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Salsassin
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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 02:01 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

Bottom line - if you have more SSA ancestry than I do, then I deserve a separate category before you do - I don't give a damn what your "culture" is. It makes no sense whatsoever to give someone with preponderance of SSA ancestry an "escape hatch" while still f*cking me, and everyone else, who has 1/2 or less SSA ancestry.

Bottom line, the census is made to track people with different needs and ideologies that have sufficient significant weight for policy reasons. The Caribbean groups act in a different manner than African American groups and thus need to be identified. And their populations are significantly larger and more cohesive than any mixed identity population you belong to. So to policy makers it makes perfect sense to give them a group way before you. You are welcome for the reality check. Wink

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 02:21 Post subject:

Reality check back at you - these black identified Caribbeans that you speak of - they're black, I'm not. They've got their box. Where's mine? You can take your "reality check" and shove it up your a$$. Or are you supporting ODR right now, because that's what it sounds like.

Salsassin
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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 02:40 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

Reality check back at you - these black identified Caribbeans that you speak of - they're black, I'm not. They've got their box. Where's mine? You can take your "reality check" and shove it up your a$$.

Or are you supporting ODR right now, because that's what it sounds like.

Nice try, and nice violation of the rules. Again. Let me say it sloooow. The Census is policy based. Populations with big numbers that can affect policy will always have preference. And thus Caribbeans, with all their White, Black, Mixed, whatever people who act in a significantly cohesive matter to matter to the government will get a preference over smaller groups with less cohesion and thus less of a voice. Now go do that home colonoscopy on yourself.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 02:42 Post subject:

Salsassin wrote:

You're in no position to speak of rules with the number of times you've been suspended here yourself.

I've got a card to play on you - show me a reference that backs what you say on how categories are determined for the census.

Salsassin
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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 02:53 Post subject:

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Salsassin wrote:

Simple. Look up the categories made. Then think of why the Latino group was created. Because they didn't act according to racial lines and where a massive population. Lobby groups, etc.
Sure I get suspended. I stand up for my beliefs when pushed. I don't get suspended over temper tantrums.
Caribbeans have their lobby groups. Where is your cohesive population pushing for a Mulatto identity? When you have enough populational clout to get congressmen to notice, let me know. That is reality.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 02:57 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

What evidence do you have that black identified Caribbean peoples have more SSA than you ?

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:00 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

You can take your "reality check" and shove it up your a$$.

Salsassin wrote:

Now go do that home colonoscopy on yourself.

Hey! Both of you know better than that! I'm issuing a warning to you both: Keep the debate civil, and leave personal attacks out of it. No excuses.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:01 Post subject:

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Richard Miller wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

You get suspended from breaking rules that you were fully aware of before breaking them... only lack of self control will allow you to break rules that you are fully aware of, so quit acting as though you're better than anyone else here.

By the way, I didn't ask for your observations on particular ethic groups, I asked for a reference from the census bureau on how categories are created. You want to talk about rules? If you don't give me this reference, you are breaking rules 1.2.2 and 3.2.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:02 Post subject:

William wrote:

Richard Miller wrote:

You can take your "reality check" and shove it up your a$$.

Salsassin wrote:

Now go do that home colonoscopy on yourself.

Hey! Both of you know better than that! I'm issuing a warning to you both: Keep the debate civil, and leave personal attacks out of it. No excuses.

Yes sir.

Salsassin
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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:03 Post subject:

Spiral wrote:

Richard Miller wrote:

What evidence do you have that black identified Caribbean peoples have more SSA than you ?

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You want to talk about rules? If you don't give me this reference, you are breaking rules 1.2.2 and 3.2.

You were saying? Laughing

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:11 Post subject:

Spiral wrote:

Richard Miller wrote:

What evidence do you have that black identified Caribbean peoples have more SSA than you ?

How do we identify with our racial makeup? We go with what we know. I tout myself as being one of the very few Americans who lack Native American ancestry - however, it's strictly TO MY KNOWLEDGE. But you know something, that's all we CAN identify as. So if SSA is all they know...

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:13 Post subject:

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You were saying? Laughing

See my post above. I never claimed that Caribbean people in general have more SSA ancestry than I do, I was merely speaking of the ones who do. Therefore, I have nothing to back with references. I'm still waiting for your back ups.

Salsassin
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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:15 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

LOL. Not lack of self control at all. More like willing to sacrifice a temporary banning and get to say what I wanted to say. I just go to another forum and enjoy the time there.

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By the way, I didn't ask for your observations on particular ethic groups, I asked for a reference from the census bureau on how categories are created. You want to talk about rules? If you don't give me this reference, you are breaking rules 1.2.2 and 3.2.

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Reason For Changing the Old Standards. The racial and ethnic makeup of the country has changed since 1977, giving rise to the question of whether those standards still reflected the diversity of the country's present population. In response to this criticism, the OMB initiated a review of the Directive. This review included (1) organizing a workshop to address the issues by the National Academy of Science, (2) convening four public hearings, and (3) appointing an Interagency Committee for the Review of Racial and Ethnic Standards, which later developed a research agenda and conducted several research studies. The result of the Committee's efforts was a report describing recommended changes to the Directive. The members of the Committee included representatives of more than 30 agencies that covered the many diverse federal requirements for data on race and ethnicity. In 1997, the OMB accepted almost all of the recommendations of the Interagency Committee, resulting in changes to the standards.

Research studies, ethnic diversity... Read in significant presence that makes a new category necessary. But no problem. I have submitted the question to the census cite. Then you can get your official answer. Laughing

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:16 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

You were saying? Laughing

Sorry, they don't divide Caribbean people by blood quantums. That is why they will get a category.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:27 Post subject:

First, your reference doesn't explain the criteria for a group to have it's own category. I'm still waiting. Second, your last post now gives you more statements to back up with references. I await those as well; i.e., how do you know that they will indeed get their category, and if they are going to get it, how do you know that that's why? Again, I'm waiting.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:28 Post subject:

Salsassin wrote:

LOL. Not lack of self control at all. More like willing to sacrifice a temporary banning and get to say what I wanted to say. I just go to another forum and enjoy the time there.

Did I understand that correctly? Are you saying that you come here and break rules deliberately just to say what you want, knowing that you will be suspended? And that upon suspension you simply bide your time elsewhere before coming back and doing it again? Please clarify.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:34 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

Spiral wrote:

Richard Miller wrote:

What evidence do you have that black identified Caribbean peoples have more SSA than you ?

So are you judging the amount of SSA that a black identified Caribbean Citizen has based on" what you know", please clarify .

Salsassin
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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:44 Post subject:

fwsweet wrote:

Salsassin wrote:

LOL. Not lack of self control at all. More like willing to sacrifice a temporary banning and get to say what I wanted to say. I just go to another forum and enjoy the time there.

When I have had something to say? Yes, I was willing to sacrifice being punished. Do I plan it that way? No. But every time I have been banned I felt strongly enough that I needed to make my point.

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:52 Post subject:

Spiral wrote:

So are you judging the amount of SSA that a black identified Caribbean Citizen has based on" what you know", please clarify .

Let me rephrase that - in accordance with Rule 2.6, if someone identifies as "black," then they're "black." Capisce?

Salsassin
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Posted: Thu 10 Jul 2008 03:57 Post subject:

Richard Miller wrote:

Spiral wrote:

So are you judging the amount of SSA that a black identified Caribbean Citizen has based on" what you know", please clarify .

Let me rephrase that - in accordance with Rule 2.6, if someone identifies as "black," then they're "black." Capisce?

When Latinos identify as Black, they are still Latino.

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