman as it would have been for him to have black children with a black woman. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 23:44 Post subject: |
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Certainly, genes can be complicated that way. However, this is not a person who is biracial...that along with a white partner would most likely result in white-looking children. I'm sure the odd exceptions to that occurs now and then, but that seems very rare.
When I said your logic is somewhat skewed, I meant that your perception seems to be clouded by your need to defend MJ's character. I'm not saying your opinion is incorrect but you don't seem to be looking at this objectively. As a fan, you surely remember how he looked as a little boy and then later in his youth? One photo of a few biracial children doesn't indicate anything, IMO. And bear in mind that as children grow older, physical characteristics often change. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Thu 19 Jul 2007 23:46 Post subject: |
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Is anyone willing to shed light on this?  |
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