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ImBack
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 Posted: Wed 16 May 2007 21:25 Post subject: PRIVATE MESSAGES AND BOARDERLINE RACIST LANGUAGE |
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As everyone knows, I called Sanfoko a mayate in a private message I sent him. I did this in private to avoid violating the rules of the board, which so far as I can tell, do not apply to private messages. He deserved what he got.
To clarify where I was coming from. I did not mean mayate in a racist sense, although it can be used in that way. It is also an ethnic slur akin to the term "wetback". It has to do with your identity, and not your biological "race". That was the way in which I was using it.
I would NEVER EVER call a black person a mayate just for being black. I would only use it for a distasteful african american regardless of how light skinned or mixed they maybe. So If i am a racist for hating my own race so be it. I never said mulattos cant be mayates as well.
Now, what guidelines have I violated. What rule have I broken? None at all.
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fwsweet
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| Posted: Wed 16 May 2007 21:30 Post subject: |
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| You deleted the "stomp stomp stomp" message. Please do not do that. You can go back and edit things (lightly) but if you delete entire messages it can leave the thread uninintelligible. |
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G-Man
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| Posted: Fri 18 May 2007 12:32 Post subject: Re: PRIVATE MESSAGES AND BOARDERLINE RACIST LANGUAGE |
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| TheMulattoKid wrote: | As everyone knows, I called Sanfoko a mayate in a private message I sent him. I did this in private to avoid violating the rules of the board, which so far as I can tell, do not apply to private messages. He deserved what he got.
To clarify where I was coming from. I did not mean mayate in a racist sense, although it can be used in that way. It is also an ethnic slur akin to the term "wetback". It has to do with your identity, and not your biological "race". That was the way in which I was using it. |
Mayate is a dung beatle, if I'm not mistaken. It is used as a racial slur by Mexicans and Chicanos against black folks. It can only be taken to be racist, so if Sankofa was outraged over that, I can see why.
| TheMulattoKid wrote: | | I would NEVER EVER call a black person a mayate just for being black. I would only use it for a distasteful african american regardless of how light skinned or mixed they maybe. So If i am a racist for hating my own race so be it. I never said mulattos cant be mayates as well. |
That may be the case, but I doubt anyone, including Sankofa, who is called a mayate would not take it as anything but a racial slur. That is the usual meaning conveyed by most people who use it. |
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ImBack
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Oh okay Frank. Sorry, I didnt know I was not supposed to do that. Um..ive done that a few times. I wont do it anymore on this site.
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ImBack
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| Quote: | | That may be the case, but I doubt anyone, including Sankofa, who is called a mayate would not take it as anything but a racial slur. That is the usual meaning conveyed by most people who use it... |
That isnt true. It depends on who is using it and in what context. While gangbangers, who happen to me more racist as a group might use it in that sense more than the ethnic sense, other Mexicans do not. Its used as an ethnic slur the same way chicanos use the word "wetback". Many Americans are just ignorant so they translate everything slur about Black Americans into the word "nigger". Like I said, the fact that I would not apply the term to other "black" people proves, whether or not you like it, that I was using it in an ethnic sense, and not in a racial sense - races dont even exist!
Besides he has it comming accusing me of all that crap, what does he think is going to happen? If you keep accusing someone of hitting you eventually they are just gonna slap you in the face.
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High School Teacher
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| Posted: Sat 19 May 2007 01:30 Post subject: Re: PRIVATE MESSAGES AND BOARDERLINE RACIST LANGUAGE |
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| TheMulattoKid wrote: | I would NEVER EVER call a black person a mayate just for being black. I would only use it for a distasteful african american regardless of how light skinned or mixed they maybe. So If i am a racist for hating my own race so be it. I never said mulattos cant be mayates as well.
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If calling white people "wetbacks" and black people "mayate" are not racial slurs, then what is a racial slur? |
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| "Nigger" "Coon" "Darkey" "Jigaboo"...need I go on? |
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From Themulattokid:
''Oh okay Frank. Sorry, I didnt know I was not supposed to do that. Um..ive done that a few times. I wont do it anymore on this site.''
First you say you didn't know you aren't supposed to do something then you think about it with your ''um,'' then decided you do know you've done it a few times, all within the same sentence. Which is it?. Is your Etch-a-Sketch really you or are you the Etch-a-Sketch.  |
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High School Teacher
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| Posted: Sat 19 May 2007 22:43 Post subject: |
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| TheMulattoKid wrote: | | "Nigger" "Coon" "Darkey" "Jigaboo"...need I go on? |
If "mayate" is an insult targeted primarily at blacks, and "wetbacks" is primarily targeted at whites, then they are no different than "Nigger", and hence are racial slurs. |
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ImBack
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| You're a highschool teacher? |
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ImBack
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| I wonder how well your kids are able to critically interpret the meaning of words...Mayate is targeted at black Americans, but it doesnt have to imply racial inferiority, thats the point...really now...SAT anyone? |
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High School Teacher
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| TheMulattoKid wrote: | | You're a highschool teacher? |
Nice ad hominem. But I'm not biting.
I'll give you another chance to redeem yourself by answering the point. If you don't understand it then just say so. |
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High School Teacher
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| Posted: Sat 19 May 2007 22:56 Post subject: |
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| TheMulattoKid wrote: | | I wonder how well your kids are able to critically interpret the meaning of words...Mayate is targeted at black Americans, but it doesnt have to imply racial inferiority, thats the point...really now...SAT anyone? |
I didn't say anything about "inferiority". We can discuss what is and is not a racial slur without that concept, which I suspect you introduce it in an attempt to shift/blur the focus.
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High School Teacher
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| Quote: | | I would NEVER EVER call a black person a mayate just for being black. I would only use it for a distasteful african american regardless of how light skinned or mixed they maybe. |
You can put a dress and lipstick on a pig but don't expect people to think of it otherwise. No amount of sophistry will change that.
G-Man alluded to what I think is THE important point. Whether or not you mean a derogatory statement as a racial slur is beside the point. What really matters is how the person receiving the insult views it. And I would venture to say that most blackamericans rightly consider "mayate" a racial slur if for no other reason than it is a term reserved exclusively for blacks or african americans. |
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High School Teacher
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Frank,
I want to bring to your attention that sagascend issued "TheMulattokid" a first warning for ad hominem a couple of days ago.
http://onedroprule.org/viewtopic.php?t=3341
As you probably noticed from his above post to me, he still hasn't got the message. Do as you see fit. |
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ImBack
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What "ad hominem" attack are you talking about? I was asking if you really are a high school teacher. Really, dont be so paranoid. 
| Quote: | | I'll give you another chance to redeem yourself by answering the point. If you don't understand it then just say so. |
Now this is a true ad hominem attack.
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ImBack
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| Quote: | | ...Whether or not you mean a derogatory statement as a racial slur is beside the point. [b]What really matters is how the person receiving the insult views it... |
Incorrect. How a person views an insult depends on their own perception. That is a rediculous measuring stick. For instance, if I view the term Jew in a derogatory sense when applied to me, then it might be, according to your logic, a racist slur, though the person who said it could have intended a different meaning.
How long will we spend arguing over this. You wont win. Although I do say, I like your "in your face" attitude. It makes it more fun. 
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ImBack
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| A racist slur can only be viewed as one that neccesitates a connotation of biological, racial inferiority. That is the true meaning of "racist". If it applies only to an ethnic group, then it is an ethnic slur. You know, I allways found it interesting how Americans are so quick to apply the word "racist" to anything that doesn't sit well with them. I wonder how many "racist" statements you've made, going by this kind of thinking. |
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High School Teacher
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| Posted: Sun 20 May 2007 03:33 Post subject: |
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| TheMulattoKid wrote: | What "ad hominem" attack are you talking about? I was asking if you really are a high school teacher. Really, dont be so paranoid.
| Quote: | | I'll give you another chance to redeem yourself by answering the point. If you don't understand it then just say so. |
Now this is a true ad hominem attack.
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It matters little what you or I think is an ad hominem. It's the Administrator's and Moderator's call. |
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ImBack
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Well if the administrator decides that what I said counts as an ad hominem attack then you are just as f*$%d as I am. 
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