Hello all. I am new to the group. I am a mother of twins ( 1/2 Creole 1/2 Irish). I have noticed,in & outside of this forum, that when a child has a "black" mother + "white" father, the child tends to visually appear "white". However, when the father is "black" and the mother is "white" the child will have the appearance of being "black" more times then not. So is it safe to say that paternal genetics are more dominate then maternal genetics?
Go look at the pictures of James Earl Jones and Quincy Jones and their progeny again.
Salsassin, I am from New Orleans. New Orleans has a large Creole population. Some say that we have a unique situation in SE Louisiana. Creoles of color in some cases do not have the visual appearance of being black. Our people have a generational mixture, similar to Jamaica. I have only stated this because I am so use to seeing fair skinned black people that it is hard for people to passon blanc (Creole = pass for white) only by skin tone. I have looked at James Earls Jones son and my opinion is he looks like a black man that has a lighter skin tone. I would say the Quincy Jones' daughter is the exception. However, as adults we have the ability to manipulate our appearance.
I will also express that a “white” or “black” appearance is far more complex the skin tone. It is a combination of skin tone, facial features, hair texture, and in some cases eye color.
Hello all. I am new to the group. I am a mother of twins ( 1/2 Creole 1/2 Irish). I have noticed,in & outside of this forum, that when a child has a "black" mother + "white" father, the child tends to visually appear "white". However, when the father is "black" and the mother is "white" the child will have the appearance of being "black" more times then not. So is it safe to say that paternal genetics are more dominate then maternal genetics?
Go look at the pictures of James Earl Jones and Quincy Jones and their progeny again.
Salsassin, I am from New Orleans. New Orleans has a large Creole population. Some say that we have a unique situation in SE Louisiana. Creoles of color in some cases do not have the visual appearance of being black. Our people have a generational mixture, similar to Jamaica. I have only stated this because I am so use to seeing fair skinned black people that it is hard for people to passon blanc (Creole = pass for white) only by skin tone. I have looked at James Earls Jones son and my opinion is he looks like a black man that has a lighter skin tone. I would say the Quincy Jones' daughter is the exception. However, as adults we have the ability to manipulate our appearance.
I will also express that a “white” or “black” appearance is far more complex the skin tone. It is a combination of skin tone, facial features, hair texture, and in some cases eye color.
You see a Black man in Quincy Jones son only because of one droppism. His features easily appear in many Judaic populations as well. And you still haven't shown a gender difference.
Generational mixture like in Jamaica?Are the Creoles from Louisana really that dark? According to the CIA World factbook the people of Jamaica are 90% black with very few mixes and white or other races.
Generational mixture like in Jamaica?Are the Creoles from Louisana really that dark? According to the CIA World factbook the people of Jamaica are 90% black with very few mixes and white or other races.
The CIA factbook is unreliable. It does not try to tell fractions of genetic admixture. It does not even try to tell proportions of ancestry. Instead, it is apparently nothing more than the eyeball opinions of U.S. bureaucrat staffers. I say "apparently" because no federal agency has ever revealed the source of the information published there.
I suggest that discussions of appearance would be more persuasive if accompanied by photos, discussions of ancestry would be more persuasive if accompanied by census data, and discussions of genetic admixture would be more persuasive if accompanied by studies reporting autosomal markers.
Actually the CIA world factbook is very reliable.I know the Jamaicans and many of them are very dark.If you look for the Netherlands Antilles on the CIA world fact book you can see that the people are 85% mixed black,Carib Amerindian,white, East Asian,which is completely true because I come from there.On www.whitepages.an you can verify that the information that the CIA has about the Netherlands Antilles is completely true.I know someone who was vacationing on Jamaica and she told me that wherever she and her husband went The Jamaicans were staring at them.When she asked a Jamaican man about why they were staring at them, the man simply replied:''Because they had never seen white people around here''. And my friend and her husband were walking down the streets close to their hotels.I was shocked,but I could that my friend wasn't lying.
Actually the CIA world factbook is very reliable.I know the Jamaicans and many of them are very dark.If you look for the Netherlands Antilles on the CIA world fact book you can see that the people are 85% mixed black,Carib Amerindian,white, East Asian,which is completely true because I come from there. ...
Sorry, I was unclear. You are posting in the "Molecular Anthropology and Genetics" forum of the "Technical and Scholarly Discussions" section of this site. This forum (indeed, all the forums in the "Technical and Scholarly Discussions" section) requires that factual claims be backed up by hard evidence. The problem is not that your opinion of the CIA World Factbook's reliability differs from mine. It is that this source has not been peer-reviewed. Indeed, it cannot be peer-reviewed because it contains no findings, no raw data. It is merely a collection of unsubstantiated conclusions. Your opinion as to its veracity is irrelevant, as is mine. Since it has not been peer-reviewed and cannot be peer-reviewed it is an unreliable source in the sense explained in item "4. Replicate Your Findings" of the Introduction to Science-as-Process.
There is deeper problem with your defense of the CIA world factbook. You are not clearly defining just what you are claiming. Again, see item "2. Define the Question Objectively" of the Introduction to Science-as-Process. As I said, if you are talking about the percentage ancestries of today's Jamaicans then you should present census data. If you are talking about fraction of Afro-Euro genetic admixture, you should present pertinent data about genetic admixture. If you are talking about what Jamaicans look like to you or to your friends, then you are posting into the wrong forum. This forum is the wrong place to post opinions that cannot be falsified. Again, please see item "3. Explain How to Falsify Your Claim" in Introduction to Science-as-Process.
Unless you can present something other than unsubstantiated, non-falsifiable opinions regarding Jamaicans, I shall move your comments and my answers to the "Site Management" forum.
Generational mixture like in Jamaica?Are the Creoles from Louisana really that dark? According to the CIA World factbook the people of Jamaica are 90% black with very few mixes and white or other races.
werta in the English speaking Caribbean we have a two tier classification "Black/African" and "Mixed/Colored" and not one drop. Its really hard to say precisely when one stops being black and becomes mixed, or for that matter stops being mixed and becomes white. Most Jamaican whites would fail the ODR test.
A high % of those who call themselves black for census purposes are in fact nominally mixed, and many of these in Latin America wouldnt understand why some one would call them black. So its inaccurate to say that there are few mixes in Jamaica, even though its accurate to say that 90% of Jamaicans classify themselves as "black", "African" or "negro". Race is after all a social construct. Michael Manley will be black in the USA, light brown in the NH Caribbean and may even be white in most parts of LatAm.
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