Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 02:54 Post subject: Asian huh?
George, you make great points. I must agree that the concept of a racialized ethnicity is all about political and social power. You know, Black ethnicity started up in 1790, and was not complete untill around 1890, judging by some of Franks essays on the colorline. Asians have only been here in force for a hundred years, i dont find it surprising at all that they are now crystallizing a pan-asian racial / ethnic identity. All such identities have bullshit myths, why shouldnt Asians have the same? I mean, you cant tell them its wrong anymore you can tell the Latins that theirs is wrong. But still, you are correct that such identities are counter-factual.
Sal, thanks for the info but youre about 3 years too late. I know very well what Britts think of as Asian, but lets see, hmmmm, were talking about 60 million brits versus 850 million Americans (continentally speaking). Obviously, brits dont really matter when it comes down to the numbers. Anyway, no i did not ask Asian kids what they consider Asian, I read what some of them have to say about Asian identity on Asian websites and Hapa websites, and I think they know better than either you or I do. I have observed Asian identity thinking and behavior personally, and I told you allready, EAST ASIAN, so Indians dont ***()# count. Those are my sources, all of them secondary or primary, now where are yours?
As for stereotypes, Sal, what is it that you are getting at? That races dont exist? That these are not good names for such races? If so, those are rediculous and immaterial points. Obviously I could pull a name out of my ass to describe any group of people that I want. Asian is what Asians have embraced for themselves. If they would like to change their opinions, then I have no problem with it. As I understand it, this is the way they see it, even in Brittain I expect they see it this way, although they may feel differently. So what is it that you are trying to get at?
I sure hate it when people trip on stereotyping, speaking candidly, categorizing, and making generalizations.
For your info, Sal, you make a stereotypic judgement every time you look at a human face. You subconsciously compare it to template "racial" faces you have stored in memory. YOu do this subcosciously, because everyone does it. I read this several places on the internet a while back on psychology websites, and have also read it in my psych text books for school. Do you have a problem with this behavior? If not, then dontcha think its just a lil bit hypocritical to get on someone for stereotyping when its something you do yourself?
Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 06:57 Post subject: Re: Asian huh?
TheMulattoKid wrote:
Sal, thanks for the info but youre about 3 years too late. I know very well what Britts think of as Asian, but lets see, hmmmm, were talking about 60 million brits versus 850 million Americans (continentally speaking).
And since when do the masses define what is right or wrong? So I guess the earth was flat in the middle ages. What about Australians. Do you factor them in as well? Or what about Latin Americans? We don't call them Asians. So much for your numbers.
[quote[I read what some of them have to say about Asian identity on Asian websites and Hapa websites, and I think they know better than either you or I do.[/quote]
YOu mean you read on English speaking websites with mostly American Asians. Try using a traslator and actually going to an Asian site.
So sorry, your sources are just subjective puff.
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As for stereotypes, Sal, what is it that you are getting at? That races dont exist? That these are not good names for such races? If so, those are rediculous and immaterial points.
It's ridiculous, but you keep on promoting it.
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For your info, Sal, you make a stereotypic judgement every time you look at a human face. You subconsciously compare it to template "racial" faces you have stored in memory. YOu do this subcosciously, because everyone does it. I read this several places on the internet a while back on psychology websites, and have also read it in my psych text books for school.
Go back and read them again. SOrry, but racial concepts did not always exist and not all people racialize. Sure you have mental schemas, bu not all of them are based on race.
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