Posted: Tue 12 Jun 2007 01:21 Post subject: Frank, when di the concept of White originate?
Wiki claims:
Historians such as Theodore Allen (1994; 1997) have analyzed colonial records from Virginia and concluded that the idea of a "white race" was originally invented in the early 18th century to splice together various European ethnic groups who never before thought they had anything in common. Noel Ignatiev (1995) has written an historical analysis of how the Irish became members of the "white race" in the 19th century.
Posted: Tue 12 Jun 2007 01:29 Post subject: Re: Frank, when di the concept of White originate?
Salsassin wrote:
Wiki claims:
Historians such as Theodore Allen (1994; 1997) have analyzed colonial records from Virginia and concluded that the idea of a "white race" was originally invented in the early 18th century to splice together various European ethnic groups who never before thought they had anything in common. Noel Ignatiev (1995) has written an historical analysis of how the Irish became members of the "white race" in the 19th century. How accurate is that?
How accurate is what?
That the term White replaced Christian as the most common designation for European colonists (as opposed to Africans and Native Americans) "in the early 18th century"? As far as I know it is reasonably accurate, perhaps a decade or two too late. According to Winthrop Jordan, as I recall, the term first appeared late in the 17th century and replaced the older term within a generation or two.
That Noel Ignatiev wrote a historical analysis of how the Irish became members of the "white race" in the 19th century? Very accurate. Ignatiev did indeed write How the Irish Became White (New York: Routledge, 1995). It was his doctoral dissertation. Stephan Thernstrom was his advisor. He kind of went off the deep end after that, with Race Traitor, but his dissertation is still respected.
OK. I was curious. because I saw hombres blancos contrasted with etiopes much earlier in spanish.
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Párrafo nº 3.
las tierras de los galos picardos & de los bregoños y por la tierra de Bretaña y por las tierras a que dizen Alarquebia, que quiere dezir la Gran Tierra, y por la tierra de Gascoña y por los Alpes de Burdeaux & por las tierras de España & acábase en la Isla de Cáliz, que pobló Hércules una iglesia, que es a la ribera de la mar quanto a dos leguas del castillo de Cáliz & fue labrada por mojón & pusiéronle nombre los que vinieron después Sant Pedro & nunca este nombre perdió; & dízenle agora Sancte Petre, ca assí gelo mandaron los otros.
El tercio de Asia es partido en dos partes. La una es la parte de Oriente & comiença del río de Eúfrates fasta baxo de España y dízenle Asia la Menor. & a la mano derecha desta Asia la Menor es la mar que dizen la Mar de India & a la parte de Cierço della son las tierras de Cam & a la parte del Mediodía della son las tierras de Alcinde y de Alegag y a la partida de los etíopes, que dizen canículos porque comen a los hombres blancos do los pueden aver. Y el río de Eúfrates aparte entre Asia la Mayor y Asia la Menor. E al otro cabo desta Asia la Menor es el Olimio y el desierto & ay entre la tierra de África & el desierto unas sierras a que dizen Cirbedarán & tiénense con aquellas sierras unos arenales que son de arena menuda como el polvo; & muévense los vientos y lançan aquel polvo de un logar a otro & a las vezes fázese muy gran monte, que parece que allí fue siempre echada. & cabe este desierto anduvieron los fijos de Israel quarenta años fasta que llegó el plazo a que Dios quiso que entrasen en la tierra de Cananea. & poblose la tierra del fijo de Noé, que es Asia la Menor contra la parte de los fijos de Israel, y poblose la tierra de Arabia, que es en la provincia de Meca; & los otros moravan en tierra de Cananea, que es en la provincia de Jerusalén.
Y el otro tercio de África comiença de Alexandría con una partida de la provincia de
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AÑO: 1300 - 1305
AUTOR: Anónimo
TÍTULO: Libro del cavallero Cifar
PAÍS: ESPAÑA
TEMA: 12.Relato extenso novela y otras formas similares
PUBLICACIÓN: Juan Manuel Cacho Blecua, Universidad de Zaragoza (Zaragoza), 2003
la partida de los etíopes, que dizen canículos porque comen a los hombres blancos
Now that is interesting. I do not think that anyone has noticed this before. It suggests that the word (with the meaning) was bouncing around in Spanish for centuries before it supplanted "Christian" in English. As the Wiki implies, Theodore Allen, The Invention of the White Race, 2 vols. (London: Verso, 1994) is the most detailed study of the origins of the U.S. "race" notion and Allen does not mention it. When we get back stateside, I will rummage through my stuff to confirm my impression that nobody has ever noticed this etymology before.
la partida de los etíopes, que dizen canículos porque comen a los hombres blancos
Now that is interesting. I do not think that anyone has noticed this before. It suggests that the word (with the meaning) was bouncing around in Spanish for centuries before it supplanted "Christian" in English. As the Wiki implies, Theodore Allen, The Invention of the White Race, 2 vols. (London: Verso, 1994) is the most detailed study of the origins of the U.S. "race" notion and Allen does not mention it. When we get back stateside, I will rummage through my stuff to confirm my impression that nobody has ever noticed this etymology before.
Yeah, I also noticed similar dates for raza negra, raza de negros, raza de moros, raza de judios, but not a specific mentioning of raza blanca until 1800. But definitely the usage fo hombres blancos in similar context.
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