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PostPosted: Fri 09 Feb 2007 22:35    Post subject: light skinned black/biracials historical figures Reply with quote

light skinned black/biracials historical figures ,why do they get dark skinned people to play light skined black/biracial historical figures ?

why can`t light skined black/biracials play other light skined black/biracials.
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PostPosted: Fri 09 Feb 2007 23:00    Post subject: Re: light skinned black/biracials historical figures Reply with quote

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light skinned black/biracials historical figures ,why do they get dark skinned people to play light skined black/biracial historical figures ?

why can`t light skined black/biracials play other light skined black/biracials.

marketing. Usually it has to do with whom they think are going to watch the movie and whom they think will sell.

I want to see a movie about Leo Felton with Denzel Washington playing him. You know all tattooed up and ready to be an Aryan Supremacist. Laughing

Some roles have been played by light skinned actors though. Most notably, most roles of Black personalities played by Halle Berry.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Feb 2007 05:10    Post subject: Re: light skinned black/biracials historical figures Reply with quote

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light skinned black/biracials historical figures ,why do they get dark skinned people to play light skined black/biracial historical figures ?

why can`t light skined black/biracials play other light skined black/biracials.


Most times I think they do use people of similar complexions. For instance, Will Smith played Muhammad Ali. Denzel Washington playing Malcolm X was all about getting the movie made. At that time, there were no big African American stars with lighter complexions.

On the other hand, film is an artistic medium in which a director uses visual imagery to tell a story.

However, look at how Hollywood has cast films of Rome with northern Europeans and usually quite tall. And let's not get started on all the times Jesus has been portrayed as a Jewish man of Swedish origins.
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Feb 2007 05:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not when the character was light skinned black held in high regard in the Black community. Both Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were portrayed by people darker than them.
http://www.backintyme.com/odr/viewtopic.php?p=15559
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar 2007 07:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with triguy.

I think it is basically Hollyweird. The actor (tress) having a name has much to do with casting in a biopic.
Vanessa Williams , who is a popular and big name, pretty, black, but bluehazeled-eyed, etc. played in the tv biopic of Heneritte DeLille. One big problem there is that Heneritte DeLille was a free woman of color, and I think she was a guadroon or octoroon and looked white. Vanessa Williams looks black and is black. It would have been a more interesting story and controverisal and ratings getter if the lead was casted by a white actress with dark hair. It also would have been more true if a white actress was casted in this part.
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2007 00:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not when the character was light skinned black held in high regard in the Black community. Both Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were portrayed by people darker than them.
http://www.backintyme.com/odr/viewtopic.php?p=15559


But not recently. In the movie "Boycott" both were played by color-appropriate actors.

I think Terrence Howard is going to play Thurgood Marshall in a movie. Not great but at least it's not Don Cheadle (bet you they asked him).
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar 2007 00:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not when the character was light skinned black held in high regard in the Black community. Both Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were portrayed by people darker than them.
http://www.backintyme.com/odr/viewtopic.php?p=15559
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2007 10:15    Post subject: Ill tell you why mymulatto.... Reply with quote

Because afroamericans predicate their identity on racial blackness, with the axis centered on pure african ancestry. What this means, is that anybody who is Black can be afroamerican, but the darker and more african one is, the more authentic they are. Consequently, people who are mulatto afroamericans usually have a hard time defending their identity from other afroamericans who are jealous and resentful of them.

Painting colored afroamerican historical figures as black afroamericans avoids this debacle by maximally authenticating them. A second reason is to promote afroamerican unity by asserting that coloreds and blacks are fundamentally identical in nature and therefore interchangeable. Yet another lessor reason is that white supremacism implies that black afroamericans are inferior to colored afroamericans. Falsely attributing the accomplishments of colored people to Black people reaffirms blacks that they are indeed capable of making acheivements.


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2007 13:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creole GAL wrote:
I agree with triguy.

I think it is basically Hollyweird. The actor (tress) having a name has much to do with casting in a biopic.
Vanessa Williams , who is a popular and big name, pretty, black, but grey-eyed, etc. played in the tv biopic of Heneritte DeLille. One big problem there is that Heneritte DeLille was a free woman of color, and I think she was a guadroon or octoroon and looked white. Vanessa Williams looks black and is black. It would have been a more interesting story and controverisal and ratings getter if the lead was casted by a white actress with dark hair. It also would have been more true if a white actress was casted in this part.


Vanessa Williams is mixed and looks mixed. She has very light brown skin. In some Latin America countries, Williams would be considered "white."

Also, because someone is a quadroon doesn't mean that he or she will look "white."
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PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2007 13:41    Post subject: Re: Ill tell you why mymulatto.... Reply with quote

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Because afroamericans predicate their identity on racial blackness, with the axis centered on pure african ancestry. What this means, is that anybody who is Black can be afroamerican, but the darker and more african one is, the more authentic they are. Consequently, people who are mulatto afroamericans usually have a hard time defending their identity from other afroamericans who are jealous and resentful of them.

Painting colored afroamerican historical figures as black afroamericans avoids this debacle by maximally authenticating them. A second reason is to promote afroamerican unity by asserting that coloreds and blacks are fundamentally identical in nature and therefore interchangeable. Yet another lessor reason is that white supremacism implies that black afroamericans are inferior to colored afroamericans. Falsely attributing the accomplishments of colored people to Black people reaffirms blacks that they are indeed capable of making acheivements.


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2007 03:32    Post subject: Okay, here goes Reply with quote

Sag, I said...

"Falsely attributing the accomplishments of colored people to Black people reaffirms blacks that they are indeed capable of making acheivements."

You know exactly what i mean by that, why are you acting otherwise? There is a lot of anxiety among Blacks that they can't perform in society, and there is fear that only partial blacks are capable. You know this is true, dont you?


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2007 13:18    Post subject: Re: Okay, here goes Reply with quote

TheMulattoKid wrote:
Sag, I said...

"Falsely attributing the accomplishments of colored people to Black people reaffirms blacks that they are indeed capable of making acheivements."

You know exactly what i mean by that, why are you acting otherwise? There is a lot of anxiety among Blacks that they can't perform in society, and there is fear that only partial blacks are capable. You know this is true, dont you?


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I was more concerned that you were saying that Blacks are not capable of achieving, which is how your statement reads. We all know how untrue this is, if so but it warrants calling out for precisely the reasons you articulated above.

Also, most "Blacks" in the U.S. are "partial Blacks" if by "partial" you mean that many have admixture. That gets confusing too. There are many stops along the Afro-Euro continuum, and let's not even get started on the Amerindian aspect.

Kid - I can't see inside your head. I can only interpret what you read. I try to limit my assumptions about a poster to what has been written, unless intentions were stated outright.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2007 16:14    Post subject: Re: Okay, here goes Reply with quote

TheMulattoKid wrote:
Sag, I said...

"Falsely attributing the accomplishments of colored people to Black people reaffirms blacks that they are indeed capable of making acheivements."

You know exactly what i mean by that, why are you acting otherwise? There is a lot of anxiety among Blacks that they can't perform in society, and there is fear that only partial blacks are capable. You know this is true, dont you?


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Hogwash. There is a lot of anxiety that they are being opressed. The question is if their anxiety is based on reality or not. Most Blacks do not go around feeling anxious about their capability. If anything, like most humans, they overstimate their abilities.

Lighter skinned Blacks, for the longest time had easier access to resources. They still identified as Black and would have not had a problem with their accomplishments used as an example of the Black community. Now ligheter skinned creoles or mulatto identified communities, it would have depended on their relationship with Black identified people.
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2007 19:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I believe the worst case of change of pigmentation it was the movie Jim West.

I remember than in the 60s the actor was white. It was so strange to see the new movie Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2007 22:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, I believe the worst case of change of pigmentation it was the movie Jim West.

I remember than in the 60s the actor was white. It was so strange to see the new movie Laughing

Plenty of them. As it is a fictional character in a screenplay that is no big deal. Now when it is based of a novel character or history, then yeah, I have a bigger issue with it.
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Oct 2007 10:16    Post subject: Re: light skinned black/biracials historical figures Reply with quote

mymulatto wrote:
light skinned black/biracials historical figures ,why do they get dark skinned people to play light skined black/biracial historical figures ?

why can`t light skined black/biracials play other light skined black/biracials.


maybe because they look at the actor/actress abilities first before considering (if at all) a person's skin tone.
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Oct 2007 15:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ mymulatto

I know this is slightly off topic buy why do you consistently group biracial and lightskinned people together? The two terms are not synonymous.

For example some of my brother's children are light skinned yet they are in no way shape or form biracial. Conversely I went to school with a jamaican kid whose father was chinese and mother was black. He was darker skinned (about the complexion of Condi Rice). He was biracial but was in no way shape or form light skinned. Would you group my nieces/nephews and my classmate together?
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Oct 2007 15:45    Post subject: Re: light skinned black/biracials historical figures Reply with quote

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mymulatto wrote:
light skinned black/biracials historical figures ,why do they get dark skinned people to play light skined black/biracial historical figures ?

why can`t light skined black/biracials play other light skined black/biracials.


maybe because they look at the actor/actress abilities first before considering (if at all) a person's skin tone.


No. If a historical figure is claimed by blacks and has no history of "passing," that person is usually played by a black or dark mulatto so the audience will know that he/she is "supposed" to be. This totally distorts history. Examples:

Henriette Delille
Sally Hemings
Thurgood Marshall
Roy Campanella
Adam Clayton Powell
Tai Babilonia
Daniel Hale Williams
Madison Hemings
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Oct 2007 16:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

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@ mymulatto

I know this is slightly off topic buy why do you consistently group biracial and lightskinned people together? The two terms are not synonymous.

For example some of my brother's children are light skinned yet they are in no way shape or form biracial. Conversely I went to school with a jamaican kid whose father was chinese and mother was black. He was darker skinned (about the complexion of Condi Rice). He was biracial but was in no way shape or form light skinned. Would you group my nieces/nephews and my classmate together?


I doubt Condi Rice is considered darkskinned, I know a lot of biracials who are the same coloring. Yet I understand what your saying. Biracial people come in darker complexions as well.



Rachel True would be considered the same complexion as Condelezza or darker





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PostPosted: Tue 16 Oct 2007 16:57    Post subject: Re: light skinned black/biracials historical figures Reply with quote

Powell wrote:
anonymouse wrote:
mymulatto wrote:
light skinned black/biracials historical figures ,why do they get dark skinned people to play light skined black/biracial historical figures ?

why can`t light skined black/biracials play other light skined black/biracials.


maybe because they look at the actor/actress abilities first before considering (if at all) a person's skin tone.


No. If a historical figure is claimed by blacks and has no history of "passing," that person is usually played by a black or dark mulatto so the audience will know that he/she is "supposed" to be. This totally distorts history. Examples:

Henriette Delille
Sally Hemings
Thurgood Marshall
Roy Campanella
Adam Clayton Powell
Tai Babilonia
Daniel Hale Williams
Madison Hemings


historical figure that is claimed by blacks? History is history. How can any person or group make claims on it?

I'm going to ignore the "played by a black or a dark mulatto" part and say this: When planning a historical film the actor does not need to be a clone of the historical figure but there is usually some type of physical similarity. So you won't see Adam Sandler playing Martin Luther King nor Grace Jones playing Marilyn Monroe.

What is the purpose of the names listed? Are you implying that all of these people are claimed by blacks yet are not black?
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