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lsgh
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| Quote: | | spike is black, he's just mixed race as most blacks are. |
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lsgh
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lsgh
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Grasshoppa
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First of all, imo if you're of mixed race you are BLACK AND WHITE, not neither. Of course, this does depend on your own self-identity issues, so I can't really speak on how you identify yourself.
In Spike Lee's case, I'd say he is black simply becaue he identifies as a black man. |
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lsgh
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jagirl32
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| Posted: Tue 09 Oct 2007 04:02 Post subject: spike lee's family |
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i don't know but she does'nt look that mixed to me. she looks maybe bi-racial
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lsgh
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| Posted: Tue 09 Oct 2007 04:14 Post subject: Re: spike lee's family |
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| Quote: | | i don't know but she does'nt look that mixed to me. she looks maybe bi-racial |
I suppose, ULTIMATELY, it's ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder, which explains Tribalism... |
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OTHER
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| Posted: Tue 09 Oct 2007 12:31 Post subject: Re: spike lee's family |
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| Quote: | | i don't know but she does'nt look that mixed to me. she looks maybe bi-racial |
I suppose, ULTIMATELY, it's ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder, which explains Tribalism... |
I look at this picture and all I can think is DAGGERS. I wonder if Spike Lee realizes that his red-headed daughter is going to have a life experience more similar to mulatto girls/women than to black girls/women. I REALLY hope he stopped giving interracial couples the look of daggers, since their kids and his kids might end up being each other's emotional support system! Know what I mean? By the way, that little girl is stunning. Her parents are both decent looking, but together they made one gorgeous little girl. |
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sagascend
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| Their little girl looks a lot like Spike's sister too. Same shape of face and smile. |
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MP mulattoprince
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Notice Spike married a light skin woman but give inter racial couple dirty looks. The ODR protects Spike Lee from being labeled a hypocrite. He finds mixed looking women very attractive why did he not marry a dark skin black woman that would prove he is heavily pro black. Spike will say well I married a black woman and not a white woman but yeah he married a mixed looking woman, so the ODR protects him form criticism. |
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sagascend
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| mulattoprince wrote: | | why did he not marry a dark skin black woman that would prove he is heavily pro black |
I disagree completeley. His wife, to my knowledge is an African American (Black) woman. Spike is also African American. They share the same culture. I know that people get all wrapped up in phenotype and can't seem to move past it, but give it a try. Why would Mrs. Lee's appearance preclude her from fully embracing her culture? It seems as though mulatto activists in particular have a hard time acknowledging that many if not most visibly mixed African Americans really do "feel" Black and want to maintain their culture down the line, just like a Jewish person seeking to marry within his/her culture might. I suppose I can understand because this is the "target population" for some mulatto activists, but I do struggle to understand why the cultural aspects of group identity would be foreign to a group that is working to establish its distinct cultural identity?
Spike prefers lightskinned Black women. Yawn. Does his preference have anything to do with being "pro-Black?" And why on earth would a person marry a more West African looking person to "prove" his support for "the cause," instead of marrying the person he loved? Not unless "Black" is a synonym for "sub-Saharan," and people marry others as political statements (not saying some don't, but come on).
Slight tangent: The ubiquitous use of "black" to describe "race," ethnicity and culture interchageably is against site rules but I see over and over again that the conflation is an outcome of the U.S. racialist paradigm (i.e. people can't help but conflate racial/ethnic/cultural conceptions of blackness even if they are vocal critics of the ODR). Most USAmericans do not recognize that the valid criticism of racialist positions that differ from their own is weakened by that conflation. How can a person criticize African Americans for promoting pan-Africanism or the ODR on one hand and then apply the same racial standards to various "blacks" when separating the mulatto/mixed "wheat" from the black "chaff?" How can a man such as Spike Lee be "pro Black" or "anti Black" based on what kind of Black woman he is attracted to? Is a White man married to a darkskinned Black woman "anti-White?" Do we offer "proof" of our racialist allegiances when we fall in love and marry? I suppose the answer is usually "yes" to racialists of any stripe. Phenotype matters more than anything else to racists as well as racialists it seems.
Anyway: Spike is indeed a hypocrite on racialist grounds for disapproving of cross-color line relationships. He is not a hypocrite on cultural grounds. The test would be his response to situations like these: Would Spike frown upon a Nordic looking Puerto Rican marrying a West African looking Puerto Rican? Would he get all bent out of shape if Wentworth Miller started dating Gabrielle Union and then be "relieved" if made aware of Miller's SSA ancestry? Hey he might very well fail the test and show himself to be a colorist hypocrite. In that case, he'd be extremely common in the U.S. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Tue 09 Oct 2007 14:33 Post subject: Re: RULES 4 MULATO HAVEN |
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| LSGH wrote: | | LSGH wrote: | | ummm...spike lee is phenotypically quadroon [1/4 Black] & his wife is Octoroon [1/8 White]---and BLONDE!!!. Spike AIN'T Black! |
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ummm...spike lee is phenotypically quadroon [1/4 White] & his wife is Octoroon [1/8 Black]---and BLONDE!!!. Spike AIN'T Black! |
How is spike a quadroon?
Quadroon child of a Mulatto and a European
Mulatto 1/2African 1/2 European
Marabou child of a Mulatto and an African
Griffe child of a Marabou and an African
Sacatre child of a Griffe and an African |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Tue 09 Oct 2007 14:37 Post subject: Re: No doubt... |
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| OTHER wrote: | | LSGH wrote: | | Quote: | | Anywho, I'm quite sure that "School Daze" played a significant part in my decision to attend Xavier University of Louisiana, if you know what I'm saying. |
Of course! Your're A Liberated Creole Woman!
That's one of the reasons I went to Hampton:
Which by the way is NOT Black!:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_S._Peake
OUR CREOLE FOUNDER
Now, Madame 'Other', how shall we solve our little "CULAH" problem??? |
You're funny!
Well, I went to college in New Orleans, but I am from Atlantic City, NJ. My mother is white and my father would have been considered a "light skin" or "high yella" black by many people, with his light khaki skin and his blue-green eyes. As far as ancestry goes, he was a mix of African, European, and American and West Indian. For obvious cultural purposes, I never considered myself to be Creole, but I have always considered myself to be mixed/mulatto/black&white.
Now, about what we should do about "culah". I say we bring back the word "colored", so that Americans of African descent can once again be united under one community umbrella, while still maintaining our separate identities of black, mulatto, Creole, etc. What do you think? |
Actually a lot of colored people relabelled black, objected to the term black for the same reasons you mentioned. Which is a reason I love the Harlem Renaissance era. You see the celebration of that kind of diversity. |
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lsgh
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gemini072
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| Posted: Tue 09 Oct 2007 16:20 Post subject: Re: spike lee's family |
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| jagirl32 wrote: | spike lees family
i don't know but she does'nt look that mixed to me. she looks maybe bi-racial
img337.imageshack.us/img337/6049/4237810jv.jpg |
eh? Doesn't look that mixed? What is that. She looks totally mixed. What do that mean...doesn't look mixed. |
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OTHER
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| Posted: Tue 09 Oct 2007 22:37 Post subject: Re: spike lee's family |
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| gemini072 wrote: | | jagirl32 wrote: | spike lees family
i don't know but she does'nt look that mixed to me. she looks maybe bi-racial
img337.imageshack.us/img337/6049/4237810jv.jpg |
eh? Doesn't look that mixed? What is that. She looks totally mixed. What do that mean...doesn't look mixed. |
Yeah, I was kind of wondering about that, too, but I wasn't going to say anything. I mean, how does the same person not look mixed, but looks maybe bi-racial?  I'm so confused! |
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jagirl32
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| Posted: Wed 10 Oct 2007 01:29 Post subject: ok ok |
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| ok what i meant was yes its ovious that she's mixed but not to the extent of some of the really racially mixed people i have seen (the ones who look more like another race than black)and known. she looks, to me like a regular light light skinned black |
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OTHER
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| Posted: Wed 10 Oct 2007 01:50 Post subject: Re: ok ok |
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| jagirl32 wrote: | | ok what i meant was yes its ovious that she's mixed but not to the extent of some of the really racially mixed people i have seen (the ones who look more like another race than black)and known. she looks, to me like a regular light light skinned black |
Right, but what does that mean? What I'm saying is, technically, many of the people who are considered "light black" are mixed, see what I'm saying? I mean, my dad was "black" and was as light as Mrs. Lee, but with blue-green eyes and, through family oral history and some genealogical research, our family has known for a good while that he had some Native American ancestry and some Scottish ancestry. The "light skin" had to come from somewhere.
But, yeah, I think I know what you were saying, since most people who have met me do not mistake me for black, it's usually Puerto Rican or Italian. Lately, I've even gotten Hawaiian/Polynesian!  OK.  |
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MP mulattoprince
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| Quote: | jagirl32 wrote:
ok what i meant was yes its ovious that she's mixed but not to the extent of some of the really racially mixed people i have seen (the ones who look more like another race than black)and known. she looks, to me like a regular light light skinned black |
MP: In my personal opinion I feel one of the reasons many so called light skin blacks are seldom mistaken for other ethnic and racial groups is -- because they for many generations the mulattoes have been living and marrying blacks because of the ODR forcing them to live among blacks. This causes one to pick up more black ancestry in ones genes. The result they are seldom mistaken for other ethnic groups. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Wed 10 Oct 2007 13:35 Post subject: Re: ok ok |
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| jagirl32 wrote: | | ok what i meant was yes its ovious that she's mixed but not to the extent of some of the really racially mixed people i have seen (the ones who look more like another race than black)and known. she looks, to me like a regular light light skinned black |
lol That is so twisted. Mixed is mixed, If someone looks white, they don't look (really racially mixed) this girl and her mom look really racially mixed because you see combinations of different ethnic groups. The problem is we tend to be so racialized in our thinking that it now takes someone not even looking like they have african features to be mixed. |
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