El 8 de Agosto de 1879 nació el General Emiliano Zapata y una ceremonia indígena se realizará la noche anterior en su natal Anenecuilco. Emiliano Zapata es un héroe del pueblo Mexicano
Translation. On August the 8th of 1879,The General Emiliano Zapata was born,and a day earlier an Indigena ceremony was performed in his home town of Anenecuilico. Emiliano Zapata is a hero to the Mexican country.
Nonresponsive. There is nothing in that link that addresses whether Zapata had subsaharan ancestry.
You ignored the other links were it says that he was indigena and spoke Nauhtl? hmm..
Since Emiliano Zapata is Mexican. It is not me who has to prove if he has African ancestry or not. The people who that claim Emiliano Zapata was partly black have no proof at all. It is just hear say. No DNA test were taken from him to prove he had African ancestry.
Emiliano Zapata grew up in a Indigena village and Spoke Nahuatl.
So he was an Indigena .His Indigena ancestry that goes back thousands of years.
Demand proof from people who claim that Emiliano Zapata was partly black. Like DNA test.
Ovenga left, i probably will to, since you only demand proof from me,when it's obvious i show more than proof.
Being amerindian has nothing to do with anything. Many former black slaves in Mexico intermixed with indigenous populations in Southern Mexico.
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Yes being Amerindian means alot in Mexico.If you speak Amerindian languages and live in an Indigena village .It means you live in a very isolated village from the mestizos etc population.
Indigena villages in Mexico were always separate from Mestizo,Criolo etc towns,villages.Thats were Emiliano Zapata comes from ,a typical Amerindian village.
Some former slaves mixed with Amerindians and formed their own group like the Afro-Mexicans in the Costa Chica. They do not Speak Amerindian languages or labeled Amerindian(Indigenas) by the Mexican government.
Until some one post some proof (DNA Examples)that Emilano Zapata was part black, is when Mexicans should take these wacky Afro-Centric websites claiming every famous person as part black serious.
The last guy, Veracruzano Armando Chacha, would certainly tell you he is of partial African descent.
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MATAMBA: EXPRESIÓN DE LA ESCLAVITUD, LA LIBERTAD, EL DESEO, LA IMAGINACIÓN Y LOS SUEÑOS
Armando Chacha se refiere a las ideas, conceptos y sentimientos que dieron origen a su nueva producción Matamba, que completa una tercia en su discografía junto con Biografía Rota (1985) y Litorales (1991). El disco será presentado la noche de este viernes 30 de abril en el Museo Nacional de Culturas Populares de Conaculta, con la participación de los poetas Eduardo Langagne y Eudoro Fonseca y del productor de Discos Pentagrama, Modesto López.
Para el compositor, este disco representa la posibilidad de decirle al mundo que somos un país culturalmente rico, que tiene como una de sus vertientes la influencia de la cultura negra, la cual ha estado y está presente no sólo en la vida de los pueblos del Golfo de México y del Pacífico, sino en todo nuestro mestizaje cultural.
Por eso se llama Matamba, una palabra de origen africano que da nombre a un pueblo del centro de Veracruz, situado a orillas del río Jamapa, cercano al Puerto: "Me platicó la gente de ahí que habían encontrado grilletes enterrados. Y no son más que una expresión, un residuo, de esa historia tan dolorosa que vivió el negro en México, y en toda América Latina, en la esclavitud.
"Retomo ese nombre porque simboliza mucho: Al mismo tiempo que esos grilletes representan el esclavismo, son la manifestación del coraje y la liberación del negro. Porque los negros cimarrones preferían huir al monte y sobrevivir como pudieran, antes que vivir en la barraca esclavizados y atados al grillete".
De acuerdo con Chacha, el disco no es una expresión del africanismo, porque el negro" —como se dice coloquialmente—, perdió aquí. A diferencia de países como Cuba, no creó sistemas culturales, se diluyó. Pero de todas formas está ahí; con Matamba quiero decirle a la gente: existió y existe, es parte de nuestro mestizaje".
[Translation: According to Chacha, the album is not an expresion of africanism, because as is said colloquially, the black man lost here. Unlike countries like Cuba, he did not create cultural systems, rather, he [his blood] was diluted. But regardless, he is there; with "Mataba" I want to tell people: he existed and he exists, he is part of our mixture." ]
Is there a reason having african admixture bothers you so much? Here is the link.
Mexicans heritage and culture is Amerindian(Aztec,Mayan,Toltec,huichole
Otomi,Yaqui,Tarahumara,Taracan etc) and Spanish.
If their is a little bit of black blood among a tiny minority of Mexicans, it's not going to change Mexico or Mexican decendants.
African culture in Mexico is zero it had no impact.
Imagine a few hundred Germans settlers influenced Mexican music
(Norteno,Banda)
It makes you wonder why the blacks had zero influence in Mexican music.
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Posted: Thu 10 May 2007 22:39 Post subject:
that is so false. Do you hate black people or see them as inferior to you? Is this why you object so much to proven fact? Does it offend you to think there is black ancestory in Mexico?
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Mexico Overview:
Mexican culture and history date back to some of the most powerful indigenous civilizations of the pre-encounter Americas. Prior to Spanish arrival, the Aztecs already had a significant musical legacy, with the establishment of formal music schools called cuicalli. The sacred instruments and rhythms of the Aztecs still resonate today, and the Náhuatl language is still widely spoken throughout Mexico. During the nearly three centuries of Spanish colonial rule, Mexican music adopted much of Spain's regional forms, and merged these traditions with the indigenous elements that endured. The population also was a reflection of this mixture, referred to as mestizo.
But by the early 19th century, Mexicans sought their independence from Spain and began to embrace other European forms, notably the polka and the waltz. Following the independence period (roughly 100 years), the revolutionary period established Mexico's status as an independent nation, and paved the way for one of the country's most important and enduring forms: the corrido.
Developed during the early 20th century, the corrido is an epic ballad form that in many ways chronicled the events of Mexico's revolution (1910–1917), from tales of its heroes' exploits, to battles, crimes and betrayal. The Spanish poetic forms such as the romance and the copla became staple literary choices, and the instrumental accompaniment ranged from a single guitarist to a variety of small ensembles. In time, many of the country's unique regional forms would include the corrido as standard repertoire. More than 100 years later, the corrido has continued to dominate Mexico's regional music and given birth to the modern form known as narco corrido, with taboo subjects ranging from drug and human trafficking to illegal immigration.
Mexico is geographically large and diverse, resulting in distinct music from each state or region. By the 1930s, Mexican regional son began to flourish, showcasing the unique flavors of each province. What distinguishes each of these regional forms is generally twofold: the treatment of the text (i.e., poetry and its structure around the music) and the instrumentation (or collection of instruments in the ensemble). In the southern states such as Oaxaca, the marimba of African origin is an important fixture in what is known as son istmeño as well as the large brass band called banda, a result of the Spanish municipal bands of European tradition. Today, banda music has become one of the primary forces in regional Mexican music, often interpreting the son within the context of German-derived polkas and waltzes
Perhaps some of the more widely known forms of Mexican regional son are the son jarocho and the son jaliciense. The jarocho form comes from the state of Veracruz, which is part of Mexico's Caribbean coast, and demonstrates the influences of its Cuban neighbor with distinctly African and Creole elements such as repetition and improvisation of the lyrics along with its accompanying instruments—the arpa jarocha (harp) and several guitar relatives. A popular example of this style is the song "La Bamba," which reemerged in the 1950s in a Latin rock version by Richie Valens. Son jaliciense, from the state of Jalisco, is more recognized by the name for its premiere ensemble: mariachi.
Probably one of the most recognizable and distinct styles, this regional son features a combination of string and brass instruments, with the musicians themselves referred to as mariachis. Some of the most elaborate sones are virtually symphonic in terms of their length and complexity, and many feature distinct choreography as well. Other regional forms include son huasteco, son michoacano and the chilena, which was adapted from the Chilean cueca.
One of Mexico's more interesting musical marriages occurred with the emigration of Germans to the Mexico-Texas border regions during the prohibition era in the United States. The German button accordion merged with the Mexican bajo sexto—a 12-string guitar commonly used in the northern regions, and the result gave us música norteña or norteño music. As the accordion-guitar duet expanded in the 1940s and '50s, a new instrumentation evolved called the Texas-Mexican conjunto, incorporating American drum-set and sometimes a saxophone. These groups initiated the so-called "Tex-Mex" fever pioneered early on by accordionist Narciso Martinez and singer/guitarist Lydia Mendoza, and later icons such as Flaco Jiménez. And what did these groups play? The standard repertoire for all norteño groups has always been the corrida and the ranchera.
The ranchera is a simple country tune, often depicting everyday occurrences—from life on the farm to more tragic events. Although not as lyrically complex as the corrido, the ranchera was everyman's music; it idealized the simple Mexican way of life for all people. In fact, the general term música ranchera has been adopted as a way to define the spread of this tradition throughout Mexico. Today, literally any type of ensemble, regardless of its origin, will play these forms—from the mariachi to bandas as well as conjuntos. The result has catapulted Mexican regional music as one of the industry's most successful forces, and spread these traditions far north into much of the western half of the United States. —Rebeca Mauleon
Garcia parra has 24 hours to produce credible, preferably peer-reviewed, sources for all three of his factual claims: (1) That Emiliano Zapata was not part black, (2) That the genetic studies cited are biased, and (3) That Spaniards always outnumbered Africans in colonial Mexico. Failing that, he will be suspended for one month.
Regarding the first item, garciaparra pointed out that his claim that Zapata had no subsaharan ancestry was in response to DH's claim that Zapata did have subsaharan ancestry, so the burden of proof lies with the first claim. This is correct. Garciaparra need not provide a source for the first item until DH does.
Nevertheless, Garciaparra has made no effort to address the other two items and so his posting privilege is hereby suspended until June 9, 2007.
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Posted: Thu 10 May 2007 23:44 Post subject:
fwsweet wrote:
fwsweet Wed 09 May 2007 11:04 wrote:
Garcia parra has 24 hours to produce credible, preferably peer-reviewed, sources for all three of his factual claims: (1) That Emiliano Zapata was not part black, (2) That the genetic studies cited are biased, and (3) That Spaniards always outnumbered Africans in colonial Mexico. Failing that, he will be suspended for one month.
Regarding the first item, garciaparra pointed out that his claim that Zapata had no subsaharan ancestry was in response to DH's claim that Zapata did have subsaharan ancestry, so the burden of proof lies with the first claim. This is correct. Garciaparra need not provide a source for the first item until DH does.
Nevertheless, Garciaparra has made no effort to address the other two items and so his posting privilege is hereby suspended until June 9, 2007.
I have no proof but for Steve Sailers article...and he is no expert, so I will just say "it is Steve Sailer's opinion" that Zapata had subSaharan African Ancestory.
Unless we are discussing the genotype of the population extracted from the African continent and brought to the new world as servents, the decision to see sub-saharan west-africa as composing a region of ancestry is entirely arbitrary. We could equally well slice africa down the middle vertically and call that west african ancestry. What then, would be the point of this discussion about mexicans with west african ancestry?
Garcia parra has 24 hours to produce credible, preferably peer-reviewed, sources for all three of his factual claims: (1) That Emiliano Zapata was not part black, (2) That the genetic studies cited are biased, and (3) That Spaniards always outnumbered Africans in colonial Mexico. Failing that, he will be suspended for one month.
Regarding the first item, garciaparra pointed out that his claim that Zapata had no subsaharan ancestry was in response to DH's claim that Zapata did have subsaharan ancestry, so the burden of proof lies with the first claim. This is correct. Garciaparra need not provide a source for the first item until DH does.
Nevertheless, Garciaparra has made no effort to address the other two items and so his posting privilege is hereby suspended until June 9, 2007.
I have no proof but for Steve Sailers article...and he is no expert, so I will just say "it is Steve Sailer's opinion" that Zapata had subSaharan African Ancestory.
Sal, where do you come up with this stuff? Seriously, every time I hear about how this or that ethnic group looks its coming from you or oevega. Do you just spend all your time researching random ethnic groups? Haha.
Sal, where do you come up with this stuff? Seriously, every time I hear about how this or that ethnic group looks its coming from you or oevega. Do you just spend all your time researching random ethnic groups? Haha.
Ethnic studies and I live around a ton of AfroMexicans.
If you are speaking about this one:
http://members.aol.com/fsln/
Some info is accurate, some is speculative, especially the Olmec claims (they do use the word apparently though).
You don't get it.That is exact averaging of features. That person is exactly 40% African in phenotype. That you state that he looks indigenous to you speaks volumes about your ability to eyeball who doesn't have African ancestry.
You don't get it.That is exact averaging of features. That person is exactly 40% African in phenotype. That you state that he looks indigenous to you speaks volumes about your ability to eyeball who doesn't have African ancestry.
How did you come up with your average?
This is what a 40% black Mexican looks like
Tomas Campo
Melvin Brown 1/4 black Mexican look how black he looks lol
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His paternal grandparents immigrated to Mexico from Jamaica.
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