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Posted: Thu 06 Nov 2008 22:45 Post subject: Klan Says Obama is not Black
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November 6, 2008, 2:40 pm
The Klan Chimes In on Obama
By Larry Rohter
The election of Barack Obama as president of the United States would, at least at first glance, seem to be a death blow to racist groups like the Ku Klux Klan and the values they espouse. But that is not how Thomas Robb, the organization’s national director, interprets Tuesday’s historic vote, which is about to put a black family in the White House.
Most of the rest of the country is celebrating Mr. Obama’s triumph as the fall of a racial barrier in a nation where segregation was protected by law just 50 years ago. The KKK definitely does not share that view, and is clearly struggling to put the best face on the unthinkable.
First of all, Mr. Robb argues in a posting for his blog that also appears on the KKK’s website that Mr. Obama is “the country’s first mulatto president,” and is not really black. That may be a surprising position coming from a hate group that for more than a century has railed against the dangers of miscegenation, but the KKK appears to regard Mr. Obama as something other than black in both a racial and a cultural sense.
“I know that you have been hearing that Obama would be the first black president,” Mr. Robb writes. “However, you and I both know this is not true. Obama is only half black. Not only is he only half black - he was not raised in a black environment. He was raised by his single mother,” who was white, and abandoned by his African father, something “so common with black men that there are jokes about it.”
Beyond that, the KKK, which has lost both supporters and relevance in recent years, seems to see the election of Mr. Obama as an opportunity to mobilize whites. Adopting a “we told you so” tone, the group’s site argues that his victory “may be the best thing that has happened to us” because it could serve as an effective recruiting tool.
“Every time the television shows an image of Obama it will be a reminder that our people have lost power in this country,” Mr. Robb wrote. “The betrayal will stare them in the face each time they watch the news and see little black children playing in the Rose Garden,” he added.
For whites who supported Mr. Obama, especially young voters, Mr. Robb has nothing but scorn. He accuses them of being blind to what he calls “a race war — a cultural war — being waged against white people,” unlike African-American voters, whom he praises for voting in their own self-interest.
“White young people who are celebrating Obama’s victory, stop and consider you may not agree with us but you have to admit we were right about one thing,” he warned. “We have said that there is the calculated design to get into the minds of young people and turn them away from loving our people. Every time you reject your white heritage you prove once again we were right.”
They are right, Obama is not " Black". The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years, but it doesn't make a difference. For the kkk, Mulattoes are inferior to Whites as well.
In the film " Birth of a Nation", the main villain was precisely a Mulatto.
The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years
I did a double-take when I read that, but güira99 is right. The klan first emerged in the late 1860s to stop freedmen from exercising rights of citizenship. The ODR first became statutory in the 1910s, and most states adopted this Jim Crow policy in the 1920s.
On the other hand, hypodescent (the idea that mixed Americans of obvious part-Afro appearance are not White) emerged around 1700, predating the klan by a century and a half.
They are right, Obama is not " Black". The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years, but it doesn't make a difference. For the kkk, Mulattoes are inferior to Whites as well.
In the film " Birth of a Nation", the main villain was precisely a Mulatto.
Obama is black, regardless of what his genetics, the KKK or anyone else thinks. Because he has one black parent and one white parent (with a little NA ancestry), he is technically a "mulatto". When talking about his self-identity, he is black, like his wife and his children.
I agree with them about Obama in theory - i.e he is really a mulatto raised in non-AA culture, not really AA (he's Kenyan), by a White mom, but draw a line for anything after that.
They are just trying to insult him, mulattos, and Blacks and down-play his victory (note: I said his victory), and up-play White Supremacy and the crazy idea of a current 'race war'. Obama is a mudd person, a non-White to them, and that is why they try to insult him.
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Posted: Fri 07 Nov 2008 14:43 Post subject:
Melani23 wrote:
Who cares what the KKK inbreds think?
I agree with them about Obama in theory - i.e he is really a mulatto raised in non-AA culture, not really AA (he's Kenyan), by a White mom, but draw a line for anything after that.
They are just trying to insult him, mulattos, and Blacks and down-play his victory (note: I said his victory), and up-play White Supremacy and the crazy idea of a current 'race war'. Obama is a mudd person, a non-White to them, and that is why they try to insult him.
Oh you forgot to add his mother is a race traitor. Not my opinion, but theirs.
They are right, Obama is not " Black". The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years, but it doesn't make a difference. For the kkk, Mulattoes are inferior to Whites as well.
In the film " Birth of a Nation", the main villain was precisely a Mulatto.
Obama is black, regardless of what his genetics, the KKK or anyone else thinks. Because he has one black parent and one white parent (with a little NA ancestry), he is technically a "mulatto". When talking about his self-identity, he is black, like his wife and his children.
I respect your opinion, you view Obama as a " socially constructed Black man", based on his life choices of marrying Michelle, going to Rev.Wrights church and yes, adopting what this website is about, One-Droppism.
Others like me, have our choice. We see Obama like what he really is. A mixed black/white person. We will not allow One-droppism to be institutionalized in the educational system.
I've met several people and friends that a biracial background like that of Obama. They say they're " Black and White". They don't care what One-Droppists think, they have made a decision to include their White side in self-identifying to people. But They make sure they say " Black" first , when saying " Black and White", this sounds more acceptable than saying " White and Black" in a One-Droppist society.
I think its fair to assume that most people, including White nationalist, rationalize race whatever way that makes them feel most comfortable. I have seen White Nationalist sites that have claimed Martin Luther King Jr. was 1/8 White before!
I am also willing to bet that very few White supremacist would have taken credit for Obama being "half White" and "raised in a White environment" had he turned out to be a drug dealer on the 6 o'clock news.
I have always suspected that Obama became so interested in African-American culture was because he was viewed as a smart black guy so often by Whites. I find it hard to believe that a boy raised by a single White mother in a very liberal Hawaii, then later living in Indonesia with his Hapa sister would have turned into a Black American (not even Kenyan Black) without some form of White racism pushing him toward it. He is not the typical biracial child with a White mother and AA father and the White mother is very interested in AA culture and has many Black American friends.
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I have seen White Nationalist sites that have claimed Martin Luther King Jr. was 1/8 White before!
If this were interpreted as meaning that he had 12.5 percent Euro admixture, and if it were accurate, then this would have made him more Afro and less Euro than the average A-A (about 17 percent Euro). Possible, but what's the point being made?
I have seen White Nationalist sites that have claimed Martin Luther King Jr. was 1/8 White before!
If this were interpreted as meaning that he had 12.5 percent Euro admixture, and if it were accurate, then this would have made him more Afro and less Euro than the average A-A (about 17 percent Euro). Possible, but what's the point being made?
The point is that when black identified individuals are poor and prone to criminal behavior rarely does anyone admit that some if not many of these people have White blood too. White Americans do not take responsiblity for their actions nor do White supremacist . They are written down as just another bad 'Black statistic' in the African-American community and life goes on. Whites normally only see 'mixness' when the person is doing rather well for themselves.
The point is that when black identified individuals are poor and prone to criminal behavior rarely does anyone admit that some if not many of these people have White blood too. White Americans do not take responsiblity for their actions nor do White supremacist . They are written down as just another bad 'Black statistic' in the African-American community and life goes on. Whites normally only see 'mixness' when the person is doing rather well for themselves.
They are right, Obama is not " Black". The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years, but it doesn't make a difference. For the kkk, Mulattoes are inferior to Whites as well.
In the film " Birth of a Nation", the main villain was precisely a Mulatto.
Obama is black, regardless of what his genetics, the KKK or anyone else thinks. Because he has one black parent and one white parent (with a little NA ancestry), he is technically a "mulatto". When talking about his self-identity, he is black, like his wife and his children.
I respect your opinion, you view Obama as a " socially constructed Black man", based on his life choices of marrying Michelle, going to Rev.Wrights church and yes, adopting what this website is about, One-Droppism.
Others like me, have our choice. We see Obama like what he really is. A mixed black/white person. We will not allow One-droppism to be institutionalized in the educational system.
I've met several people and friends that a biracial background like that of Obama. They say they're " Black and White". They don't care what One-Droppists think, they have made a decision to include their White side in self-identifying to people. They make sure they say " Black" first , when saying " Black and White", this sounds more acceptable than saying " White and Black" in a One-Droppist society.
If you're so in-the-know about what this website embodies, you'd know that not only is it educating people on the one-drop rule, it is also advocating personal choice. You're basically denying Barack Obama and people like him the right to chose who we are and who we want to be. What, exactly, gives you the right? Your personal feelings? Right.
Your personal experiences with your biracial friends are not the litmus test for how every biracial, multiracial or mixed person feels or thinks about his or her personal identity. I have never said Barack Obama is not biracial. He is. It's a fairly obvious fact. However, he identifies as a black American person, like many biracial, multiracial and mixed people chose to do, in addition to acknowledging his mixed ancestry.
He sees himself as he sees his wife, a black woman, and his children, who have a white grandparent. If he saw himself as biracial, and he said I am biracial American, I would respect and honor that decision.
That is what choice is about. Not seeing people "how they really are" but moving past ridiculous categorizations that define people through something they had no say in.
Will my children identify as "black" or "other" etc., etc.? I don't know. But I will not make the choice for them. That's as bad as telling them they should identify as black because of the one-drop rule.
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Posted: Sat 08 Nov 2008 02:12 Post subject:
Famu wrote:
güira99 wrote:
Famu wrote:
güira99 wrote:
Famu wrote:
Of course the KKK would not see Obama as "black".
They are right, Obama is not " Black". The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years, but it doesn't make a difference. For the kkk, Mulattoes are inferior to Whites as well.
In the film " Birth of a Nation", the main villain was precisely a Mulatto.
Obama is black, regardless of what his genetics, the KKK or anyone else thinks. Because he has one black parent and one white parent (with a little NA ancestry), he is technically a "mulatto". When talking about his self-identity, he is black, like his wife and his children.
I respect your opinion, you view Obama as a " socially constructed Black man", based on his life choices of marrying Michelle, going to Rev.Wrights church and yes, adopting what this website is about, One-Droppism.
Others like me, have our choice. We see Obama like what he really is. A mixed black/white person. We will not allow One-droppism to be institutionalized in the educational system.
I've met several people and friends that a biracial background like that of Obama. They say they're " Black and White". They don't care what One-Droppists think, they have made a decision to include their White side in self-identifying to people. They make sure they say " Black" first , when saying " Black and White", this sounds more acceptable than saying " White and Black" in a One-Droppist society.
If you're so in-the-know about what this website embodies, you'd know that not only is it educating people on the one-drop rule, it is also advocating personal choice. You're basically denying Barack Obama and people like him the right to chose who we are and who we want to be. What, exactly, gives you the right? Your personal feelings? Right.
Your personal experiences with your biracial friends are not the litmus test for how every biracial, multiracial or mixed person feels or thinks about his or her personal identity. I have never said Barack Obama is not biracial. He is. It's a fairly obvious fact. However, he identifies as a black American person, like many biracial, multiracial and mixed people chose to do, in addition to acknowledging his mixed ancestry.
He sees himself as he sees his wife, a black woman, and his children, who have a white grandparent. If he saw himself as biracial, and he said I am biracial American, I would respect and honor that decision.
That is what choice is about. Not seeing people "how they really are" but moving past ridiculous categorizations that define people through something they had no say in.
Will my children identify as "black" or "other" etc., etc.? I don't know. But I will not make the choice for them. That's as bad as telling them they should identify as black because of the one-drop rule.
Famu:
I believe what he said is a rule violation and I asked the moderator to look at it.
Rules state:
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2.6 Do not criticize anyone’s choice of ethnic or “racial” self-identity. — If you disagree with someone’s choice of ethnic or “racial” self-identity, keep it to yourself. This applies whether they are individuals or groups, and whether they are site members or not.
He is clearly criticizing Obama's choice in racial/ethnic identity.
He said: We see Obama like what he really is. A mixed black/white person.
No, what he really is is "a black man" as he has stated many times.
Then he goes on to criticize him indirectly, I believe.
This is like me telling someone on this board who says they are mulatto..."no what you really are is black"...
DH and Famu, Ya'll are gonna have to back-up right now. And lookie here, Famu actually acknowldges Obama is biracial - stop the presses.
I just saw on Fox News video of part of an Obama press conference today. In it he is saying that he is working on getting his girls a dog and a reporter asks him what breed and will it be a pound puppy? Obama replies that Malia is allegric and that he will try to get a pound dog, but will have to work around her allergy and that most shelter dogs are " MUTTS LIKE ME" http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081107/ts_afp/uspoliticsobamaanimaldog
I think Obama says he's Black to identify more with his African heritage due to his looks and father's absence (daddy issues), to help 'uplift' Blacks, and due to having felt the sting of White Racism, despite having a White mom. Remember Biden said Obama was a clean & articulate Black, lol. I bet he got that often - most times this is NOT a compliment when Whites say it.
I have met many bi-racials who outwardly call themselves Black to get people (esp. Blacks) to leave them alone, but secretly know they are mixed-raced alone. Sometimes it not worth the arguement with 1-droppers who believe in the religion of the 1-drop.
DH and Famu, Ya'll are gonna have to back-up right now. And lookie here, Famu actually acknowldges Obama is biracial - stop the presses.
I just saw on Fox News video of part of an Obama press conference today. In it he is saying that he is working on getting his girls a dog and a reporter asks him what breed and will it be a pound puppy? Obama replies that Malia is allegric and that he will try to get a pound dog, but will have to work around her allergy and that most shelter dogs are " MUTTS LIKE ME" http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081107/ts_afp/uspoliticsobamaanimaldog
I think Obama says he's Black to identify more with his African heritage due to his looks and father's absence (daddy issues), to help 'uplift' Blacks, and due to having felt the sting of White Racism, despite having a White mom. Remember Biden said Obama was a clean & articulate Black, lol. I bet he got that often - most times this is NOT a compliment when Whites say it.
I have met many bi-racials who outwardly call themselves Black to get people (esp. Blacks) to leave them alone, but secretly know they are mixed-raced alone. Sometimes it not worth the arguement with 1-droppers who believe in the religion of the 1-drop.
This is true.
It can also be said that many biracial/mixed people don't care what other people think--black or white--and would like to be left alone, instead of examined all the time so that they can be put into one category or the other.
Is Barack Obama saying he's black because of insecurity, his father and racism? Perhaps so. I'm not in Obama's head.
I know I identify as black because of the strong heritage that has been passed down through my family. I didn't get Creole culture, or Geeche culture or NA culture: I got your typical black Midwestern family cultural upbringing. I also look, to most people, like an average African American person in the United States.
So I guess I'm saying I'm done with this thread because it's so tiring trying to explain why a "biologically" mixed person without daddy issues or problems with racism or wanting to be "down" would identify as black.
By that logic Bush could be black too if he wanted to be as well.
Since the only way Obama can be black is if he is identifying it as a cultural thing.
Famu wrote:
güira99 wrote:
Famu wrote:
Of course the KKK would not see Obama as "black".
They are right, Obama is not " Black". The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years, but it doesn't make a difference. For the kkk, Mulattoes are inferior to Whites as well.
In the film " Birth of a Nation", the main villain was precisely a Mulatto.
Obama is black, regardless of what his genetics, the KKK or anyone else thinks. Because he has one black parent and one white parent (with a little NA ancestry), he is technically a "mulatto". When talking about his self-identity, he is black, like his wife and his children.
By that logic Bush could be black too if he wanted to be as well.
Since the only way Obama can be black is if he is identifying it as a cultural thing.
Famu wrote:
güira99 wrote:
Famu wrote:
Of course the KKK would not see Obama as "black".
They are right, Obama is not " Black". The kkk preceeds One Drop Rule by at least 50 years, but it doesn't make a difference. For the kkk, Mulattoes are inferior to Whites as well.
In the film " Birth of a Nation", the main villain was precisely a Mulatto.
Obama is black, regardless of what his genetics, the KKK or anyone else thinks. Because he has one black parent and one white parent (with a little NA ancestry), he is technically a "mulatto". When talking about his self-identity, he is black, like his wife and his children.
My Aunt, "biologically" is Chinese, born and raised in Hong Kong. When she married my fraternal Uncle, she was pretty much integrated into our family. I pretty much call her my Black Chinese Aunt, and only specify that she's ethnically Chinese if someone asks.
My grandfather is "biologically" Native American, but he integrated into the black community through marriage and culture. He now calls himself black, and that's what my family calls him and what I call him, and that's what I tell other people oustide of my family, despite the weird looks they give me.
Who cares?
*shrugs*
My family has been calling people what they want to be called for ages. "Black" isn't something you just magically inherit because you happen to have melanin. It's a culture.
That may not be the accepted view here, but it's a choice that my family has embraced.
I believe what he said is a rule violation and I asked the moderator to look at it.
I wasn't critizicing anyone's choice. I never said " Obama must say he is biracial". I was talking about my choice and other people like me that are not one-droppers, the dissenters, and our choices within the American educational system.
Obama can say whatever he likes, people can respect " his" choice and other people that make "one-droppism" their choice.
Do you think in the United States schools , black/white biracialism is respected?
Do you think is right that " one-droppism" be shoved down bi-racial kids' throats?, when the history books come down saying :
" Obama is the first Black president"
school children would think " yeah, my mommy is White like Obama's, so I guess I'm just a Black guy too".
Don't you think the parents of these school children should protest this??,because to me, this is almost like teaching racism to children.
What " choices" do you think the parents of these school children can have?, when
" the most powerful man in the world says he is Black??"
In the One-Drop Establishment, " political correctness" is thrown out of the window.
Atleast, the history books and teachers can be more objective:
" Obama is the first president that classifies himself as Black, sociologically, but anthropologists and he himself have said that he is of mixed black/white background".
how about that?
Obama himself have said that he's biracial on several occassions, he's not an idiot, he knows that.
How about teaching children is school from an early age what is " one-droppism", instead of just stating :
" Barack Obama is the first African American president".
"One-droppist choices are respected, the dissenters are not, not even included".
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