The Study of Racialism

Evan Bourne · Suspended Joined: 31 Jan 2009 {Posts: 18 }

From an eyeballing standpoint does this woman fit your definition of white ? They have this woman listed as white under race.
http://www3.fdle.state.fl.us/mcicsearch/Flyers/Flyer2PicCC.asp?ID=13360&case_nbr=

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abu isabella · New User Joined: 21 Oct 2008 {Posts: 25 }

Like Frank said, I guess it depends on who's making the call. But as a white person myself, I would say that woman is definately not white.

Powell · Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 }

Powell · Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 }

MisterLawyer · Posted: Mon 02 Feb 2009 09:55 Post subject:

My definition of white: a label that some people call themselves and or others.

So, her being labeled as such by others certainly fits my definition.

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G-Man · Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 }

abu isabella · New User Joined: 21 Oct 2008 {Posts: 25 }

Do you think that this woman looks white? The Ku Klux Klan didn't think so when the newlyweds' picture appeared in the papers. She was the first Mrs. Johnny Cash (mother of his four daughters) and is of Italian ancestry. Nevertheless, she grew up classified as "white" in the Jim Crow South.[/quote]

I realize that people have the right to indentify as pretty much whatever they want and I don't have a problem with that. But from the looks of this picture it seems that for her to ID as "white" would be a bit of a stretch to say the least. LOL

Appearently her paternal side of the family was directly from Italy. Do you have any info on her mother's side?

G-Man · Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 }

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Some more pics:

in later years:

Evan Bourne · Suspended Joined: 31 Jan 2009 {Posts: 18 }

To me Johnny Cash's first wife looks like a lightskin black woman/mulata.

Evan Bourne · Suspended Joined: 31 Jan 2009 {Posts: 18 }

This woman was also classifed as white under race. Does anybody here think she looks white from an eyeballing standpoint ?
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1011292&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

Powell · Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 }

You see that the FBI classifies Hispanics as "White/Hispanic" (as opposed to plain "white") whether they "look white" or not:

Missing people
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/parent/parent.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kidmiss.htm

They classified this girl as "black" even though her mother is "white."
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/parent/tomayko.htm

Bi-racial Asian/white
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/duckett_tj.htm

Foreign terrorists from racially ambiguous areas like the Middle East, etc. have no "race," only complexions:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

Powell · Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 }

I emailed this woman, who says that she never suspected her father and grandmother of being anything but darker whites ("Spanish"). She now claims that she doesn't think that Anatole Broyard looked white (That's an old story; they always "see" nonwhiteness AFTER being told of the person's mixed ancestry.) Broyard looked downright "Aryan" compared to her father and grandmother:

http://www.themommymemoir.com/2007/04/we-called-her-nana.html

http://www.themommymemoirscrapbook.blogspot.com/

MisterLawyer · Posted: Tue 03 Feb 2009 09:17 Post subject:

Eyeballing people doesn't mean much. The range of phenotypes in Southern Europe includes phenotypes that people jump on and say recent subsaharan ancestry.

Compare these two completely Southern European descended people:

Spanish actress Yohana Cobo (on left):

American Actor Nick Turturro:

To American artist Slug, of the Group Atmosphere (25% African American, 75% Northern European)

Again, I just point this out because I knew a guy who parents were immigrants from southern Italy, who growing up in a small town in the US got called racial slurs usually reserved for African Americans and was asked on many occasions if he was biracial. Of course, there are sub-saharan genetic markers throughout Europe.

My point is that sometimes when people say that their ancestors were from Southern Europe, perhaps they are correct.

Powell · Guru Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2462 }

girlfromthenc · Mentor Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 269 }

I've seen Wanted photos of Metizo Hispanics classified as just plain White before (not even White/Hispanic). I've always wanted to know what the point of this government classification when very few non-Hispanics (which are the majority) would describe that person as White to the police (I've had to call 911 before and the operator asked me was the victim "Hispanic" 'Black" or White". White and Hispanic was treated separtely and the Asian race question was totally ignored, as if Asians don't get involved in crime).

I think it goes back to the general perception that the Spanish and other Southern Europeans are mostly dark skinned with jet black hair. Many Latinos 'work' under this perception of being darker skinned Southern Europeans. Strange as it is, I've seen many general photos of Spaniards in Spain and I was shocked at the number of blonds they had!!!! I like a lot of people grew up thinking Southern Europeans all looked like this: (lol)

Evan Bourne · Suspended Joined: 31 Jan 2009 {Posts: 18 }

Nndb.com has Mexican American actress Jessica Alba listed as White under race.
http://www.nndb.com/people/776/000025701/

G-Man · Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 }

She's half Dutch.

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