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divana
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Posted: Fri 27 Jun 2008 14:59 Post subject: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Please join the movement to get all non-Hispanic Caribbean-Americans their own self identifying category on the US Census form. We need to stand up and be counted. Join the movement at Welcome to CaribID and ensure that we are invisible no longer. http://www.caribid2010.com/

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Posted: Fri 27 Jun 2008 21:55 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

dahlin wrote:

Please join the movement to get all non-Hispanic Caribbean-Americans their own self identifying category on the US Census form. We need to stand up and be counted. Join the movement at Welcome to CaribID and ensure that we are invisible no longer.

http://www.caribid2010.com/

How would this benefit west indians ?

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Posted: Sat 28 Jun 2008 02:19 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Spiral wrote:

dahlin wrote:

How would this benefit west indians ?

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It's important .....

* Census affects funding in your community
Census data directly affect how more than $300 billion per year in federal and state funding is allocated to communities for neighborhood improvements, public health, education, transportation and much more. That's more than $3 trillion over a 10-year period. Spending just a few minutes to fill out your census form will help ensure your community gets its fair share of federal and state funding.

* Census affects your voice in Congress
Mandated by the U.S. Constitution, the census is also used to apportion seats in the U.S. House of Representatives and to redistrict state legislatures.

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* Census informs your community's decisions
The census is like a snapshot that helps define who we are as a nation. Data about changes in your community are crucial to many planning decisions, such as where to provide services for the elderly, where to build new roads and schools, or where to locate job training centers.

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Posted: Mon 30 Jun 2008 21:53 Post subject:

But i wonder, would the descendants of Afro -Caribbean peoples who may have integrated into black American society still be able to claim Caribbean American identity ? To me the only way this could work is if the Caribbean peoples maintain a separate identity.

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Posted: Thu 03 Jul 2008 16:37 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

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Posted: Thu 03 Jul 2008 19:19 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

Good question!

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Posted: Thu 03 Jul 2008 20:50 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

I would guess because

1. because Hispanic Caribbeans are already part of a group and;
2. because English speaking Caribbeans share a kinship and have a group identity: West Indians

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Posted: Thu 03 Jul 2008 21:46 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

anonymouse wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

I would guess because

1. because Hispanic Caribbeans are already part of a group and;
2. because English speaking Caribbeans share a kinship and have a group identity: West Indians

Overlapping identity groups though. It is like saying a Black Hispanic can't claim Black.

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Posted: Fri 04 Jul 2008 04:02 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Salsassin wrote:

anonymouse wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

I would guess because

1. because Hispanic Caribbeans are already part of a group and;
2. because English speaking Caribbeans share a kinship and have a group identity: West Indians

Overlapping identity groups though. It is like saying a Black Hispanic can't claim Black.

Not a good example: They are black but at the same time they are Latinos.

The only overlap in the Spanish Caribbean that I can think of offhand would be Panamanians & Belizeans...and they are on the mainland. When one talks of the Caribbean one refers to the entire region but when one talks about The West Indies for the most part one is referencing to the English speaking islands in the Caribbean. And that group, West Indians, is definitely a firmly established identity and is not based upon "race"

For example when last have you seen a Cuban band play mas for Caribana? How about a Puerto Rican celebrate Boxing Day? When last were there Dominican members of the Windies (West Indies Cricket team)?

It is these things and more which tie the English speaking countries together although I cannot lie and say there is a true unity among the various islands.

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Posted: Fri 04 Jul 2008 04:50 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

anonymouse wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

anonymouse wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

I would guess because

1. because Hispanic Caribbeans are already part of a group and;
2. because English speaking Caribbeans share a kinship and have a group identity: West Indians

Overlapping identity groups though. It is like saying a Black Hispanic can't claim Black.

Bad example. Because I have seen Dominicans in Caribbean celebrations. And West Inides was a term coined in Spanish first. There is defintiely as Spanish Caribbean culture.

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Posted: Fri 04 Jul 2008 08:26 Post subject:

I personally think the entire Caribbean should be grouped together in the census. There may be small division such the French Caribbean, Spanish Caribbean and English Caribbean but geographically it is still the Caribbean. For example, there are many countries in Europe have different languages but the geography of Europe.

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Posted: Sat 05 Jul 2008 01:01 Post subject:

Beauty wrote:

I personally think the entire Caribbean should be grouped together in the census. There may be small division such the French Caribbean, Spanish Caribbean and English Caribbean but geographically it is still the Caribbean. For example, there are many countries in Europe have different languages but the geography of Europe.

The Spanish Caribbean Citizens while they live in America may wish to identify with the larger Hispanic Community.
Their maybe a stronger Connection with the Anglo speaking islands and the French speakers since some of English speaking islands were once French owned, and a strong French Caribbean Culture still exist within their Societies.
Yet still the influence of the Spanish Caribbean on Non Hispanic Caribbean Islands cannot be ignored.

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Posted: Tue 08 Jul 2008 21:32 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

Because Hispanic Caribbean people in general choose to be counted as Latinos/Hispanic...

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 00:28 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

dahlin wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

Because Hispanic Caribbean people in general choose to be counted as Latinos/Hispanic...

But as Caribbean Hispanics still. They still identify with a Caribbean culture as well. Overlapping Umbrella cultures.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:33 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Salsassin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

They already get to not check black, what more do they want?

I can appreciate Carribbeans wanting their own category, but... let's just say that it would be an extreme understatement to say that I'd be totally pissed at the lack of fairness if another group of people with a preponderance of SSA ancestry are let off the hook, while those of who have an equal amount of SSA ancesty and something else - let alone those who have a preponderance of European or other non-SSA ancestry - are still left with ODR.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:40 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Richard Miller wrote:

[Hispanic Caribbeans] already get to not check black, what more do they want?

Not so, if you mean on the federal census. On the census they have to choose from among the offical "races," just like everyone else, and "Hispanic" is not allowed among the choices.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:41 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

dahlin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

Because Hispanic Caribbean people in general choose to be counted as Latinos/Hispanic...

But as Caribbean Hispanics still. They still identify with a Caribbean culture as well. Overlapping Umbrella cultures.

They Identify with a Caribbean Culture with an Hispanic flavour.
Despite being " seen " at Caribbean Festivals In North America is their evidence that Spanish speaking Caribbean Citizens consider non Hispanic Caribbean Cultures a part of their own ?

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 13:48 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

fwsweet wrote:

Richard Miller wrote:

[Hispanic Caribbeans] already get to not check black, what more do they want?

Not so, if you mean on the federal census. On the census they have to choose from among the offical "races," just like everyone else, and "Hispanic" is not allowed among the choices.

And when they don't check anything for the race box, I'm willing to bet that they are assigned "white" by default.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 14:03 Post subject: Re: Caribbean/West Indian ID - U.S. Census 2010

Richard Miller wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

Interesting. Why would Hispanic Caribbeans be excluded?

Let off the hook of what? Discrimination? Those who apply ODR will use it no matter what the census says. It is about self identification and grouping categories.

Caribbean Island cultures have unique characteristics that are separate from most of the mainland.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul 2008 14:03 Post subject:

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I can appreciate Carribbeans wanting their own category, but... let's just say that it would be an extreme understatement to say that I'd be totally pissed at the lack of fairness if another group of people with a preponderance of SSA ancestry are let off the hook,

They are not AA and some of them from particular islands are of Mixed background and with very little to none at all SSA. ODR should not to applied to the group, because when they leave the island Most of the ethnic and class divisions are done away with and they consider themselves West Indian.
You wouldn't consider a European descended West Indian black just because he belongs to a group that has people with SSA would ya ?

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