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Posted: Sun 19 Oct 2008 22:40 Post subject: Muslim - Arab - Terrorist are Synonymous for Some Republican
One thing that has become apparent, that Colin Powell pointed out this morning on NBC was that Muslim - Arab - Terrorist are synonymous words to many local Republican officials in various states and seen as a smear to tarnish Barack Obama.
Hell I wrote something on my face book site about this very quickly one day, but it is disturbing. Reminds me of how many politicians in this nations past would try to smear other politicians, like President Harding, saying they were "negroes" who were "passing". Black ancestry was obviously a "taint" and a insult to a white man.
It seems that the McCain campaign is allowing Arabs and Muslims to be used that way in 2008. I wonder what Arab Americans in Congress and the Senate think of this? Arab Americans who worked for Bush? Do these "low information" voters know that these people are Arabs????
I wonder do those same voters in Indiana know that Mitch Daniels is a first generation Syrian American (name changes do wonders) and that John Sununu's father is Lebanese, that Ralph Nader is Lebanese, that Top 40 legend Casey Kasem (Qaseem) was a Lebanese Druze, Steve Jobs (of Apple, father is Syrian), George Mitchel , and Spencer Abraham (Energy Secretary under George Bush) are all ARABS!!! Real Arabs! "Low Information Voters" think that Arabs look like Osama or darker obviously...they might be shocked to know the "white guy" sitting next to them is an Arab as well. LOL It is amazing that no one gave a crap about these other "Arabs" but now it is a smear because Obama is running...Arab Americans should be offended, especially at what McCain said recently:
When a woman at one of his "two minute hate" [Obama] rallies that Obama could not be trusted because he was an Arab...McCain said..."no...no"...
"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don’t have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain told a supporter at a town hall meeting in Minnesota who said he was “scared” of the prospect of an Obama presidency and of who the Democrat would appoint to the Supreme Court.
Imagine if Obama called someone a "cracker" and said "oh I didn't mean it"...it would be on Fox News 24/7, even if he said it when he was 12 years old.
In any case there are Muslims and Arabs in our Congress and Senate...there are also Muslims and Arabs who fight for this country daily..like the young man Powell commented on below.
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Today, Colin Powell officially endorsed Barack Obama for President. But the big news today is that this was not even his most important endorsement of the day. As it turns out, the most important thing endorsed by Colin Powell today was an America that's worth leading and worth fighting for, an America that encapsulates the idea of what some might call a "more perfect union." To that end, Powell invoked a picture to illustrate his point.
"Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no. That's not America. Is there something wrong with a seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing he or she could be president? Yet I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion that he is a Muslim and might have an association with terrorists. This is not the way we should be doing it in America.
I feel particularly strong about this because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who were serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay, was of a mother at Arlington Cemetery and she had her head on the headstone of her son's grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone, and it gave his awards - Purple Heart, Bronze Star - showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death, he was 20 years old. And then at the very top of the head stone, it didn't have a Christian cross. It didn't have a Star of David. It has a crescent and star of the Islamic faith.
And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan. And he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was fourteen years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he could serve his country and he gave his life."
This directly implies Arabs are not decent people...nice. I wonder what McCain calls his Arab colleagues on the Hill, we know he calls Asians "gooks".
Only to someone who wants to see this implication.
Most Arabs Americans are Christian. Most people don't know this, and this isn't restricted to uneducated white people.
Many "enlightened", "worldly", multiculturalists believe that most Arabs are swarthy Muslims too. Arab and Muslim are used interchangeably by many people in the U.S., regardless of political orientation.
For example:
From the name on the headstone the person is probably not Arab (Muslim) but possibly South Asian Muslim.
Does McCain call Asians gooks or just the Vietcong he was fighting against in the 60s? I think probably the latter. Does he call his adopted daughter from Bangladesh a gook? I don't think so.
Now just like there are people who need to believe Obama is some Arab or Muslim, there are people who need to believe ALL or MOST McCain supporters believe he is and that McCain himself deeeeep down believes this too.
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Imagine if Obama called someone a "cracker" and said "oh I didn't mean it"...it would be on Fox News 24/7, even if he said it when he was 12 years old.
A more appropriate comparison would be if McCain called Obama a half-caste or a jigaboo. As far as I know McCain didn't call Obama an Arab or Muslim, some of his more ignorant supporters did.
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 13:46 Post subject:
I don't see Democrats using Arab/Muslim in any context in the campaign but to refute things that come from local RNC or state surrogates.
I didn't say the guy below was Arab...I said "Arabs and Muslims" as I am fully aware that not all Arabs are Muslims,currently I work with a Palestinian Druze. He is just a shade darker than Ralph Nadar and I'm sure most people consider him white on first glance.
It does not matter if McCain was calling Vietcong "Gooks" or whatever, his statement was not specific and even if it was racial slurs are unwarrented and not excusable.
Would the public be sympathetic to Obama if he said he his grandfather fought against "Nazi Kraut Crackers" in WWII???
I don't think so, his campaign would be over once that got on the airwaves, Foxnews would play it nonstop even if he apologized.
I also never said "most of McCain Supporters" are anything, I said "some".
The fact that this type of things is some common and often comes out of the mouth of elected or appointed Republican officials in this campaign, not only people in the crowd is disturbing and it is not coincidence.
McCain, I seriously doubt is promoting this, but he didn't say anything about it until the media call him on Palin's "2 Minute Hate" speeches.
It is obviously in McCain's favor to not clearly state reality (when he did he got booed by his own supporters pretty loudly).
Just like Robo calls that say "Obama sat on a board and gave money to known terrorists".
Truth is the board was set up by a conservative REpublican who was a close friend to Ronald Reagan and also associated with McCain...there were other ranking conservatives on the board as well who approved money being sent out to school iniatives.
Even Foxnews admitted this yesterday, on a show Greta Van Sustran was hosting.
Obviously this feeds into the "Obama = terrorist = Arab = foreign = unpatriotic" scenario.
It's funny...that not just liberals see this.
Powell sees it.
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 14:54 Post subject:
Mr PC, errr DH:
Associating Muslims with terrorists is a product of ignorance. Then again it is rare that anything would happen to a Muslim here in the US other than be prejudiced against.
Speaking of ignorance and prejudice, those would be the least of one's worries were they to go to any majority Muslim country and simply profess radical thoughts like women should be treated fairly and that people should be able to choose their own religion without the fear of torture and death.
BTW, one of my best friends grew up in Iran - would you like to talk to him so he can set you straight?
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:02 Post subject:
chip wrote:
Mr PC, errr DH:
Associating Muslims with terrorists is a product of ignorance. Then again it is rare that anything would happen to a Muslim here in the US other than be prejudiced against.
Speaking of ignorance and prejudice, those would be the least of one's worries were they to go to any majority Muslim country and simply profess radical thoughts like women should be treated fairly and that people should be able to choose their own religion without the fear of torture and death.
BTW, one of my best friends grew up in Iran - would you like to talk to him so he can set you straight?
Why is it you feel you must stereotype so broadly? It does not strengthen your argument.
You disregard prejudice, but when was the last time you faced it? How would you feel if your wife was strip searched at the airport? Your son, daughter?
That's not a big deal right? I personally know a guy who had this done to his wife in 2002 in Houston, Texas. He and his family were Pakistani and not even religious people.
I've been to majority Muslim nations like Indonesia and people do promote things like "women's rights" and not one is put to death or tortured because of it.
Indonesia is the largest Muslim nation on earth. Have you ever heard of the Indonesian government torturing or executing people for changing religion? Please site an example.
In fact site an example of this in Turkey, Bahrain, UAE, Malaysia...
Associating Muslims with terrorists is a product of ignorance. Then again it is rare that anything would happen to a Muslim here in the US other than be prejudiced against.
Speaking of ignorance and prejudice, those would be the least of one's worries were they to go to any majority Muslim country and simply profess radical thoughts like women should be treated fairly and that people should be able to choose their own religion without the fear of torture and death.
BTW, one of my best friends grew up in Iran - would you like to talk to him so he can set you straight?
You can go to many Muslim countries and do so. And in most Muslim countries women are treated fairly. I suspect you are confusing Muslim with Arab: The two terms are not synonymous.
BTW - Doesn't Iran have the largest jewish population outside of Israel and the US? Isn't Iran home to a large number of ethnicities and religions? Now I'm not a fan of the Iranian theocracy power structure but US foreign policy was largely responsible for putting the Ayatollahs in power back in the 70s. The world is now reaping the seeds that America sowed.
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:09 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
chip wrote:
Mr PC, errr DH:
Associating Muslims with terrorists is a product of ignorance. Then again it is rare that anything would happen to a Muslim here in the US other than be prejudiced against.
Speaking of ignorance and prejudice, those would be the least of one's worries were they to go to any majority Muslim country and simply profess radical thoughts like women should be treated fairly and that people should be able to choose their own religion without the fear of torture and death.
BTW, one of my best friends grew up in Iran - would you like to talk to him so he can set you straight?
You can go to many Muslim countries and do so. And in most Muslim countries women are treated fairly. I suspect you are confusing Muslim with Arab: The two terms are not synonymous.
BTW - Doesn't Iran have the largest jewish population outside of Israel and the US? Isn't Iran home to a large number of ethnicities and religions? Now I'm not a fan of the Iranian theocracy power structure but US foreign policy was largely responsible for putting the Ayatollahs in power back in the 70s. The world is now reaping the seeds that America sowed.
Iran also has elections (which I admit are not totally free) but they also have many elected female officials who sit in their congress, in fact Iran is more free for woman than most of the Arab nations in the MIddle East and North Africa.
They just want them to cover themselves, but they do not stop them from being doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc.
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:11 Post subject:
Also attemps to use "politically correct" as some type of smear or way to score points is corny. Lets stop the attempts to define and stereotype individual posters and deal with the issues please.
So Powell finally came out and endorsed Obama. Wow, I'm shocked...NOT! I have to give it to him though. I thought he was going to sit this one out. But again, read his statements...tranformational figure...LOL! But I do agree that we need change, however I doubt Obama has the balls to bring it. He hasn't so many times..... (check his Illlnois voting record).
Hmm, a Black man who endorses another 'Black' man for President. What were your reasons again DH? Oh, I recall reading something on your blog about you supporting Obama early on, because 'Black children will have pride', 'a boost of self-esteem to every Black man in America'...etc. etc. etc.'). Anyways, I hope you are correct. I think Obama will win, but I am not voting for him. Something to do with his 100+ votes present, lack of substance over style, failure to lead against corporate establishment (see Nuclear plant compromise) in Illinois, failure to route corruption in Illnois (many of his contributors are slum lords), too many close associates and friends who are CRAZY (Rev. Wright, AYERS), his philospophy (Marxist, Soclialist), his multiple ties to fringe groups (ACORN, etc) - too many to name. But at least Black people will be proud and Europe will love us again......
An Obama Presidency? Hmm, maybe it won't be so bad. I HOPE he brings HOPE and CHANGE to AfricaAmericaland. I hope you are correct DH and that PRESIDENT OBAMA will at least provide the necessary 'self esteem' that some AAs need (as you claim) that is so important many will violate their world view to see. Hopefully an Obama Presidecy will give the youth HOPE and CHANGE and the VISION, that to be successlike like our HERO OBAMA, they will strive for education, marriage BEFORE children and an eschewing of ILLEGAL DRUGS (like OBAMA) and not desire PRISON SERVICE as a tooken of authentic Black manhood. YEAH OBAMA!
Again, as for Powell, I don't blame him for not endorsing McCain - the RHINO. And Powell's a moderate so he can swing both ways. Hmm, with this, he can finally get his BLACK PASS back. Maybe some Black peole will stop calling him an Uncle Tom and linking his name with Condi Rice and C. Thomas. http://www.eurweb.com/interact/commentview.cfm?id=47928
He missed his chance to be the 1st Black President and by gosh, he is not going to stand in the way of progress. LOL!
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:15 Post subject:
Dragon Horse wrote:
Iran also has elections (which I admit are not totally free) but they also have many elected female officials who sit in their congress, in fact Iran is more free for woman than most of the Arab nations in the MIddle East and North Africa.
They just want them to cover themselves, but they do not stop them from being doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc.
You commentary is naive to say the least. You have absolutely no idea how Iranians live.
Many Iranians are pro Western but this doesn't take away from the fact that their country is controlled by a few radicals. Unfortunately, these radicals don't see themselve as such - rather they see themselves as the true leaders of their religion.
I recommend that you investigate this further than reading a few reports on Iran - maybe a trip is in order. I'm sure they would love to hear all of your ideas.
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Associating Muslims with terrorists is a product of ignorance. Then again it is rare that anything would happen to a Muslim here in the US other than be prejudiced against.
Speaking of ignorance and prejudice, those would be the least of one's worries were they to go to any majority Muslim country and simply profess radical thoughts like women should be treated fairly and that people should be able to choose their own religion without the fear of torture and death.
BTW, one of my best friends grew up in Iran - would you like to talk to him so he can set you straight?
You can go to many Muslim countries and do so. And in most Muslim countries women are treated fairly. I suspect you are confusing Muslim with Arab: The two terms are not synonymous.
BTW - Doesn't Iran have the largest jewish population outside of Israel and the US? Isn't Iran home to a large number of ethnicities and religions? Now I'm not a fan of the Iranian theocracy power structure but US foreign policy was largely responsible for putting the Ayatollahs in power back in the 70s. The world is now reaping the seeds that America sowed.
Iran also has elections (which I admit are not totally free) but they also have many elected female officials who sit in their congress, in fact Iran is more free for woman than most of the Arab nations in the MIddle East and North Africa.
They just want them to cover themselves, but they do not stop them from being doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc.
Yes, these silly women just need to get with the program, be resigned to their secondary place in life, wear the Ninja outfit, and move along. It doesn't matter if they don't want to or not. Afte all, who cares what women want or think?
WOW! And your calling out chip as being racially insensitive, ignorant, and bias? LOL! Yeah, whatever!
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:23 Post subject:
anonymouse wrote:
chip wrote:
Mr PC, errr DH:
Associating Muslims with terrorists is a product of ignorance. Then again it is rare that anything would happen to a Muslim here in the US other than be prejudiced against.
Speaking of ignorance and prejudice, those would be the least of one's worries were they to go to any majority Muslim country and simply profess radical thoughts like women should be treated fairly and that people should be able to choose their own religion without the fear of torture and death.
BTW, one of my best friends grew up in Iran - would you like to talk to him so he can set you straight?
You can go to many Muslim countries and do so. And in most Muslim countries women are treated fairly. I suspect you are confusing Muslim with Arab: The two terms are not synonymous.
BTW - Doesn't Iran have the largest jewish population outside of Israel and the US? Isn't Iran home to a large number of ethnicities and religions? Now I'm not a fan of the Iranian theocracy power structure but US foreign policy was largely responsible for putting the Ayatollahs in power back in the 70s. The world is now reaping the seeds that America sowed.
It is a poor joke to insinuate that women are generally treated well in majority Muslim countries.
I find it amazing the level of naivity that some posters have on this board.
Associating Muslims with terrorists is a product of ignorance. Then again it is rare that anything would happen to a Muslim here in the US other than be prejudiced against.
Speaking of ignorance and prejudice, those would be the least of one's worries were they to go to any majority Muslim country and simply profess radical thoughts like women should be treated fairly and that people should be able to choose their own religion without the fear of torture and death.
BTW, one of my best friends grew up in Iran - would you like to talk to him so he can set you straight?
You can go to many Muslim countries and do so. And in most Muslim countries women are treated fairly. I suspect you are confusing Muslim with Arab: The two terms are not synonymous.
BTW - Doesn't Iran have the largest jewish population outside of Israel and the US? Isn't Iran home to a large number of ethnicities and religions? Now I'm not a fan of the Iranian theocracy power structure but US foreign policy was largely responsible for putting the Ayatollahs in power back in the 70s. The world is now reaping the seeds that America sowed.
It is a poor joke to insinuate that women are generally treated well in majority Muslim countries.
I find it amazing the level of naivity that some posters have on this board.
I notice you tend to gloss over or outright ignore portions of posts where you either have no knowledge of or cannot refute. For example you ignored the role the US had in setting up the power structure in Iran today.
My little brother just came home from UAE where he lived for the last couple of years. I dated/lived with a Singaporean woman with Malaysian roots for over 5 years. I dareseay I have slightly more than a smattering of knowledge about Islam/the muslim world.
Everyone knows about Saudi Arabia and Yemen. But these countries are nowhere near the most populous muslim countries. If you don't believe me do a search. Even wikipedia, a site not well liked here, lists 52 majority muslim countries. Are women's rights supressed in each and every one of those countries? Are women's right supressed in the majority of those countries?
Sometimes common knowledge is not very accurate.
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Yes, many are ignorant. Especially men who think women don't mind being covered in sheets! How dare you (anyone)insinuate that such a dress code is insignificant and minor. Go wear a burka for a day and see how YOU FEEL ABOUT IT!!!
As a WOMAN, I'd rather be DEAD than submit to such a disgrace!!
Persecuation against religous and ETHNIC (including SSA) minorites is real. Such monstrous and uncivilized behaviors occur mostly in Asian, African, and Muslim countries.
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Muslim girl set on fire for wearing lipstick Moral priorities in order: girl severely burned and in danger of death -- fine. Girl wearing lipstick -- way out of bounds.
Sharia Alert: "Girl set alight for wearing lipstick," from AAP, October 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):
An 11-year-old girl has been set on fire by a relative in India's northern city of Jaipur for wearing lipstick and being inappropriately dressed. Police say the girl suffered burns over 90 per cent of her body and her chances of survival are bleak.
They've arrested her great uncle who allegedly poured kerosene on the girl and set her alight yesterday.
Investigators say the 55-year-old man, a conservative Muslim, told the police he was enraged at the girl wearing lipstick and being scantily dressed.
But relatives have accused the man of trying to molest the girl and setting her on fire when she objected.http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
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Posted: Mon 20 Oct 2008 15:43 Post subject:
chip wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
Iran also has elections (which I admit are not totally free) but they also have many elected female officials who sit in their congress, in fact Iran is more free for woman than most of the Arab nations in the MIddle East and North Africa.
They just want them to cover themselves, but they do not stop them from being doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc.
You commentary is naive to say the least. You have absolutely no idea how Iranians live.
Many Iranians are pro Western but this doesn't take away from the fact that their country is controlled by a few radicals. Unfortunately, these radicals don't see themselves as such - rather they see themselves as the true leaders of their religion.
I recommend that you investigate this further than reading a few reports on Iran - maybe a trip is in order. I'm sure they would love to hear all of your ideas.
What you consider naive is none of my concern, that is your subjective opinion which you are entitled to.
All I stated about Iran was about women in politics and professions, I never said anything about it in regard to walking down the street speaking about women's rights and changing one's religion.
My response to that was before this post. Lets keep up.
Persecuation against religous and ETHNIC (including SSA) minorites is real. Such monstrous and uncivilized behaviors occur mostly in Asian, African, and Muslim countries.
Quote:
Muslim girl set on fire for wearing lipstick Moral priorities in order: girl severely burned and in danger of death -- fine. Girl wearing lipstick -- way out of bounds.
Sharia Alert: "Girl set alight for wearing lipstick," from AAP, October 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):
An 11-year-old girl has been set on fire by a relative in India's northern city of Jaipur for wearing lipstick and being inappropriately dressed. Police say the girl suffered burns over 90 per cent of her body and her chances of survival are bleak.
They've arrested her great uncle who allegedly poured kerosene on the girl and set her alight yesterday.
Investigators say the 55-year-old man, a conservative Muslim, told the police he was enraged at the girl wearing lipstick and being scantily dressed.
But relatives have accused the man of trying to molest the girl and setting her on fire when she objected.http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
Twenty-first Century African Slaves – In the Land of Islam
A former slave from Karko in the Nuba mountains, Mende Nazer, told her story in a book published last year in German (now in English). Captured in 1992, she was first a slave to a rich family from Khartoum and, then in 2000, to a Sudanese diplomat in London, from whom she escaped seeking political asylum."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/000601.php
All of the countries in Asia impacted by the recent tsumani have Black populations. Sadly, far too many people, including many Blacks themselves, seem unaware of this
Of course, many of the Black people in Indonesia live in the occupied territories, most notably the Papuans of Irian Jaya (the western half of New Guinea) or what they refer to as “West Papua.” These Blacks have been brutally treated by the Indonesian government in a policy that approaches genocide.
In Malaysia, these “Small Blacks” have been denoted as “Orang Asli” (Original Man). Pejoratively they are known as “Semang,” with the connotation of savage.
Dalits: the Black Untouchables of India
Possibly the most substantial percentage of Asia's Blacks can be identified among India's 250 million "Untouchables" or "Dalits." The Dalits along South India’s coastal periphery were dramatically affected by the tsunami.
The Dalits, brutally crushed underfoot by India’s Hindu caste system, are demonstrating a rapidly expanding awareness of their lineage and their relationship to the struggle of African people throughout the world. In April 1972, for example, the Dalit Panther Party was formed in Bombay, India. This organization takes its pride and inspiration directly from the Black Panther Party of the United States.
http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=323b500edc16163218c7e79111a550d0
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or Muslim, there are people who need to believe ALL or MOST McCain supporters believe he is and that McCain himself deeeeep down believes this too.
Lets stop the attempts to define and stereotype individual posters and deal with the issues please.
Anyways, I hope you are correct. I think Obama will win, but I am not voting for him. Something to do with his 100+ votes present, 
Hopefully an Obama Presidecy will give the youth HOPE and CHANGE and the VISION, that to be successlike like our HERO OBAMA, they will strive for education, marriage BEFORE children and an eschewing of ILLEGAL DRUGS (like OBAMA) and not desire PRISON SERVICE as a tooken of authentic Black manhood. YEAH OBAMA!
How dare you (anyone)insinuate that such a dress code is insignificant and minor. Go wear a burka for a day and see how YOU FEEL ABOUT IT!!!
is real. Such monstrous and uncivilized behaviors occur mostly in Asian, African, and Muslim countries.