The Lumbee Tribe Regional DNA Project is open to anyone who believes they are (or could be) descendants of a Lumbee Tribe ancestor. This project is both a Y-Chromosome (direct paternal line) and a mitochondrial DNA (direct maternal line) study.
Not at all a scientific sample, but the results are very interesting. Looks like european haplogroups predominate, followed by african, followed by amerindian.
And most identify as Indian. Such is the way of identities.
Joined: 29 Aug 2006 {Posts: 24 } Location: Germany
Posted: Fri 02 Feb 2007 14:50 Post subject:
Hi Omar,
I can see what you mean about some of the Mapuche's being mistaken as Italian. The man in the bottom picture that you posted looks very similar to my friend's Italian husband (origins - Sicily ).
While searching for movies to watch with my husband this weekend, I saw that the documentary "Apaga y vámonos" about the Mapuche Indian's fight against Endesa is being shown. Here is a trailer to the movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCmQf5hcPUo It looks interesting...
Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile
Posted: Fri 02 Feb 2007 15:34 Post subject: Pehueches
Yes, that's the conflict of Alto Bio Bio. Those are traditional lands of the Pehuenches ethnic group (a fraction of the Mapuches). Pehuenches are some of the poorest ethnic groups of this country.
Endesa build a dam in that river and make deals with the landowners of those lands, which were rejected by a group of them. The conflict was going on for about four years. Today most of them accepted the conditions of Endesa trading lands for sustancial economical benefits.
What was lost was a precious river, that felt down in the name of "progress". Mapuche peoples, although lost its traditional lands, managed to get others lands in return, and forced Endesa to pay a huge prize for the deal. Most of Pehuenches are now turning to ecotourism as a source of income.
There still several conflicts of this kind in Chile. We should remember that althogh Mapuches were defeated in war and incorporated to the Chilean state by force, they never really surrender, never gave up. They are still fighting in theirs traditional lands to recover more land from forestry companies and descendents of German colones. Most of the time conflict is no more than some clashed with the police without fatalities, fortunately.
I just would like to say Chileans, in general, are with the Mapuche people, but theirs real enemies these times is not the Chilean people, but private companies and -sometimes- the long term interests of the Chilean state.
Today most Mapuches live in cities, though, were other kind of conflicts are going on.
Yosemite Native Americans - Susie and Sadie McGowan in Yosemite Valley, ca. 1900, Paiutes. Photo of Susie McGowan sitting in the Yosemite Valley floor. She is holding her daughter Sadie McGowan in a Paiute cradleboard. The Paiutes made cradle boards out of willow. Susie is also in another famous photo of her carrying Sadie on her back in her cradle board. Yosemite - Mono Lake Paiute Native American Indians in Yosemite Valley. They were indigenous to the area.
Joined: 07 Mar 2009 {Posts: 15 } Location: NE Florida
Posted: Wed 13 May 2009 04:40 Post subject: Re: Where to look the Indians?
Frechesmaedl wrote:
Great statement Omar!
In my case, I have oral history from my paternal grandmother (b. 1915) that both of her parents were Indians - her father was from the Wilson tribe and her mother was from another tribe that I cannot remember. However, she was certainly of African descent as well, as were both of her parents. However, they considered themselves to be Indians.
Recently, my aunt told me a very revealing anecdotal story that corroborates this. She said that one day, when she took my grandmother grocery shopping, an older lady approached them and said that she looked like she was from the such-and-such tribe. My grandmother said that the lady looked like she was from another tribe and they apparently had a conversation about where the various tribes came from and about what facial features were characteristic of each one, etc. I was fascinated and wish that I had asked more when my grandmother was alive. Of course, according to Plecker, all of these people would have been labeled as "Negroes" full stop.
On the subject of tri-racial isolates. My mother worked in a school in Halifax County, NC and was constantly mistaken for being an Indian. The people there tend to look like mulattoes, some with what I consider to be American Indian facial features - usually they are Halle Berry's complexion or lighter with dark brown to blue eyes and hair colours/textures that range from straight and blond to 3c and black. Those people consider themselves to also be Indian and call themselves the "Haliwa-Saponi" tribe.
Growing up in the South, we were constantly coming in contact with people who were from these tri-racial isolate communities. Usually, these communities were small, rural towns where everyone was of fair complexion, with straight-to-softly curling hair. They often came to live in the capital city because of work and it would be said that everyone in their towns looked like them.
I met Lumbees, for the first time, when I went to college and they tended to be fair in complexion, with some having pronounced African features and most resembling Mediterranean peoples, in colour and hair types, with what I consider to be American Indian facial features.
For clarification about what I consider to be Native American facial features (derived from my personal experience, exposure and my family's oral history), please see the following pics of Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce tribe (presumably a "full blooded Indian") and celebrities of part-Native Ameican ancestry: Angelina Jolie, Cameron Diaz, Tori Amos and Tina Turner, who I consider to have fairly strong Native American features. The features that I would like to highlight include epicanthic folding of the eyes (either partial or full), high cheekbones, deep folds leading from the nostrils to either side of the mouth, a pronounced area between the lip and the nose and deep undereye recesses leading in a diagonal from the inner corners of the eye. Also, please note that the facial planes are rather "flat" in an East Asian manner. I also have these features and my Dad says that they become more pronounced as we age (yikes - I'm a woman! ).
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Your family sounds a lot like mine. My grandfather (father's father) was Choctaw and my grandmother was from a mixed-blood family in Lancaster Co. S.C. My grandfather's family was from Virginia but came down to Florida with other Catawbas in the 1840s/1850s. They intermarried with a Choctaw family and moved here to NE Florida. My sisters and I have various features we inherited--I've got the flat facial planes and aquiline nose, my sisters have the pronounced area between the nose and lip and pronounced nasolabial folds. One of my son's really has a lot of the phenotype--we are asked all the time is he 'ours', where did he come from, or the top stupid question, "What is he?" Grrr... I usually label myself as a mixed-blood Indian. I get a lot of 'yeah, right' responses. Not surprising--even my husband teases me and says that my phenotype screams "house n*****".
Here is a picture of my little guy when he was two:
What really burns me up is when a pre-Columbian history is acknowledged but just as quickly dismissed as insignificant or only relevant to Indians. I suppose the party didn't really start until Columbus disembarked.
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