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For some reason the clowns at Sports Illustrated decided to put Beyonce on the cover of their 2007 Swimsuit Issue, a privilege usually reserved for the baddest ass of supermodels. I'm not saying she doesn't look great in her bikini (because she does) she just has no business being there. This isn't Entertainment Weekly, it's the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition. Beyonce has about as much right being there as a dog dressed in a silly hat and a cape.
Posted by BarbadoSlim on February 14, 2007 3:30 AM
@4 Damn, dialup? where do you live at? Medieval England? hahaha I'm just messin' with ya.
Anyway, looks like Sports Illustrated has lowered it's standard considerably, to ghetto standards, maybe they should write the whole issue and adverts in the ebonics dialect, you know, for the Jay Z demographic.
Posted by ImaCracka on February 14, 2007 3:30 AM
I am not a big fan of her and her big as booty... but at least it is a woman with some curves........
I will care when she poses for Hustler with a midget....
Posted by nycjgalt on February 14, 2007 3:37 AM
It's not like we wouldn't like to see a real smoking hot model like Alessandra Ambrosio instead of this pig they slapped some lipstick on for the county fair.
Posted by HollyJ on February 14, 2007 9:55 AM
I love the way they pose fat superstars on their knees like this to minimalize the acreage from the camera's perspective. 'Girl's got a huge fat bubble ass and giganticonormous thighs.
This did this same trick perspective thing with fat-ass J Lo for the cover of "On The Six" and "This is Me"..
That's also sooooo not her hair. FAKE FAKE FAKE
Good job covering up her DIRTY ELBOW with the sand. Quick thinking, Sports Illustrated.
Posted by monstercock on February 14, 2007 12:38 PM
#5 is a RACIST. a lot of racism on this board, how sad and pathetic. you must be either a) an ugly hag or b) a pathetic troll who could never ever ever ever get a girl anywhere near as fine as Beyonce. either way you are a loser.
I applaud SI for putting a real woman on their cover. I'm sick of these 6 footers who weigh 100 lbs and have the bodies of 12 year old boys (but maybe some of you pedophiles prefer that).
Bring on her curves! Beyonce is HOT AS HELL.
Posted by drowningfool on February 14, 2007 8:22 PM
Beyonce Knowles is the typical ignorant ghetto biatch. Ask her what 51+49 is and her face will start falling off just like it did in that one pic posted a while back on this website. In the legendary words of the poetic sage Kramer: "50 years ago she would've been hanging from a tree with a fork up her a**." The wisdom he emanated was too deep for most mortals to comprehend.
Posted by ME!!!!!!!!! on February 15, 2007 6:51 AM
Sounds like you're all a bunch of racists. How do any of you people know that Beyonce is ghetto. From what I hear, she's quite to opposite. Her mother owned a salon and her dad was making a 7 or 6 figure salary,(before they started managing her career) and they lived in a wealthy suburb of Houston Texas. I am sure there were no ghetto people there. Just because she's black dosen't mean she's ghetto, and just because she's black, dosen't mean she's ugly. I'm sure if Jessica Simpson was on the cover, you'd all be ok. (Granted I think that a model should be on the cover, because of traditon, and because they need jobs too)
97. Posted by BarbadoSlim on February 15, 2007 7:08 AM
Want some cheese with that whine, there are about four other proper black models that would have made excellent choices for the cover. And she and her family are as ghetto as they come,
@96...Well let's take it from the top.
1. Her name is "beyonce" which is some made up shit just like shannikua or tawwanda (it doesn't even matter how you spell them, use as many K's N's or W's as you want) . Precisely the kind of pretentious vulgarity that stamps you as a ghetto queen from the get-go.
2. She's hooked up with a an ex-drug dealing thug
3. She has a weave.
Last edited by gemini072 on Tue 20 Feb 2007 16:29; edited 2 times in total
1) Why is Beyonce getting so much hate for being on the cover but Tyra Banks did not? Do white people see Tyra as higher than Beyonce? Why?
2) Why is Kanye West, all pro-black, hates on biracial women, etc feelin' up a white girls butt in the magazine????
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No I actually think it's the singer / actress moving into a models territory. Tyra Banks is a model, she has been featured in SI many times before she was on the cover. Beyonce isn't a model. Many of the those models in SI have been doing the work for a long time and have yet been put on the cover. But from my understanding this SI issue is the Music issue?
Beyonce isn't the only one who's been 'attached' J-Lo and other singers actresses who have 'tried to step into the models shoes' have been critizied by models and supermodels.
1) Why is Beyonce getting so much hate for being on the cover but Tyra Banks did not? Do white people see Tyra as higher than Beyonce? Why?
I'm not sure if these opinions are representative of whites or if they are all from white people. Some of these negative responses may come from non-whites who hate on black people. Trust me they're out there.
Beyonce has curves and a but, both of which are considered unattractive and a sign of being fat to some people accustomed to the boy-like figures of supermodels today. Apparently a woman is attractive and has a hot body if she looks like a famine victim from a commercial for UNICEF or Save the Children.
She wouldn't be seen as fat or unattractive body wise back in the 50s or 60s. Facially she is at least as attractive as many "hot" supermodels out there today.
Dragon Horse wrote:
2) Why is Kanye West, all pro-black, hates on biracial women, etc feelin' up a white girls butt in the magazine????
He has past her prime, blonde sex kitten Pamela Anderson in one of his videos too. Maybe he does this to titillate the listening public. Or maybe deep down all that militancy is just an attempt to compensate for his slavish attraction to European beauty standards.
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Posted: Wed 21 Feb 2007 18:19 Post subject:
odocoileus wrote:
I seriously have to question the manhood of anyone who'd kick Ms Knowles out of bed.
I second that. I would go even further to say that a lot of these guys who only like women who look like pre-pubescent boys/girls with no womanly shape are suspect to be closet pedophiles. Then again the modeling/fashion world is controlled by gay men. It is not shocking that they like women that like like feminine men.
I seriously have to question the manhood of anyone who'd kick Ms Knowles out of bed.
I second that. I would go even further to say that a lot of these guys who only like women who look like pre-pubescent boys/girls with no womanly shape are suspect to be closet pedophiles. Then again the modeling/fashion world is controlled by gay men. It is not shocking that they like women that like like feminine men.
From what I understand, it's men as well as a larger number of female designers who think it's easier to style their designs on women with less curves.
I don't think because a person is gay that they are attracted to pedophiles. I would suspect they like manly looking men...Gianni Versace models were
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Posted: Thu 22 Feb 2007 14:27 Post subject:
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Dragon Horse wrote:
odocoileus wrote:
I seriously have to question the manhood of anyone who'd kick Ms Knowles out of bed.
I don't think because a person is gay that they are attracted to pedophiles. I would suspect they like manly looking men...Gianni Versace models were[/color]
The majority of designers in the fashion industry are gay or very effeminate men, not women or straight men. I think the reason is that men tend to be dominant in visual/spatial but being gay they have more feminine ideas of fashion, etc. Still I have been around enough gay men to know that their general beliefs in an attractive woman are not the general beliefs of the majority of straight men.
I have no doubt that when they look at certain women and judge them as attractive or not that is not the same standard the majority of straight men use. If models were not judged on facial and physical appearance and it was just all about how “the clothes hang on their skeleton” they would not care about the models faces (especially not on the run way, but I’m speaking of swim suit and magazine adds too), it is more than just their body shape being pragmatic.
I don’t want to get too into this, because it is off topic, but gays are probably less than 10% of the population but about 40% of child molesters are men on boys. Being that straight men are probably 90% of the population but molest men on girls 60% of the time, I would say that is significant. I’m not saying that all gay men are pedophiles…but I do believe that on average gay men are more attracted to young boy looking people. Just as straight men are attracted to youthful looking women…a 20 year old woman is going to turn more heads than a 35 year old woman. Gay men are still men in a sense and I think this is also true for them. That is my speculation.
I seriously have to question the manhood of anyone who'd kick Ms Knowles out of bed.
I don't think because a person is gay that they are attracted to pedophiles. I would suspect they like manly looking men...Gianni Versace models were[/color]
The majority of designers in the fashion industry are gay or very effeminate men, not women or straight men. I think the reason is that men tend to be dominant in visual/spatial but being gay they have more feminine ideas of fashion, etc. Still I have been around enough gay men to know that their general beliefs in an attractive woman are not the general beliefs of the majority of straight men.
I have no doubt that when they look at certain women and judge them as attractive or not that is not the same standard the majority of straight men use. If models were not judged on facial and physical appearance and it was just all about how “the clothes hang on their skeleton” they would not care about the models faces (especially not on the run way, but I’m speaking of swim suit and magazine adds too), it is more than just their body shape being pragmatic.
I don’t want to get too into this, because it is off topic, but gays are probably less than 10% of the population but about 40% of child molesters are men on boys. Being that straight men are probably 90% of the population but molest men on girls 60% of the time, I would say that is significant. I’m not saying that all gay men are pedophiles…but I do believe that on average gay men are more attracted to young boy looking people. Just as straight men are attracted to youthful looking women…a 20 year old woman is going to turn more heads than a 35 year old woman. Gay men are still men in a sense and I think this is also true for them. That is my speculation.
I doubt that gay men just became designers in the last 10 years. When Naomi and the original Supermodels, Iam and many others were and are in the spotlight and runways, they definately didn't look like boys and had the curves and thighs. Those designers were gay too, right?
Clothing designers go way beyond the runway, there are print models, commercial models, the ones that you find in a JcPenny catalog. Most of these women are still very feminine and curvy. That sickly look came in during the more grundge look when they wanted to give put more of an edge to models, There are a lot of Asian designers who are women who had a lot to do with bringing that boney look to the field.
I am a girl, but I am a fan of beyonce's. I did not see that magazine , SI,sothanks for psoting up the pictures. You asked , "Why Beyonce?"
She is pretty. Curvy. Really popular at the top of her game in show business. Has a clothing line which is doing well. Entertainers are taking over being on fashions mags instead of models. I cannot remember when a modle was last on Elle, Harper's Barzarre, Cosmo, etc.
Beyonce's mother is Creole and her mother (Beyonce's maternal grandmother) is from Louisiana.
I think Beyonce is a good choice for SI.
I seriously have to question the manhood of anyone who'd kick Ms Knowles out of bed.
I don't think because a person is gay that they are attracted to pedophiles. I would suspect they like manly looking men...Gianni Versace models were[/color]
The majority of designers in the fashion industry are gay or very effeminate men, not women or straight men. I think the reason is that men tend to be dominant in visual/spatial but being gay they have more feminine ideas of fashion, etc. Still I have been around enough gay men to know that their general beliefs in an attractive woman are not the general beliefs of the majority of straight men.
I have no doubt that when they look at certain women and judge them as attractive or not that is not the same standard the majority of straight men use. If models were not judged on facial and physical appearance and it was just all about how “the clothes hang on their skeleton” they would not care about the models faces (especially not on the run way, but I’m speaking of swim suit and magazine adds too), it is more than just their body shape being pragmatic.
I don’t want to get too into this, because it is off topic, but gays are probably less than 10% of the population but about 40% of child molesters are men on boys. Being that straight men are probably 90% of the population but molest men on girls 60% of the time, I would say that is significant. I’m not saying that all gay men are pedophiles…but I do believe that on average gay men are more attracted to young boy looking people. Just as straight men are attracted to youthful looking women…a 20 year old woman is going to turn more heads than a 35 year old woman. Gay men are still men in a sense and I think this is also true for them. That is my speculation.
I am hearing a lot of people push this "gay male aesthetic" argument for why some runway/print models look like emaciated male teenagers. it really doesn't make any sense for the following reasons:
1. Gay men have always been involved in the fashion industry, yet the super-skinny model is a recent fixture on runways and in print ads. The advent of the skinny model is usually attributed to the popularity of the English model Twiggy in the 1960s and the perception among designers that models with less curves allow the focus to remain on the clothes rather than the booty or breasts drawing one's attention away from the $20,000 dress.
3. Gay men like to ogle men, not women. I would venture a guess that very few, if any, gay men are turned on by someone without a penis and firm man-butt.
4. Who are the female icons for (American) gay men? Cher, Barbra Streisand, Marilyn Monroe, Beyonce', Judy Garland. None of these women are remotely androgynous, yet gay men seem to admire them greatly.
5. There is no one type of model that is propped up by the gay may fashion mafia. Runway models are usually taller, skinnier and more exotic-looking than commercial models. The skeletons on stilettos that you see strutting down the runway usually only get print work for high-concept artsy pieces. Models in commericals, catalogues and ad campaigns, while usually still thin, are much more average and healthy looking. Kate Moss and any other "name brand" models who transitioned from the runway are exceptions, not the rule.
6. Most importantly, fashion is a business, and business is still the province of heterosexual European/European descended males at the upper echelons. It is their asthetic that is represented, their size zero trophy wives (or mistresses) that set the couture trends and buy the clothes that so many gay male designers create with their bodies in mind. Just like the leisure tan sought by the Muffys and Gidgets of the world changed the perceived beauty of pale skin, the mantra that "one cannot be too thin or too rich" has trickled down to the masses.
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Posted: Thu 15 Mar 2007 00:29 Post subject:
Sorry, I know a lot of white men, maybe not upper-class rich, but I know some upper middle class...mostly American though...they like women like Angelina Jolie and Scarlet Johansson...not a 6 foot tall, size zero, flat chested, prepubescent boy looking girl.
If you look at magazine MEN buy to look at women, it is Maxim, Sports Illustrated, Playboy, Hustler, and harder stuff...NONE of those women look like women in fashion magazines. NONE. They all look more like Angelina Jolie and Scarlet Johansson.
Sorry, I know a lot of white men, maybe not upper-class rich, but I know some upper middle class...mostly American though...they like women like Angelina Jolie and Scarlet Johansson...not a 6 foot tall, size zero, flat chested, prepubescent boy looking girl.
If you look at magazine MEN buy to look at women, it is Maxim, Sports Illustrated, Playboy, Hustler, and harder stuff...NONE of those women look like women in fashion magazines. NONE. They all look more like Angelina Jolie and Scarlet Johansson.
Your original argument was that the gay male aesthetic in the fashion industry is the reason why/a stronger influence in the emaciated androgynous look that is popular among models. That has nothing to do with who is in magazines targeted at heterosexual men, as fashion magazines/shows/commercials are targeted at WOMEN. It is also not well-supported when you consider the arguments that I made above. Gay men in the fashion industry do not seem interested in making women look like more like men so that they can "pretend" that these she-males are prepubescent boys to salivate over. Some of the best gay designers in the business make clothing that flatters a woman's body. They know what their customers want. There are much more concrete and, quite frankly, insidious reasons why it's not a bad thing in the fashion industry to be an unhealthy anorexic/bulemic/drug addict as long as you can work a sample size 2 and show up to work on time. These reasons have very little if nothing to do with with the gender of the people designers are sleeping with.
Also, there is a BIG difference between upper middle class and upper class behavior and tastes. Anyone can thumb through a Maxim at the airport or ogle the spreads in Playboy, but only so many people on Earth drop thousands or even millions on couture wardrobes every season (as opposed to saving up to build a wardrobe with a few couture "pieces"). And these people tend to believe that there is no such thing as "too thin."
Angeline Jolie is SKINNY. It's not bad (I am skinny myself) but it is the truth. Most actresses are skin and bones and getting thinner by the minute. If Scarlett Johannsen didn't have a large chest she would be skin and bones too. The camera does add weight, so seeing these people in person is shocking if you aren't prepared for it because most of them are SMALL (and shorter than they look on screen as well).
Aside from the actresses gracing the pages of some of the magazines that you mentioned, the figures of most of these women are indeed more "ripe" than your average fashion model, but that is because they are trying to sell sex and not clothes. Cultural preferences also come into play here: The women in Maxim magazine don't tend to look like the women you see in hip hop videos. Most of the women in hip hop videos are considered "fat" in mainstream White culture. I mean look at what some of the people above are saying about Beyonce.
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Posted: Thu 15 Mar 2007 01:59 Post subject:
Sorry...I don't buy it. I don't think the market is demand driven, I think it is supply driven and their is a huge marketing push behind it to brainwash women into thinking they need to look a certain way to be stylish and looks are everything. The superficialism and materialism are not new, but driven to a major extreme. The bone thinness is a trend...
I do not believe the majority of men (of any class) likes women who have shapes like young boys and manly faces of a starving East African man. I'm sorry, I don't buy it.
That was not always a trend of beauty or even an upperclass trend, it is quite recent and it is driven by designers...
The supposed artistic genius of the fashion oligarchy sets the trend and it is top - down in movement. Not bottom - up. Rich women buy the latest fashion because they are told this is what "is the latest" and what the latest gay genius came up with.
Men like women with a certain hip-waste ratio and on average, breasts...that is true everywhere in the world. Everything else I can believe is due to culture/class whatever but some things are true, if it is not something powerful is overriding it and it is not rich men pressuring rich women to look like boys because they like that.
Sorry...I don't buy it. I don't think the market is demand driven, I think it is supply driven and their is a huge marketing push behind it to brainwash women into thinking they need to look a certain way to be stylish and looks are everything. The superficialism and materialism are not new, but driven to a major extreme. The bone thinness is a trend...
You are now switching your argument to say that women are being "brainwashed" to "look a certain way." What's interesting is your focus on "gay geniuses" rather than the culprits that usually influence female behavior much more than anything besides babies: the assumed desires of heterosexual men. Heterosexual men, who proclaim their desire for curvy, sexually available women who wear little clothing and display little intelligence in key media outlets. If you meant to conclude, based on the appearance of women that appear in sexy magazines, videos, pornos and the like, that what women strive to be for men is all contrived by some conspiracy of gay men, then that goes against a whole lot of evidence to the contrary.
I'm not going to get into philosophical arguments about whether demand is created by suppliers or supply is creating by those demanding something because it is painfully obvious that the relationship is symbiotic. Grant you, the rampant consumerism in all aspects of modern American society is certainly a factor in our behavior, but that is across the board. And, as you said, thinness is a trend that might change in the future. Will the standard for runway models ever be a 5'2" stocky frame? That I am not sure about.
Dragon Horse wrote:
I do not believe the majority of men (of any class) likes women who have shapes like young boys and manly faces of a starving East African man. I'm sorry, I don't buy it.
Okay, but who said that they did? What I said is that the maxim "one cannot be too thin or too rich" tends to be an upper class mentality. I also very clearly outlined the practical reasons why, in the fashion industry, a very tall and thin frame is currently desired.
Dragon Horse wrote:
That was not always a trend of beauty or even an upperclass trend, it is quite recent and it is driven by designers...
Again, who said any currently observed human behavior has "always" remained the same? Beauty trends change and many factors influence these changes. It is not one-sided nor will it ever be, because nothing is created in some underground fashion laboratory full of rainbow flag-wearing effetes. I disagree that designers, gay/straight/other "create" anything outside of society. They are influenced by what they see. If you recall the grunge trend in the early 90s, many designers were influenced by the Seattle alternative rock "look" worn by musicians.
Dragon Horse wrote:
The supposed artistic genius of the fashion oligarchy sets the trend and it is top - down in movement. Not bottom - up. Rich women buy the latest fashion because they are told this is what "is the latest" and what the latest gay genius came up with.
Nonsense. The entire "urban" clothing market is a bottom up trend - street kids, "ghetto" kids, even prisoners provided the inspiration for designers. Back when Karl Kani and Cross Colors were capturing the essence of these styles in their clothing Tommy Hilfiger hadn't even noticed them yet. This is only one example. Marketing, or getting a target audience to buy a product, is completely separate. I do agree that since marketing is a corporate enterprise that many aspects are top-down. Art is not one of the other and neither is fashion.
Dragon Horse wrote:
Men like women with a certain hip-waste ratio and on average, breasts...that is true everywhere in the world. Everything else I can believe is due to culture/class whatever but some things are true, if it is not something powerful is overriding it and it is not rich men pressuring rich women to look like boys because they like that.
"It" sure isn't gay men pressuring anyone to look like boys. Many designers are not gay or even men. Many fashion editors, notably the great Anna Wintour of Vogue, are not gay men (she is a rich skinny White chick though). The assumptions underlying your original argument just don't add up and that is what I wanted to address. Quite frankly it reminded me of the "Jewish conspiracy" arguments that some people make about the media.
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