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Hanzou Mentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 16:15 Post subject: Halle Berry pregnant? |
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http://people.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1239587.php/Halle_Berry_pregnant
Not that I usually care about actors and such, but I find it fascinating that out of all the men Halle Berry dated, the actress ended up getting pregnant by a white guy. Of course she was always aware of her mixedness, which is why the majority of men she dated tended to be of her general "mixed" appearance. I've never seen her dating a "true" black person at any point in her career.
I wonder how that will effect her image as the one of the most beautiful "black woman" on Earth, and how will that influence black male attitudes towards her and her films. |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 16:25 Post subject: |
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| Wesley Snipes sure wasn't. |
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Sankofa Mentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 16:42 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Of course she was always aware of her mixedness, which is why the majority of men she dated tended to be of her general "mixed" appearance. I've never seen her dating a "true" black person at any point in her career. |
What does a "true black person" look like?
And for your information, before "White" folks knew who she was or before the "Multiracial" zealots claimed her and before she had the nose job, she was seen as just a "Black" woman. She was exclusively featured in "Black"-oriented films and was a "nobody" in "White" Hollywood before Spike Lee discovered her. Not to mention, plenty of "true black" men (whatever that means) have "hit that" in the past and not all of them looked like her. Ask Wesley Snipes if I'm lying!
Seeing her get treated like a "slave" being rapped by Massa in the movie Monster's Ball pretty much confirmed what most "Blacks" already knew about her. That's why Angela Bassett turned the role because she has more class than that.
After her violent sex scene in Monster's Ball and then receiving an oscar for the role on top of it, many "Blacks" lost respect for her for even taking the role.
I wish her well with her current man and may their child be healthy and loved as a hue-man being. |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 16:54 Post subject: |
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| LMAO. What rape scene. It was consensual? What hypocrisy. She also dated Matt Damon, your point? She was called a zebra in high school, hardly just another Black woman. The only reason she identified more with Black is because of the region she lived. Cleveland is very racialized. If she had grown up in Columbus, she might have identified differently. Who knows. What do you know about who hit that? You been tracking her sex life? LOL. |
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Sankofa Mentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 18:17 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | LMAO. What rape scene. It was consensual? What hypocrisy. She also dated Matt Damon, your point? She was called a zebra in high school, hardly just another Black woman. The only reason she identified more with Black is because of the region she lived. Cleveland is very racialized. If she had grown up in Columbus, she might have identified differently. Who knows. What do you know about who hit that? You been tracking her sex life? LOL. |
I didn't say it was a rape, Sal. Re-read what was written. My point wasn't to you, Sal. My point was aimed at Hanzou and the fact that she has dated what Hanzou calls a "true black person" in her past. And if memory serves me correctly, she identified with the people who identified with her, which was "Black" people and that had more to do with the "White" people that had been mistreating her as a child. She sought comfort with people who could relate to what she was going through. And I don't "track" her sex life and could give a good got damn who she dates and/or "screws". And the rumors about Halle and her sex life have been floating around "Black" Hollywood long before "White" folks even knew who she was. |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 18:29 Post subject: |
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| Rumors are rumors. Who cares. |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 18:48 Post subject: |
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| Sankofa wrote: |
And for your information, before "White" folks knew who she was or before the "Multiracial" zealots claimed her and before she had the nose job, she was seen as just a "Black" woman. She was exclusively featured in "Black"-oriented films and was a "nobody" in "White" Hollywood before Spike Lee discovered her. |
Exclusively featured in black films? Not exactly, and Spike Lee didn’t discover her, she had been around a little while before “Jungle Fever”. That was her breakout movie, but she had been in other things, including a short-lived sitcom on television called “Living Dolls” back in 1989. She was also a Miss Ohio and I believe she almost made it to the Miss U.S.A. pageant. So she wasn’t a total unknown before the Spike Lee movie.
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Seeing her get treated like a "slave" being rapped by Massa in the movie Monster's Ball pretty much confirmed what most "Blacks" already knew about her. |
What was confirmed about her on the part of blacks after their watching the film? |
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MP mulattoprince Wizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 18:50 Post subject: |
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@ Sankofa,
Sankofa said: I didn't say it was a rape, Sal. Re-read what was written. My point wasn't to you, Sal. My point was aimed at Hanzou and the fact that she has dated what Hanzou calls a "true black person" in her past. And if memory serves me correctly, she identified with the people who identified with her, which was "Black" people and that had more to do with the "White" people that had been mistreating her as a child.
MP (Mulattoprince) said: Halle Berry only identified and sought comfort from blacks because that was the only option. It was either whites or blacks, had there been a mixed race category, and group in America like Brazil she more than likely would have identified with and sought comfort in them. She had no other choice because of th ODR. But I do see what you are saying though. |
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MP mulattoprince Wizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 18:52 Post subject: |
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| It was said that Wesley snipes is the one who caused Halle Berry to loose some of her hearing in one of her ears when he hit her. |
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sagascend SuperMentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:03 Post subject: |
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A "true" Black person?
Halle was married twice to Black men who were abusive, one physically (David Justice) and one emotionally (Eric Benet). Hardly the conditions under which pregnancies thrive, assuming that she would have wanted children at those times (a huge assumption). One might also assume that her marriages to Black men indicate a willingness to have children with that identification.
I see nothing fascinating about a women getting pregnant by a man who is, from all reports, treating her right. It happens every day. Good for her. If I was Halle I'd grab those genes too! Her man is extremely good-looking.
Many famous Black actresses have married White men (Alfre Woodard, Lynn Whitfield, Dorothy Dandrige and Lena Horne to name a few). Did their husbands' colors affected perceptions of their beauty? I doubt it, since these women are often named as beautiful Black women.
Sankofa is correct in saying that many Blacks were turned off by Halle's sex scene in Monster's Ball. It remains to be seen how influential these attitudes need to be in her life, or in any Black woman's life for that matter. The same Black men who said that the Williams sisters were ugly back in the day still have something negative to say about their choice to date White men, who obviously find them attractive. I doubt Serena or Venus lose any sleep about what Black men they don't even know think about them. Halle surely sleeps just as peacefully. |
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sagascend SuperMentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:06 Post subject: |
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| MP (mulattoprince) wrote: | | It was said that Wesley snipes is the one who caused Halle Berry to loose some of her hearing in one of her ears when he hit her. |
Christopher Williams is the other suspect. People say that one or the other did it, as both were abusive to her.
This current guy might be the first guy in her life who hasn't mistreated her. She didn't have the best taste in men, clearly. |
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Hanzou Mentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:13 Post subject: |
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| Sankofa wrote: |
What does a "true black person" look like? |
Like this;
| Quote: | | And for your information, before "White" folks knew who she was or before the "Multiracial" zealots claimed her and before she had the nose job, she was seen as just a "Black" woman. |
Ms Berry was born multiracial. Multiracial "zealots" never needed to claim her because she was multiracial by default. Her mother is white for pete's sake. |
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Salsassin SuperWizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:16 Post subject: |
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| Nope, those are dark brown as well. |
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Hanzou Mentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:16 Post subject: |
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I simply find these turn of events fascinating because it will be interesting to see how she identifies her child which will have an overwhelmingly white heritage.
Oh and Salsa is correct. If Berry had grown up in Columbus, more than likely she would have chosen a mixed identity.  |
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sagascend SuperMentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:19 Post subject: |
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| Hanzou wrote: | | Sankofa wrote: |
What does a "true black person" look like? |
Like this;
| Quote: | | And for your information, before "White" folks knew who she was or before the "Multiracial" zealots claimed her and before she had the nose job, she was seen as just a "Black" woman. |
Ms Berry was born multiracial. Multiracial "zealots" never needed to claim her because she was multiracial by default. Her mother is white for pete's sake. |
So I guess black = African to Hanzou, unless that first picture is of Katrina victims or some place in the U.S. Or maybe black = no Euro or Native admixture.
Using either definition, most Black Americans aren't black people I guess.  |
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MP mulattoprince Wizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:25 Post subject: |
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@ Sagascend,
Yes, that is correct, and I remember when Christopher Williams was asked did he hit Halle Berry and mess up her ear, he got angry and said it was not me it was Wesley Snipes. I read this a long time ago. Williams was angry because people kept saying it was him. I wonder was Williams putting it off on Snipes or is Snipes really guilty, but you are correct these two have been identified as the possible culprits which one is debatable Williams said it was Wesley who hit Hale and messed up ear. |
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Hanzou Mentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:26 Post subject: |
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| sagascend wrote: |
So I guess black = African to Hanzou, unless that first picture is of Katrina victims or some place in the U.S. Or maybe black = no Euro or Native admixture.
Using either definition, most Black Americans aren't black people I guess.  |
West African is the standard for black Americans. The more you deviate from that phenotype, the more mixed you are.
People are free to call themselves anything they wish. I simply view individuals like Berry to be "passing" as black people. |
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sagascend SuperMentor

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:31 Post subject: |
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| MP (mulattoprince) wrote: | @ Sagascend,
Yes, that is correct, and I remember when Christopher Williams was asked did he hit Halle Berry and mess up her ear, he got angry and said it was not me it was Wesley Snipes. I read this a long time ago. Williams was angry because people kept saying it was him. I wonder was Williams putting it off on Snipes or is Snipes really guilty, but you are correct these two have been identified as the possible culprits which one is debatable Williams said it was Wesley who hit Hale and messed up ear. |
That's funny! I wouldn't put it past either one of them to tell you the truth. Since Halle has never confirmed either way I'm not letting either one off the hook. We could probably add Dave Justice to the mix since he probably hit her everywhere else. |
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MP mulattoprince Wizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:32 Post subject: |
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@ Hanzou
I agree that some so called blacks are passing as black because they don't have another option with the exception of white. |
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MP mulattoprince Wizard

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Posted: Wed 05 Sep 2007 19:37 Post subject: |
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@ Sagascend
Sagascend said: That's funny! I wouldn't put it past either one of them to tell you the truth. Since Halle has never confirmed either way I'm not letting either one off the hook. We could probably add Dave Justice to the mix since he probably hit her everywhere else.
Mulattoprince said: That is so true Halle said that she would reveal who it was because it was a famous actor. I read that also, along time ago too, when she was asked who caused you to go deaf in one ear. She may have refused to reveal because she felt that saying would damage her career the time. Yeah Davis was very aggressive towards Halle also from what i have read. |
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