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PostPosted: Thu 21 Apr 2005 20:32    Post subject: What box do you check for Race? Reply with quote

Afternoon All,

This racial identity, and especially biracial identity issue is a hot topic on a number of different boards as I'm sure you all know.

I really think it's great people are discussing/debating this issue because it means the days of automatically racially pigeonholding (one-dropping) mixed heritage (black/white, black/white/native american, etc...) people against their will are slowly coming to an end.

Thank GOD.

I just wanted to share a discussion/debate/at times drag-out fight we're having at BWWBC. (Black Women With Biracial Children)

http://bwwbc.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=Children&action=display&num=1036413943

I think it's ironic those of us (the majority at the site) who are black/biracial mothers of mixed heritage children - at a site that is supposed to be devoted to our special issues which are naturally different than the concerns of mothers of full black children - are having to defend our right & responsibility to raise our half white (hispanic, asian, etc...) children to be proud of their full biracial & in some cases bicultural heritage from guess who?

The black identified one-droppist of course!

We secretly want our children to be the recipients of white privelege (at the expense of real blacks) you see.

That's what it's really all about. Not that we want our children to have a sense of wholeness and self love. Which is EVERY childs birthright.

Not because they are in fact black AND white.

What a bunch...

It is an eye opening experience indeed to enter the mind of those with a "soul patrol" outlook on life. Sad too.

I think it's VERY important that Black, self-identified Black (multigenerationally mixed), White, Biracial and all so called "races" of people SPEAK UP (online and off) and refuse to allow one-droppist bullies to poison the minds of influential young people.

Their motto is basically "you don't really have a choice". Please. It is 2005 and biracial/multiracial people (directly & by heritage) most certainly do.

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PostPosted: Thu 21 Apr 2005 23:55    Post subject: BWWBC Reply with quote

I saw a link to this site and decided to take a look. I perused the site and lurked for a few weeks then left. Over the years, I've been to many other message boards discussing topics for interracial families. A lot of the black women posting on those boards just didn't seem to relate to the topics as most of those boards were mainly dominated by white women. Often times these black women would end up on the defensive because of the way that the white women would vent about their negative experiences with black women. Some of these gripes included:

1. black women are rude to them regarding their relationships with black men.

2. black women who were mere strangers on the street would approach them and impose pushy, unsolicited "advice" and opinions on them regarding the care of their half black children and especially their daughters' hair. (For example, "Your daughter is black and her hair is not like yours, you need to put some hair GREASE on her hair and learn how to braid!")

3. black women INSIST on calling their (white women's) children black ONLY even after the white mothers express a desire for a multiracial label, then accuse the white mothers of being racists for "down-playing" the blackness of their children.

If I had to condense the two major topics of discussion on these boards dealing with interracial lifestyles, I'd say that white mothers mainly discuss:

1. The racial identity of their biracial children and where their children fit into family, and community.

2. What the heck to do with their daughter's hair! What products are best, how do they style their daughter's hair. How to explain to their daughters that they can't wear their hair out like mom can.


Being a multiracial mother, I only marginally relate to the issues discussed by white mothers. In some ways, I can relate to white mothers much more than I'm able to relate to black mothers. I also prefer a mixed identity for my children. Then, I only marginally relate to the black mothers. I'm not in a quandry about my daughter's hair like a lot of white mothers. I don't have a place on either discussion board. I'm a Mixedmom with (quadroon) mixed children. My daughter has Caucasian hair. She can wear her hair out without braids. We don't celebrate Kwanzaa.

On rare occasions, I'd see black mothers coming to those white dominated boards but the ones who stayed were the ones who weren't fanatics for the ODR. I do agree that black women in interracial relationships with biracial children have significantly different issues than white women.

I was interested enough to visit the BWWBC site. I felt extremely inhibited to participate in the discussions. I absolutely DO NOT feel a need to indoctrinate my children on black issues nor insist that they call themselves black. I know that this attitude with not go over at all on that site. Someone started a thread on this board about how many of the mothers on the board had blue or green eyed children. I certainly would NOT respond to a thread like this on a site like that. Responding to that thread would be like walking into a mine field. A few mothers responded and just as I suspected, it didn't take long at all for the "why are you talking about this, it sounds like you're glad that your children's eyes aren't brown" responses to surface. Any type of discussion that speaks positively about the Caucasian characteristics of these biracial children is immediately challenged and reacted to as an assault to blacks. There's too much insecurity. It doesn't matter how innocent the discussion is. There are some black women on that board who aren't ultra fanatical about the ODR. I don't feel like getting into pointless arguments with illogical people who on the one hand will argue that it's racist for white people to distance themselves from mulattos by referring to mulattos as black only and then on the other hand will call the mulatto a racist and accuse him of "you just don't want to be black!" when the mulatto self identifies as multiracial. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 04:28    Post subject: Again and Again etc. Reply with quote

To: Mixedmom and others,
I will preface this by acknowledging that I am a very strong multi/biracial Nationalist and will NOT Lay down anymore for one droppist. I believe mixedmom is 100% right in how she raises her children. Why? because they appear to be happy and well-adjusted etc. also it is her right to raise her children the best way she sees fit. I am so sick and tired of the MAJORITY of Self Identified black americans and there low self -esteem and poor me pity role. After years of self contemplation and talking intermittently to other mixed persons I have come to the conclusion that SIB Americans are suffering from guess what??????????????Jealousy. It's that simple. Why else would they be so concerned with what we are doing and how we choose to define ourselves and our children. Honestly, I think at this point in my life i'm just disgusted and at times want to just throw in the towel and acquiesce. However, the responsibility of our people is one of my life's ambitions (No i'm not as eloquent and articulate as A.D. Powell or Dr. Javier Nelson.....Only once in a lifetime do you come across those type(s) of gifted people) i'm just a guy that has a very, very strong love for multi/biracial persons. Boards like the above-mentioned are for people to come and feel safe, to be able to ask the questions that, in their mind, might seem stupid or offensive but they just don't know the answer to. The board(s) are not for racial bullies to come and impose their foolishness on unsuspecting mothers who want nothing more than to raise their child to be proud INDIVIDUALS. Gawd, at the risk of being redundant I truly believe we are in a war with people who a) have no respect for others and b) no respect for themselves. Furthermore I feel that we are beautiful people and children that really only want to be left alone and free from discrimination. Sound corny or silly? It might but ultimately it's the reason America was built

Much Mucho, amor, Love for my mixed brothers and sisters..........
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 13:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I truly believe we are in a war with people who a) have no respect for others and b) no respect for themselves. Furthermore I feel that we are beautiful people and children that really only want to be left alone and free from discrimination."

This is true.

And it is a war that must be fought on different fronts. Sites like this, with the wealth of information that is shared, provide needed intellectual ammunition.

Really, I needed to vent somewhere...

The discussion on BWWBC became a "battle" of black vs. biracial to some, relatively late in the message thread.

http://bwwbc.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=Children&num=1036413943&action=display&start=165

And I think you may really be on to something about this jealosy issue Worthman_J.

I merely mentioned the word in a post and apparently hit a very sensitive nerve...

My comment:

"Light-skinned Blacks like me get that 'you think you're better than us' nonsense no matter how we identify. That's just the truth of it."

This is true EclecticMix. Everyone - whether they want to admit it or not - knows this to be the case.

It is certainly true if you speak standard english, appear to be/are a member of the middle or upper-middle class, and dress preppy.

It ESPECIALLY happens if you're married/date "interracialy" and have clearly biracial/white-looking children.

Many of us have stories we could tell pertaining to this issue.

It is a myth that all "people of color" are one big happy and accepting family. It's not the case now, never has been, and never will be.

On an individual (and hopefully familial) level yes. On a GROUP level? Hell no.

That's unfortunate but a reality.

The sooner folks realize this the better.

It's best to try to surround yourself and your children with positive people with high self-esteem. Be they "black", "biracial", "white", etc... Whatever the so called "race" or color.

Haters will continue to hate because they are jeoluse, & lack self-love and acceptance. But the world keeps on spinning...

We must tune out, or avoid people/situations that bring out negativity.

Life is TOO short to waste it on bull s--t.

It is low self-esteem that causes some blacks to say or act as if we (light/lighter-skinned black/biracial folks) think we're "better" than them. Truth is they subconsciously believe this THEMSELVES.

It's called projection. When a person can't accept something within themselves, (ones appearance/"racial" heritage, sexuality, etc...) those people outside of themselves - who remind them of the rejected/painful issue - are viewed as "the problem".

Too many blacks subconsciously attribute true "beauty", "intelligence", "civilization", etc... to whites because of the constant bombardment of these racist hurtful notions daily.

That's why there is this great desire by many to "pull back" into the "black camp" biracial people who wish to assert an identity that is multiple instead of singularly black. Kicking and screaming if need be.

So that "the black race" TOO can have these "positive qualities".

"Blacks" can ALSO be fair, blonde/blue eyed, keen featured, straight-haired etc...

Just like "whites".

Now we all know deep down this is not true.

The enslaved blue black Africans - our beautiful anscestors - that came to this country by force did NOT look like Mariah Carey, Thandie Newton, Vanessa Williams, Adam Clayton Powell Jr., Rick Fox, Jennifer Beals, Derek Jeter, Amanda Marshall, Prince, Eartha Kitt's & Rae Dawn Chong's daughter etc...

"Blacks" who come in a variety of different skin-tones/hair textures and colors, etc... are really "Black/White", "Black/White/Native-american" in heritage.

We all know this, but it's a crime (to some) to admit it publicly.

Some black people - especially the underclass - FEAR biracial people claiming their mixed black AND white (or partial asian/native-american/indian etc...) heritage & identity because they are scared their "support network" will disappear.

It's no secret that historically and to this very day the majority of the "talented 10th" that W.E.B DuBois referred to, the "care-takers" and "protectors" of "the race" are by and large (of course less so now than in the past) "mixed-race"/"mulatto"/"light-skinned blacks".

In my opinion, I think some blacks may feel biracial people that are in positions of power (especially those in the media) are the true/natural "leaders" in the black community.

If there is a mass "defection" of these "blacks" it is reasoned, than heaven help the majority. The underclass. The poor. The ones who can't "pass" as one-droppist say.

Regardless of what one calls themself, if one gives back and try's to make this a better world, isn't that what's really important?

Don't actions speak louder than words?

Shouldn't they?

I might be getting off topic now so I'll cool it.

Just throwing some ideas out there. Some IMO's...

EclecticMix, I must say you are right on target when it comes to pointing out the importance of teaching the complete story.

Those possesing two or more heritages have every right to feel pride in their complete selves.

Everyone, black, white, and other has something positive culturally and historically to bring to the table.

In response:

"I think that it is people like YOU who believe that black people, in general, who realize that blacks who claim to be "biracial" are actual just black are being "jealous haters" are the problem. If you want to pretend that "biracial" people don't get social and political benefits for using that term (and they do just by the way they look, just like they did during slavery and since then, as I said in my post) you are in denial. I never said that all white Americans were slaveholders...if I did, please find me that post. What I DID say was that if you are white American and you are trying to have your child claim "whiteness" what are you trying to get them to embrace? What about your "whiteness" are you proud of and do you recognize and experience on a daily basis. We talk about our experiences with being black, the prejudice we face within the black community (and, just an FYI, I have gotten the "you think you are better" because of the way I look and talk, so that is not something that "biracial" people experience alone...like you said, you have experienced it...so have I). We experience our blackness in society, we have issues that are important politically, and we have a certain community in this country. If you want to act like there are sub-"races" within the human race, whatever...I'm not gonna argue that again, but what we are talking about here is culture, nationality, and color. If your man is white American and trying to saddle your kid with some obscure nationality, like Irish American or whatever, ask him how that affects him personally, in society, politically and in his daily life. Was he planning on teaching his children about their "Irish-American-ness" before he got with a woman of color or is this a new thing? Never did I say that all people of color are one united community...you implied that I did, so if you can find that, that would be great. I wish that we were, but we are not. That's one of the reasons that I don't call myself African American...nothing about my experience, culture or self-identity is African...I would have to go back hundreds of years to find an ancestor who was from African. I am American and my experience and culture is that of a black American. You talk about these people who don't look like the blue-black Africans who came over here...lmao...take a look at my family...we don't look like we just got off the boat!!! lmao...but that doesn't change the fact that we are ALL black Americans (except my adoptive mother who is white American of German extraction and the only thing that she knows about being German is what she has read in books and eating sauerkraut and bratwurst...which everyone does in Cincinnati, Ohio!). My birth mother and my sister will tell people that they have a white mother to explain their features, but they are both strong, black women who identify as such. If you guys what to saddle your kids with a fence-riding "biracial" label, go for it!! I'm not "telling" you or pressuring you to do otherwise, but I do strongly disagree with it for many reasons, which I listed above. Do I think that so-called "biracial" people are better than me? No, but I will not hide my head in the sand and pretend that they aren't treated as such and that using that term helps them socially and politically. I have seen it my whole life and I will be damned if my future children will use some vague "whiteness" to their social and political advantage and to the detriment of the black community. If that were the case, I would tell them to call themselves house negroes not to be confused with field n*ggers."

"I absolutely DO NOT feel a need to indoctrinate my children on black issues nor insist that they call themselves black."

I totally feel you mixedmom.

It is our responsiblity as parents to foster high self-esteem in our children. We must teach them to love & accept themselves fully. Including the beauty of their blended heritage. And we must protect them from one-dropist who wish to indoctrinate them with their lies and bitterness.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 14:11    Post subject: What is wrong with People Reply with quote

Ah Sheeshhhhhhhh,
Zsana, mixedmom and others it hurts my heart to hear of the stupidity in which you and your children have to endure from ODRs. But what I want you to know is that when I have children I hope to be as strong and classy in the face of absolute absurd stupidity as you both are. Zsana, who is "IN REPSONSE"? does she suffer from some type of personality disorder? tell her to go read A.D. Powells eloquent and intellectual writings on "Passing for who I really am" instead of making idiotic statements based on her insecurities and self-rightousness. Again I will say to the majority of self identified black Americans..........Grow up the majority of you have much more important things to worry about e.g. illegitamacy rates, crime etc. in your communities than about how we choose to define ourselves. As for my mult/biracial sisters and brother (And their respective partners) SAY NO TO THE RACIAL RAPE, BULLYING AND KIDNAPPING OF OUR PEOPLE AND CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love for all brown, beige, gray, red, yellow brothers and sisters,

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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 17:53    Post subject: low self esteem Reply with quote

*It is low self-esteem that causes some blacks to say or act as if we (light/lighter-skinned black/biracial folks) think we're "better" than them. Truth is they subconsciously believe this THEMSELVES.

Ty: Let's not assume that it's one side, light/lighter-skinned black/biracial folks) instigate similar things towards Blacks. In my younger years I was one in a group who would taunt "big lipped, dark skinned, nappy haired" black kids, let's not play victim here. What do you call it when a green eyed lighter skinned kinky haired girl, bullies a light skinned, brown eyed, wavy haired girl? Don't think it doesn't happen, my cousin Cynthia for 1 school year would get beaten up, and bullied weekly...



*Too many blacks subconsciously attribute true "beauty", "intelligence", "civilization", etc... to whites because of the constant bombardment of these racist hurtful notions daily.

Ty:This is true, but this falls across the whole board. So we can say 'Too many black, biracial, latino, italian, jewish, asians subconsciously attribute true beauty, intelligence, civilization etc etc to whites ... each of these groups have it to different degrees, and I will say that the 'constant bombardment of these racist hurtful notions... are found in school books, commercials, movies, beauty magazines. And even though men are 'indirectly affected' Women are directly affected.

I saw a commercial about womens hair(shampoo maybe) and on the street were tons of women of every conceivable ethnic background all wearing blond straight wigs...the commercial said 'what if women were taught to appreciate their natural hair' to that extent. And the women began throwing those wigs off

*:That's why there is this great desire by many to "pull back" into the "black camp" biracial people who wish to assert an identity that is multiple instead of singularly black. Kicking and screaming if need be.

So that "the black race" TOO can have these "positive qualities".

Ty: Let's also remember that it is mixed & biracial Black identified who are also doing this. When we deal with the politics of it, we are also dealing with a hierarchy in the NAACP who most of the members are mixed / biracial / multiracial

* "Blacks" can ALSO be fair, blonde/blue eyed, keen featured, straight-haired etc...

Just like "whites".

Now we all know deep down this is not true.

The enslaved blue black Africans - our beautiful anscestors - that came to this country by force did NOT look like Mariah Carey, Thandie Newton, Vanessa Williams, Adam Clayton Powell Jr., Rick Fox, Jennifer Beals, Derek Jeter, Amanda Marshall, Prince, Eartha Kitt's & Rae Dawn Chong's daughter etc...

Ty: True


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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 17:56    Post subject: re: What's wrong with People Reply with quote

Grow up the majority of you have much more important things to worry about e.g. illegitamacy rates, crime etc. in your communities than about how we choose to define ourselves. As for my mult/biracial sisters and brother (And their respective partners) SAY NO TO THE RACIAL RAPE, BULLYING AND KIDNAPPING OF OUR PEOPLE AND CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ty: Are you saying the mixed/biracial/multiracial people are not contributing to this?

that last line sounds really extreme
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 18:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"I think that it is people like YOU who believe that black people, in general, who realize that blacks who claim to be "biracial" are actual just black are being "jealous haters" are the problem. If you want to pretend that "biracial" people don't get social and political benefits for using that term (and they do just by the way they look, just like they did during slavery and since then, as I said in my post) you are in denial. I never said that all white Americans were slaveholders...if I did, please find me that post. What I DID say was that if you are white American and you are trying to have your child claim "whiteness" what are you trying to get them to embrace? What about your "whiteness" are you proud of and do you recognize and experience on a daily basis. We talk about our experiences with being black, the prejudice we face within the black community (and, just an FYI, I have gotten the "you think you are better" because of the way I look and talk, so that is not something that "biracial" people experience alone...like you said, you have experienced it...so have I). We experience our blackness in society, we have issues that are important politically, and we have a certain community in this country. If you want to act like there are sub-"races" within the human race, whatever...I'm not gonna argue that again, but what we are talking about here is culture, nationality, and color. If your man is white American and trying to saddle your kid with some obscure nationality, like Irish American or whatever, ask him how that affects him personally, in society, politically and in his daily life. Was he planning on teaching his children about their "Irish-American-ness" before he got with a woman of color or is this a new thing? Never did I say that all people of color are one united community...you implied that I did, so if you can find that, that would be great. I wish that we were, but we are not. That's one of the reasons that I don't call myself African American...nothing about my experience, culture or self-identity is African...I would have to go back hundreds of years to find an ancestor who was from African. I am American and my experience and culture is that of a black American. You talk about these people who don't look like the blue-black Africans who came over here...lmao...take a look at my family...we don't look like we just got off the boat!!! lmao...but that doesn't change the fact that we are ALL black Americans (except my adoptive mother who is white American of German extraction and the only thing that she knows about being German is what she has read in books and eating sauerkraut and bratwurst...which everyone does in Cincinnati, Ohio!). My birth mother and my sister will tell people that they have a white mother to explain their features, but they are both strong, black women who identify as such. If you guys what to saddle your kids with a fence-riding "biracial" label, go for it!! I'm not "telling" you or pressuring you to do otherwise, but I do strongly disagree with it for many reasons, which I listed above. Do I think that so-called "biracial" people are better than me? No, but I will not hide my head in the sand and pretend that they aren't treated as such and that using that term helps them socially and politically. I have seen it my whole life and I will be damned if my future children will use some vague "whiteness" to their social and political advantage and to the detriment of the black community. If that were the case, I would tell them to call themselves house negroes not to be confused with field n*ggers."


My personal philosophies are very different from the poster quoted above. If someone tells me that their mother is white but they are black, that information does not signify strength of character to me. It's just simply the way they see themselves. Why do these women feel that they need to explain their features anyway? Why are folks asking them about their features if black indeed comes in all colors?

The language used to describe this poster's take on the biracial label is the same caustic language that makes mixed people feel that they must choose sides. "Fence-riding" is not what the multiracial/biracial label is about. The poster uses the term "vague whiteness" to imply an accusation that the multiracial is attempting to be white on the sly. The self identified mulatto/multiracial label is a social label like black or white that expresses ones social identity. This poster is entitled to her opinion but ultimately, no one else can choose for me what box to mark on whatever form, who I marry, where I live, how I choose to spend my money, what type of music I listen to, what to teach my children, what community to associate with or what to self identify as.

Everyone must look out for their own best interests. This woman believes that she must, for the sake of black solidarity, deny her children their own personal philosophies if they're not in sync with hers and put roadblocks up to deny them social and political advantages if her children are lucky enough to have access to these advantages. She states in fact, that she'd be DAMNED to let this happen. This sounds like the ranting of a brainwashed person. None of this will accomplish the purpose for which she intends, to uplift the black community. It'll only keep her children down. It's one thing to choose to hire a qualified applicant if you're in a position to do so and not hold their ethnicity against them. It's quite another to hold yourself back when you're allowed through a barrier that someone else is stopped at.

Obviously, this aspect of the black mindset does not have the multiracial's best interest at heart. ODR ideology is being used to place mental roadblocks in the minds and hearts of multiracials so that our white heritage will not be embraced and acknowledged but simply reduced to nothing more than an explanation for light skin, light eyes, soft hair, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 18:51    Post subject: RE: Response Reply with quote

Ty: Are you saying the mixed/biracial/multiracial people are not contributing to this?

Could you explain further?

that last line sounds really extreme

Extreme in what context?

Could you tell me how many biracial/mixed/multiracial groups, AS A WHOLE, e.g. like the black NAACP or Farrakans NOI, try and circumvent SIBs movements by forcefully trying to associate them with biracial/mixed/multiracial groups?
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 19:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ty: Are you saying the mixed/biracial/multiracial people are not contributing to this?

Could you explain further?

Ty: that it is mixed/biracial/multiracial (weither or not the they identitfy that way or not)are contributing to those social ills you described (by the way that is only to a particular part of the 'so called black community)

that last line sounds really extreme

Extreme in what context?

Could you tell me how many biracial/mixed/multiracial groups, AS A WHOLE, e.g. like the black NAACP or Farrakans NOI, try and circumvent SIBs movements by forcefully trying to associate them with biracial/mixed/multiracial groups?

the 'black' NAACP is predominately run by 'mixed people'


it's a hierarchy, by defining as non-black you/we/they are threatening that political power structure, that is passed down to their next generation.

NOI, which was started by a white man (W.D.Fard)
& Elijah Mohammed (black/native) or (black/white) admixture

lol I'm sorry, I'm always slow with the terminologys, what is SIB?
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ty,

I think SIB means Self Identified Blacks.

And I agree with you. ANY kind of taunting, name calling, abuse, etc... based on looks by any group, whether by "blacks", "biracials", or others is flat out wrong.

Period.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 22:21    Post subject: RE: Repsonses Reply with quote

Gemini,

I should of clarified my point(s) on racial bullying etc. I apologize that wasn't very responsible of me looking at my statement in hindsight.

What i meant and should have said was" Racial rape and kidnapping by one droppists e.g. "white liberals", black identified mulattos, and self identified blacks.

Your absolutely 100% right about the NAACP and my question is were the mult/biracial people, that espouse to circumvent our movement of self -identification etc.and label temselves as "black", given the choice in their respective childhoods to identify with what they feel the most comfortable with? I would say, at this point, no they weren't. One of the most ironic and sad arguments i've heard one-droppists, primarily self-identified blacks, is: "You will never be accepted into the white community because to them your just another *fill in whatever racial slur has been said". In essence, they mean that nobody will accept you except us. However, and this is the funny part, they will demand that you only identify yourself as black and nothing else.

Insofar as the "black" crime and illegitimacy stats. I, along with some professors are working on a small scale project in which multi/biracial persons are recognized as a separate race in the data analysis of these statistics. I am more than willing to explain the theories and construct of our project but It would take to long to do so on here. For anyone thats interested drop me a line and i'll send you some of our overview on the said project.

I don't understand where name calling has come into play?

Much adoration and love for BBYRG brothers and sisters
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PostPosted: Fri 22 Apr 2005 22:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

"And I agree with you. ANY kind of taunting, name calling, abuse, etc... based on looks by any group, whether by "blacks", "biracials", or others is flat out wrong."

This comment was in reference to Ty's comment...

"Let's not assume that it's one side, light/lighter-skinned black/biracial folks) instigate similar things towards Blacks. In my younger years I was one in a group who would taunt "big lipped, dark skinned, nappy haired" black kids, let's not play victim here. What do you call it when a green eyed lighter skinned kinky haired girl, bullies a light skinned, brown eyed, wavy haired girl? Don't think it doesn't happen, my cousin Cynthia for 1 school year would get beaten up, and bullied weekly..."

Wortman_J,

This project of yours sounds interesting. Please share the results.

And welcome to the group!

Felicia
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PostPosted: Sat 23 Apr 2005 03:45    Post subject: Thank you again for the welcome. I'm honored Reply with quote

Zsana,

Thank for the welcome and I will certainly share the results of our project with anyone. In fact in talking to my advisor i think we're going to design a website that documents are findings.

I think I need to articulate that I feel i'm a Sociologist by nature and profession and my ultimate goal is to seek the truth........And sometimes the truth can be extremely telling and ugly.
Although i'm very passionate about this movement I will never ever let that passion become a biasness in my sociological studies.

Much heart and warmness for my beige, brown, yellow, red, and gray brothers and sisters,

Wortman_J
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