Michael A. Cohen is a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation and the author of “Live From the Campaign Trail: The Greatest Presidential Campaign Speeches of the 20th Century and How They Shaped Modern America.” (Full biography.)
Recently, I wrote here that the fundamentals of the 2008 race decisively favor Barack Obama. As is often the case, however, my words were met with a familiar riposte: What about the race factor? Are white Americans really ready to elect a black man as president? It’s a recurrent refrain among Democrats and even some hopeful Republicans. As Andrew Kohut wrote here, “56 percent of Democrats believe that many people will not vote for Mr. Obama because he is black.”
With the first ever African-American presidential candidate, race is certainly the great unknown of the 2008 campaign, but there is significant empirical evidence to suggest that Mr. Obama’s skin color may be far less consequential than some believe — and may even benefit him. At the very least, it is more complicated than many realize.
Arguments about race and the 2008 election play out on two levels: one, the notion that many white voters are “closet racists” and will not vote for a black man and two, that public opinion polling cannot be trusted because white voters are afraid to reveal their prejudices.
To the first point, it is incontrovertible that some whites will not vote for Barack Obama. We’ve come far as a nation; but we haven’t come all the way. According to a recent Associated Press-Yahoo News poll, one-third of all white Democrats and independents have used a negative word to describe African-Americans, and racial antagonism may be costing Mr. Obama as much as six points in the polls.
However, these numbers are a bit suspect. The poll tested all Americans, not just voters and simply because someone has a partially negative view of African-Americans, it doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t vote for Barack Obama. The negative stereotypes that some white voters hold toward African-Americans may not necessarily have an impact on the way they think of Mr. Obama, particularly if he doesn’t seem to fit those preconceived notions. And of course, many whites who would not vote for Barack Obama because he is African-American are unlikely to vote for any Democratic presidential candidate.
The likely voting patterns of whites are more complex than often assumed. First of all, there is a general belief that white working-class Americans vote solidly Republican. But outside of the South, Al Gore won this voting bloc in 2000 and John Kerry lost it barely in 2004. In the Deep South, however, white voters support Republicans by 3 to 1, and even higher margins (in Mississippi in 2004, 85 percent of whites voted for George Bush). As the political scientist Tom Schaller points out in his book “Whistling Past Dixie,” Democrats don’t have a white working-class problem; they have a Southern problem.
Indeed, for all the discussions about Mr. Obama’s supposed exoticness to white Americans, a recent New York Times poll indicates that 66 percent of voters think Mr. Obama “shares the values most Americans live by” — a higher number than that received by Mr. McCain.
But the real fly in the ointment of the white racist argument is that it ignores the other side of the equation: the behavior of non-white voters, which is approximately a third of the population.
For example, we take for granted the fact that Mr. Obama will likely reel in close to 95 percent of the African-American vote, but this could be a deciding factor on Election Day.
By some estimates an 8 percent jump in black turnout in Nevada, over 2004, would win him the state; in Florida, a 23 percent improvement could make the difference. In Ohio in 2004, George Bush won 16 percent of African-American voters; this year if Mr. Obama wins 95 percent of the black vote, he will not need a single additional voter over what John Kerry received in 2004.
In states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio the key for Democratic victory has generally been strong African-American turnout. So even in these three states if Mr. Obama loses some white voters because of his skin color he may cancel that out with support from non-white voters. And lest we forget, John Kerry and Al Gore both won Michigan and Pennsylvania while barely losing in Ohio.
But Mr. Obama’s advantage stretches beyond African-Americans. Four years ago John Kerry won 53 percent of the Hispanic vote versus 44 percent for George Bush. According to the most recent poll of Hispanic voters, Mr. Obama leads in this crucial voting bloc by a whopping 66 percent to 23 percent margin. This advantage could be crucial in states like New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada and to a lesser extent, Iowa and Virginia.
Most telling, by 3-to-1, respondents said Mr. Obama’s race would “help him as opposed to hurt him,” putting to rest the notion of simmering racial tension between Hispanic and black voters. Indeed, Hillary Clinton’s strong support among Hispanic voters in the Democratic primaries appears not to have been a case of “black-brown” rivalry, but simply that these voters preferred Mrs. Clinton then, and are returning to the Democratic fold now.
Even among smaller segments of the population, Mr. Obama is seeing an advantage. For example, among Arab-Americans, a small but important voting bloc in states like Michigan, Virginia and Ohio, the Democrat has a 21-point advantage.
Finally, there are surely some white voters for which Mr. Obama’s race is a positive rather than a negative. This seems particularly true among younger voters, who are generally more racially tolerant and are supporting Mr. Obama in record numbers. One recent poll gives Mr. Obama a 27-point advantage among these voters; a stark contrast to 2004 when John Kerry won this bloc by a mere nine points. It’s hard not to imagine that Mr. Obama’s message of change, which is personified in large measure by his race, is influencing these voters.
Of course, we don’t know for sure what the turnout levels will be for minority and young voters, but in any examination of race on the campaign trail they must be factored into consideration. However, when Mr. Obama’s race is discussed, the positive political aspects of his background never seem to receive the same level of attention as the supposedly negative aspects.
The common retort to this avalanche of empirical evidence is to suggest that public opinion polling cannot be trusted. Skeptics evoke the so-called Bradley effect, which refers to the 1982 governor’s race in California when Tom Bradley, who is African-American, lost the race to his white opponent George Deukmejian, even though he consistently led in pre-election polls. The idea is that white voters will lie to pollsters about their true intentions on Election Day for fear of appearing to hold racist views. However, the continued existence of a Bradley effect has been largely discredited.
Indeed, during the 2008 Democratic primaries there was no discernible Bradley effect, if anything there was a reverse Bradley effect, with Mr. Obama frequently outperforming pre-election polling results. The 2006 Senate race in Tennessee between Harold Ford and Bob Corker, one of the most racially charged in recent memory, saw the same phenomenon. Mr. Ford who is African-American overperformed pre-election polls. In fact, according to a recent survey by the Princeton Election Consortium, since 1996, black candidates have actually polled 0.3 percent lower than the final result.
Of course, some will argue that a vote for president is different than voting for a governor or senator. Perhaps. But in a fascinating breakdown of the Bradley effect, Adam Berinsky, a professor of political science at MIT, argues that in racial voting, political context matters. For example, Mr. Berinsky cites the 1989 New York mayoral race in which the African-American candidate, David Dinkins, badly underperformed in pre-election polling. But this may have been a case of white voters in the heavily Democratic city being uncomfortable telling pollsters they were going to vote against a black candidate who shared their party affiliation.
Four year later, after Mr. Dinkins’ rather unsatisfactory performance as mayor, public opinion polls were spot on. After all, there was little reason to lie; one could simply explain their vote by the fact that Mr. Dinkins had done a poor job.
The same dynamic may dictate the 2008 race. Those who don’t want to vote for Barack Obama because he is black can simply say they are voting for John McCain because he is the better candidate or more in tune with their political values. There is little reason to lie. Indeed, there would have been more reason to mislead in the Democratic primary where the two candidates held relatively similar policy positions and the vote was more about personal characteristics. But again, no Bradley effect was seen.
If there are large blocs of anti-Obama voters in current polling they would most likely be lurking in the “don’t know” category of public opinion polling. But in the Gallup daily tracking poll, the number of don’t knows is generally around 7 percent.
This group is a tiny segment of the voting public, and we don’t know where these voters are situated (they could be a white union member in Massachusetts or a white businessman in Alabama, and neither of these states is up for grabs) or whether these individuals are lying in the first place. In short, those who argue that there will be a Bradley effect in the 2008 race have little more than supposition backing up their argument. The evidence simply isn’t there.
In the end, we don’t know how the race factor will play out on Election Day. No pollster can look into the soul of a voter; and the verdict cast in the voting booth is a highly personal decision where a whole series of political and social factors have an impact on the final choice. But examining what we do know about voting patterns suggests that fears of racial animus determining the presidential election are wildly overstated. Race may play a factor on Election Day; but then again it may not. And even if it does, it may provide more, not less benefit to Barack Obama.
Posted: Mon 06 Oct 2008 14:49 Post subject: Re: Does Race Really Matter?
Michael A. Cohen wrote:
the real fly in the ointment of the white racist argument is that it ignores the other side of the equation: the behavior of non-white voters, which is approximately a third of the population.
You know, this really bugs me. Americans rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, Liberal and Conservative, White and Black off-handedly characterise Hispanics as "non-White" when it suits their thesis. Every time that some over-inflated pundit says this in an academic forum (like one of the H-Lists), I post the question, "Given that 90 percent of Hispanics check off "White" on the census, on what grounds do you claim that that they are 'non-White'?" Thus challenged, no one has ever defended their claim. They either back down or stop posting. I have no problem with Cohen's thesis. But his implicit assumption that he has the god-like ability to see someones "real race" is sickening.
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Posted: Tue 07 Oct 2008 18:55 Post subject:
With regard to the posted article, I see issues with the terms "racism" which sneak a peak into the real divide that there is today between blacks and whites in the US.
Before I start with my point of view, I would like to point out that I am white, my wife is black, our daughters are in between, as we live in a "black" majority country more than likely they will marry "black" men and I would vote for any president no matter what his color if he represented my best interests as a Catholic.
That being said, Cohen's article openly ponders if whites won't vote for a black president because of deep seated prejudices, then goes on to say that Obama is predicted to get 95% of the black vote. This is using a double standard to say the least, blacks are allowed or even supposed to vote for a black president but if whites vote for a white president it is insinuated that it is for racial prejudice reason. Now tell me, why is this double standard of judging whites and blacks and their voting habits acceptable? Furthermore, this is one thing that irks many non racist white Americans, enough that they feel that a black president will put the needs of his people in front of the country and are hesitant to take the "plunge" and vote for one.
This is a topic that needs to be discussed and really shows the depth of misunderstanding and miscommunication between the racial classes in the US. Unfortunately, this topic is almost verboten in the PC marginalized press. I do remember CNN posted an article last February or thereabouts before the main primaries started postulating if the majority of blacks would vote for Obama and the outcry reached epic proportions with an easy majority of the blacks saying they would vote their conscience, etc and not their race, and yet we all know what happened.
Other that a few articles like the aforementioned, the lack of attention by the press on this topic can only negatively reinforce the false perceptions that both sides have and stand in the way of real understanding and subsequently reconciliation. Unfortunately, such a tacit disregard of such a deeply needed positive force for change will only keep this country on it's turbulent incumbent path of racial disarray.
Apples and...grapefruits Chip. There is a huge difference in showing that a certain percentage of whites will refuse to vote for a black man versus PREDICTING (read: guessing) that Obama will get 95% of the black vote, especially since blacks overwhelming vote Democratic (when they chose to vote that is).
If Hillary had gotten the nomination the numbers would probably be the same.
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 17:20 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
Apples and...grapefruits Chip. There is a huge difference in showing that a certain percentage of whites will refuse to vote for a black man versus PREDICTING (read: guessing) that Obama will get 95% of the black vote, especially since blacks overwhelming vote Democratic (when they chose to vote that is).
If Hillary had gotten the nomination the numbers would probably be the same.
I guess I must be dreaming that all of my black friends and many blacks I have talked to or seen on othe forums say they are going to vote for Obama because he is black.
You can ignore the problem but it won't go away unfortunately.
Btw, you "insecurities" message at the bottom of you post I think sends a message of perceived superiority on your part. I honestly don't know if that what you intend to project, but it does.
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 17:39 Post subject:
chip wrote:
Btw, you "insecurities" message at the bottom of you post I think sends a message of perceived superiority on your part. I honestly don't know if that what you intend to project, but it does.
Apples and...grapefruits Chip. There is a huge difference in showing that a certain percentage of whites will refuse to vote for a black man versus PREDICTING (read: guessing) that Obama will get 95% of the black vote, especially since blacks overwhelming vote Democratic (when they chose to vote that is).
If Hillary had gotten the nomination the numbers would probably be the same.
I guess I must be dreaming that all of my black friends and many blacks I have talked to or seen on othe forums say they are going to vote for Obama because he is black.
You can ignore the problem but it won't go away unfortunately.
Do the majority of black (when they vote) vote Democratic or Republican? If the answer is Democratic then where is your issue with the numbers? I suspect the fact that the Democratic nominee is black is just icing on the cake as opposed to the reason for eating the cake.
Alan Keyes did not do too well within the black community when he ran for president and last time I checked he was an intelligent black man as well. How does that vibe with your theory?
chip wrote:
Btw, you "insecurities" message at the bottom of you post I think sends a message of perceived superiority on your part. I honestly don't know if that what you intend to project, but it does.
To tell you the truth I almost forgot it was in my signature box. I thought it shows that it is in my nature to sit back and observe people. I have been told that I appear to be arrogant and/or condescending at times, usually by people who do not know me very well. Being the natural smartazz that I am I used to quip "That is a belief held only by insecure people."
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 18:06 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
To tell you the truth I almost forgot it was in my signature box. I thought it shows that it is in my nature to sit back and observe people. I have been told that I appear to be arrogant and/or condescending at times, usually by people who do not know me very well. Being the natural smartazz that I am I used to quip "That is a belief held only by insecure people."
With regard to the debate about blacks voting for Obama well just have to agree to disagree.
As far as your boilerplate statement, honestly I think most people will find it inflammatory and will take your posts less seriously if not disregard them alltogether. I'm sure you can come up with something more positive for sure.
To tell you the truth I almost forgot it was in my signature box. I thought it shows that it is in my nature to sit back and observe people. I have been told that I appear to be arrogant and/or condescending at times, usually by people who do not know me very well. Being the natural smartazz that I am I used to quip "That is a belief held only by insecure people."
With regard to the debate about blacks voting for Obama well just have to agree to disagree.
As far as your boilerplate statement, honestly I think most people will find it inflammatory and will take your posts less seriously if not disregard them alltogether. I'm sure you can come up with something more positive for sure.
ciao
You implied that black people support Obama primarily because he is black but whites cannot do the same. Yet you failed to take into account that:
a. blacks overwhelmingly vote Democratic
b. Obama is the Democratic nominee
Additionally you failed to state why Alan Keyes did miserably in the black community. By all accounts he is also an intelligent, well spoken black man. Perhaps what draws people to Obama are *gasp* his stance on the issues. Ever consider that?
My signature has been in place for close to a year now and I see no need to change it just to make someone feel better about themselves.
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 18:17 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
Alan Keyes did not do too well within the black community when he ran for president and last time I checked he was an intelligent black man as well. How does that vibe with your theory?
Well Keyes ran in the GOP primary for President. But you're correct, he did not, would not do well with Black voters in the Senate race against Obama. Remember, the intelligentsia does not regard Keyes as a "Black" candidate in the way they regard Obama. Perhaps because he does not have he left wing liberal views that "Blacks" are supossed to have????
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 18:25 Post subject:
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My signature has been in place for close to a year now and I see no need to change it just to make someone feel better about themselves.
I was about to post that I didn't regard you as being arrogant, I'm glad I withheld. Suit yourself. I think that signature is for you to feel better about yourself. But hey, that just me...
It sort if reminds me when you joined, you avatar featured 4 black birds walking in a line, with a yellow bird saying "Niggers". You said you thought it was appropriate for this forum.
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 18:32 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
My signature has been in place for close to a year now and I see no need to change it just to make someone feel better about themselves.
It's not about me feeling better about myself - good grief.
Honestly, I'm going to blunt with you because you apparently aren't getting the message - your message reeks of "insecurity" which is quite ironic because you preface any interaction by acknowledging the perceived "insecurity" of other posters on this forum.
You know, that reminds me of some prejudiced white southerners who I grew up with(hicks), who would for no reason bad mouth blacks without ever having the chance to judge the person by their actions. This is what weak and insecure people do to make themselves feel better - this is what you are doing and it makes you look no better than some dumb hick, sorry.
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Alan Keyes did not do too well within the black community when he ran for president and last time I checked he was an intelligent black man as well. How does that vibe with your theory?
Well Keyes ran in the GOP primary for President. But you're correct, he did not, would not do well with Black voters in the Senate race against Obama. Remember, the intelligentsia does not regard Keyes as a "Black" candidate in the way they regard Obama. Perhaps because he does not have he left wing liberal views that "Blacks" are supossed to have????
Hell Obama wasn't quite black until about a year ago if you listen to the media. Obama's stance on the issues and his policies resound well within the black community. Ditto for Hillary. But I would consider the idea that the overwhelming black support that Obama entertains is due primarily to his race to be a false or at least a very misleading statement.
My signature has been in place for close to a year now and I see no need to change it just to make someone feel better about themselves.
It's not about me feeling better about myself - good grief.
Honestly, I'm going to blunt with you because you apparently aren't getting the message - your message reeks of "insecurity" which is quite ironic because you preface any interaction by acknowledging the perceived "insecurity" of other posters on this forum.
You know, that reminds me of some prejudiced white southerners who I grew up with(hicks), who would for no reason bad mouth blacks without ever having the chance to judge the person by their actions. This is what weak and insecure people do to make themselves feel better - this is what you are doing and it makes you look no better than some dumb hick, sorry.
I get your "message". What you don't "get" is that the statement only bothers the insecure and that is what I find somewhat humourous. As a matter of fact when I first came across it (a friend wrote it) I chuckled and told him, "I'm going to steal that line"
I don't really see the relevance of your prejudiced white southerners story.
My signature has been in place for close to a year now and I see no need to change it just to make someone feel better about themselves.
I was about to post that I didn't regard you as being arrogant, I'm glad I withheld. Suit yourself. I think that signature is for you to feel better about yourself. But hey, that just me...
hahaha - I have my moments. I think y'all are reading too much into it - it's just a signature on a message board. Some might call it condescending, some might say it masks my own insecurities. I find it thought provoking. :shrug:
DChapman wrote:
It sort if reminds me when you joined, you avatar featured 4 black birds walking in a line, with a yellow bird saying "Niggers". You said you thought it was appropriate for this forum.
The message was not? The point was that the birds are biologically indistinguishable, except for their colour which the yellow bird focused on. Did you not see the parallels with some segments of our society?
Guys, take it offline, or to PMs. This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If the moderator considers a signature too offensive, she will have it removed.
(Later edit) Oops. Sorry. I thought that this was Maya's forum. I mean, "If the moderator considers a signature too offensive, he will have it removed." Sorry about that, Dean.
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 19:05 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
The message was not? The point was that the birds are biologically indistinguishable, except for their colour which the yellow bird focused on. Did you not see the parallels with some segments of our society?
I think the implications were that most posters on this forum were the yellow bird, calling people with Black identities, "Niggers". If I had time, I would go back because I think that's what you said.
The message was not? The point was that the birds are biologically indistinguishable, except for their colour which the yellow bird focused on. Did you not see the parallels with some segments of our society?
I think the implications were that most posters on this forum were the yellow bird, calling people with Black identities, "Niggers". If I had time, I would go back because I think that's what you said.
I don't even think I explained it at all. Frank asked me to zap out the n-word via PM so I did.
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 19:19 Post subject:
fwsweet wrote:
(Later edit) Oops. Sorry. I thought that this was Maya's forum. I mean, "If the moderator considers a signature too offensive, he will have it removed." Sorry about that, Dean.
NP!
That signature doesn't offend me, though I agree with chip. Speaks volumes about a person who would think that way, IMO.
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Posted: Wed 08 Oct 2008 21:33 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
I get your "message". What you don't "get" is that the statement only bothers the insecure and that is what I find somewhat humourous. As a matter of fact when I first came across it (a friend wrote it) I chuckled and told him, "I'm going to steal that line"
I don't really see the relevance of your prejudiced white southerners story.
Mouse - keep your message then. My story was trying to make a point that people who fabricate weakness in other people are really the weak and insecure ones plain and simple.
I am apparently not the only one who sees your message as provacative. Like I said before, people are going to make an automatic assessment about you right or wrong from that statement, and I believe for the most part it will be a negative one.