I do not think the author is claiming anything negative on either Obama or his wife. Nor making it a Black pride thing. She is just stating that in a country where many media personalities like sports and music stars (in contrast to political and other mainstream people who's life doesn't just rotate on entertainment value and popularity) do choose a lot of wives that seem to be on the lighter side. I think she is saying that there is a perception of lack of appreciation for her type of beauty in some circles and it is nice to see that Obama does appreciate that type of beauty, along with all the other qualities of his wife.
Well, I would add that most AA aka 'Black' men marry 'Black' women and most 'Black' women are not biracial, LSB, or Creole anyway.
huh? most black men range from non-mixed to biracial Melani and they marry women in those ranges as well.
Creole Tina Knowles, husband:black
LSB-Black marriage Eddie Murphy and his ex wife and current wife
black - black: Samuel Jackson & his wife
very common stuff happening
Celebrities are not the norm. The media also skewes reality. For example, Vanessa Williams (LSB/MGM) has been shown in several movies (Tv, etc) paitred with or having a child by non-Black men. Almost without fail, her tv infant/child is always BLACKER then she is. At least they could have used her own kids as a better example, but no, they found very negro looking examples.
Can you give examples of these movies/television shows?
I don't remember too many where she had children in them.
Also, its is estimated that only ~10% of the 'self-idenitifed' AA population is of amibgious or mixed appearnace anyway.
Where did this estimation come from?
See my response to Frank' post.
P.S. Eddie Murphy's last wife was biracial. Tina Knowles does not look that Creole to me. She would never pass as Creole in New Orleans.
Nicole? or Tracey Edmonds? Neither are biracial. What does a Creole look like? And what does that have to do with it anyway? Her maiden name is Dereon her side of the family is Louisiana Creole, Lynn Whitfields mother is also Creole.
*Creoles are generally known as a people of mixed French, African, Spanish, and Native American ancestry, most of who reside in or have familial ties to Louisiana. Research has shown many other ethnicities have contributed to this culture including, but not limited to, Chinese, Russian, German, and Italian. http://www.nsula.edu/creole/definition.asp[/b]Tina Knowles and Lynn Whitfield are NOT Creoles, okay. They may have creole heritage, but they are not Creoles, specifcally not New Orleans Creoles. Allow the Creole people to define themselves*
As someone raised in Louisiana, especially in New Orleans around the 'Capitol' of Creoles*, with some Creole relatives, suffice it to say that I am very familar with Creoles from Louisiana, okay. [/b[/color]]
Don't make ignorant statements because you need to justify in your mind that you don't want to believe that there are a good number of AA who look like you. I know you have this [biracial people are unique] idea. But that doesn't change the truth of the varied appearances of AA people.
AH, here we go again. Yes, I am DIFFERENT FROM YOU. Re: Creoles ->I am from Louisiana - who really here is ignorant about Creoles? NO, I'm sorry son. Most AAs DO NOT 'look like me'. Many don't even favor you, lol. I am biracial, period. Mulatto. Yes, there may be a good number of AAs who may, in your opinion, 'look like me', but its because they are MGM or descended from a white or mixed grandparent (LSB). They have a mixed heritage. I am mixed, period! And yes, biracial people are unique, sorry if you don't feel the same........
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Melani23 wrote:
Grasshoppa wrote:
fwsweet wrote:
Melani23 wrote:
Also, its is estimated that only ~10% of the 'self-idenitifed' AA population is of amibgious or mixed appearnace anyway.
Now that is interesting. I would love to add that to my collection of trivia questions. Where does that number come from?
I'm also curious, as I'm curious as to which features objectively qualify one as having a "mixed" appearance. Does it include those who are brown skinned with curly to wavey hair, or how about those who are light tan skinned with very broad features?
Like most 'objective' measures, its in the eye of the beholder. However, I think (as in IMO) that most Americans would consider Vanessa Williams, ICE-T, and Beyonce as LSBs. However, it would depend upon who you speak to, if Solange Knowles, Tyra Banks, and Tina Turner would be considered LSB too.
And as far as 'mixed' goes, IMO its usually reserved for people who resemble:
Mariah Carey (light), --> Leonya Lewis (Bledding Love), -->Vin Diesel, The Rock, Shemar Moore-->Scarey Spice (dark), etc types.
Oh, I wasn't asking about what you considered a mixed appearance. I was asking about how one can say that 10% of American blacks have a "mixed" appearance if what is considered a "mixed phenotype" varies from person to person?
Oh, I wasn't asking about what you considered a mixed appearance. I was asking about how one can say that 10% of American blacks have a "mixed" appearance if what is considered a "mixed phenotype" varies from person to person?
I agree. I am starting to suspect that the number was made up. Melanie should either substantiate the claim or retract it.
*Creoles are generally known as a people of mixed French, African, Spanish, and Native American ancestry, most of who reside in or have familial ties to Louisiana. Research has shown many other ethnicities have contributed to this culture including, but not limited to, Chinese, Russian, German, and Italian. http://www.nsula.edu/creole/definition.asp
Tina Knowles and Lynn Whitfield are NOT Creoles, okay. They may have creole heritage, but they are not Creoles, specifcally not New Orleans Creoles. Allow the Creole people to define themselves*
Gemini wrote: How do you seperate a someone not being Creole from someone having Creole heritage. Creole is a cultural heritage 1st and foremost. Lynn Whitfield was raised in Lousisiana as she stated by Creole people(including her mother) How does that stop her from being creole? the same with Tina Dereon-Knowles. Who are u to say what they aren't?
Melani wrote: As someone raised in Louisiana, especially in New Orleans around the 'Capitol' of Creoles*, with some Creole relatives, suffice it to say that I am very familar with Creoles from Louisiana
Gemini wrote: There are many other Creole lands. And there is no one type of Creole. http://onedroprule.org/viewtopic.php?t=1811
The Politics of Identity and Race in the Colored Creole Community: The Gens De Couleur Libre in Creole New Orleans, 1800-1860
Gemini wrote: Don't make ignorant statements because you need to justify in your mind that you don't want to believe that there are a good number of AA who look like you. I know you have this [biracial people are unique] idea. But that doesn't change the truth of the varied appearances of AA people.
Melani wrote: AH, here we go again. Yes, I am DIFFERENT FROM YOU. Re: Creoles ->I am from Louisiana - who really here is ignorant about Creoles? NO, I'm sorry son. Most AAs DO NOT 'look like me'. Many don't even favor you, lol. I am biracial, period. Mulatto. Yes, there may be a good number of AAs who may, in your opinion, 'look like me', but its because they are MGM or descended from a white or mixed grandparent (LSB). They have a mixed heritage. I am mixed, period! And yes, biracial people are unique, sorry if you don't feel the same........
Gemini wrote:over compensation. The biracial experience is different. Nothing special about it.
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Also, its is estimated that only ~10% of the 'self-idenitifed' AA population is of amibgious or mixed appearnace anyway.
Now that is interesting. I would love to add that to my collection of trivia questions. Where does that number come from?
I'm also curious, as I'm curious as to which features objectively qualify one as having a "mixed" appearance. Does it include those who are brown skinned with curly to wavey hair, or how about those who are light tan skinned with very broad features?
Like most 'objective' measures, its in the eye of the beholder. However, I think (as in IMO) that most Americans would consider Vanessa Williams, ICE-T, and Beyonce as LSBs. However, it would depend upon who you speak to, if Solange Knowles, Tyra Banks, and Tina Turner would be considered LSB too.
And as far as 'mixed' goes, IMO its usually reserved for people who resemble:
Mariah Carey (light), --> Leonya Lewis (Bledding Love), -->Vin Diesel, The Rock, Shemar Moore-->Scarey Spice (dark), etc types.
Oh, I wasn't asking about what you considered a mixed appearance. I was asking about how one can say that 10% of American blacks have a "mixed" appearance if what is considered a "mixed phenotype" varies from person to person?
Oh, okay, but that was not stated as such. You agreed with Frank then went on to ask about features. I merely answerd your features questions.
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I'm also curious, as I'm curious as to which features objectively qualify one as having a "mixed" appearance. Does it include those who are brown skinned with curly to wavey hair, or how about those who are light tan skinned with very broad features?
Also, I corrected my 10% statement, but again, using AA admixture results (many on-line) one should be able to conclude that AAs as a group are not (x=<17% admixture) and do not look 'mixed'. Or don't you think one can say this?
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At least they could have used her own kids as a better example, but no, they found very negro looking examples. 
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