Posted: Tue 05 May 2009 15:12 Post subject: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
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College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 6:41 pm EDT May 4, 2009
COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they're thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.
Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.
"Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all" said student Charles Bailey.
TOM JONES: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.
"They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, 'Give me your wallets and cell phones,'" said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.
Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. "The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough," said Bailey.
That's when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.
The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.
"Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window," said Bailey.
A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.
"And I heard someone say, 'Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,'" said a neighbor.
The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.
Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.
"I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed," said Bailey.
One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.
Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.
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Posted: Tue 05 May 2009 18:34 Post subject: Re: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Melani23 wrote:
Quote:
College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 6:41 pm EDT May 4, 2009
COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.
Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.
“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.
TOM JONES: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.
“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.
Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.
That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.
The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.
“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.
A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.
“And I heard someone say, ‘Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,’” said a neighbor.
The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.
Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.
“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.
One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.
Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.
Copyright 2009 by WSBTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
A community is really not suffering it is a sub-set of a community, but we choose to group things by perceived phenotype and not social class. I'm not suffering, neither are my black friends. I don't know anyone who smokes crack, robs people, gang bangs, etc. Most of my black friends could say the same thing.
I get so tired of people talking about a minority of people who look roughly like me and saying they somehow represent me, my friends, my family...when they do not and on a daily basis I don't even see or deal with these people but for the local news.
Conservatives often talk about "individual responsibility" but are often equally if not more likely to stereotypically group people and judge them as a group. Interesting...
Actually, the purpose of this thread was to defend the 2nd Amendment...
But to answer your question, yes, a SMALL subset of the AA population suffers from this (not me either), but don't you get tired of seeing 'these people' all over the media? Yeah, I too can 'ignore' it as it doesn't affect me directly, but stereotypes do exist are can turn up in the least likely of places. Yes, AAs are not monolithic, have differing cultures, customs...yada, yada, yada, but yet in still, wasn't it you that said random white people congratulated you on Obama's victory?
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Posted: Wed 06 May 2009 12:01 Post subject:
Melani23 wrote:
Actually, the purpose of this thread was to defend the 2nd Amendment...
But to answer your question, yes, a SMALL subset of the AA population suffers from this (not me either), but don't you get tired of seeing 'these people' all over the media? Yeah, I too can 'ignore' it as it doesn't affect me directly, but stereotypes do exist are can turn up in the least likely of places. Yes, AAs are not monolithic, have differing cultures, customs...yada, yada, yada, but yet in still, wasn't it you that said random white people congratulated you on Obama's victory?
Conservatives? LOL! AMERICANS PERIOD!
Lets put it this way.
If it were up t o me, a lot of people would be "state-less" refugees begging at the UN after I revoked their citizenship for barbarism.
Then again if it was up to me, I think the founding fathers and the Roman's are right.
If everything else is held equal under the law, the only people who should be able to vote are property owners, military veterans, college educated from a 4 year accredited university, and property owners.
Then again, most of the people who do vote fit in that category anyway. I would also expand the death penalty to "breaking and entering", any form of murder (I or II), child molestation where there is DNA evidence, rape where there is DNA evidence and evidence of violence, corruption of public officials who use state money, and any hate crime (because that level of barbaric groupism must be breeded out of the gene pool), drug dealing, and known gang membership too.
I guess I'm just fascist like that, but I do know our society would be a lot more peaceful. I would bet in 5 years you would be able to walk down the middle of a ghetto in Louisiana at 2AM on a Saturday and feel perfectly safe. What do you think?
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Posted: Wed 06 May 2009 13:38 Post subject:
Dragon Horse wrote:
Lets put it this way.
If it were up t o me, a lot of people would be "state-less" refugees begging at the UN after I revoked their citizenship for barbarism.
Then again if it was up to me, I think the founding fathers and the Roman's are right.
If everything else is held equal under the law, the only people who should be able to vote are property owners, military veterans, college educated from a 4 year accredited university, and property owners.
Then again, most of the people who do vote fit in that category anyway. I would also expand the death penalty to "breaking and entering", any form of murder (I or II), child molestation where there is DNA evidence, rape where there is DNA evidence and evidence of violence, corruption of public officials who use state money, and any hate crime (because that level of barbaric groupism must be breeded out of the gene pool), drug dealing, and known gang membership too.
I guess I'm just fascist like that, but I do know our society would be a lot more peaceful. I would bet in 5 years you would be able to walk down the middle of a ghetto in Louisiana at 2AM on a Saturday and feel perfectly safe. What do you think?
By the term "breaking and entering", do you mean "home invasion robbery"? If I'm not mistaken, "home invasion robberies" (Such as described at the beginning of this thread) do carry much stiffer penalties out this way. I've heard of cases where if the resident does get killed, then the criminal can be subject to the death penalty. Personally I have no qualms with that.
I would also expand the death penalty to ... any hate crime ...
The problem with defining a particular crime in a subjective way is that such "crimes" are latched onto by local politicians to enforce their own power. Speaking out against the local bigwig, for example, would be prosecuted as a "hate crime". This phenomenon is common and well-known. Jurisdictions where ordinances forbid signs without prior licenses, for instance, routinely prosecute only those who post opposition election signs. And an opponent once tried to have Ward Connerly prosecuted for "preaching racial hatred," because he advocates abolishing state-mandated "racial" classification. Better to stick to crimes that can be objectively defined.
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Posted: Wed 06 May 2009 14:56 Post subject:
fwsweet wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
I would also expand the death penalty to ... any hate crime ...
The problem with defining a particular crime in a subjective way is that such "crimes" are latched onto by local politicians to enforce their own power. Speaking out against the local bigwig, for example, would be prosecuted as a "hate crime". This phenomenon is common and well-known. Jurisdictions where ordinances forbid signs without prior licenses, for instance, routinely prosecute only those who post opposition election signs. And an opponent once tried to have Ward Connerly prosecuted for "preaching racial hatred," because he advocates abolishing state-mandated "racial" classification. Better to stick to crimes that can be objectively defined.
Frank, I could not agree with you more. I say let the left wing Democrats go ahead with this "hate crime" thing. It will create a back lash so huge, they would not know what hit them.
Is not any crime a "hate crime"????
This would be just another attempt for Big Brother to control the thoughts and speech of people whi dissent from the Political Correct culture, IMO.
let the left wing Democrats go ahead with this "hate crime" thing.
As far as I can tell, both conservatives and liberals in power strive to maintain and enhance their power by selective law enforcement. Vaguely defined crimes are exploited by incumbents of every ideology. In Florida, for example, it is currently (with one exception) a felony to spend a night under the same roof with a person of the opposite sex to whom you are not married. Both Democratic and Republican governors have exploited this ridiculous law to go after political opponents.
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Posted: Wed 06 May 2009 15:08 Post subject:
fwsweet wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
I would also expand the death penalty to ... any hate crime ...
The problem with defining a particular crime in a subjective way is that such "crimes" are latched onto by local politicians to enforce their own power. Speaking out against the local bigwig, for example, would be prosecuted as a "hate crime". This phenomenon is common and well-known. Jurisdictions where ordinances forbid signs without prior licenses, for instance, routinely prosecute only those who post opposition election signs. And an opponent once tried to have Ward Connerly prosecuted for "preaching racial hatred," because he advocates abolishing state-mandated "racial" classification. Better to stick to crimes that can be objectively defined.
I see your point. Yeah, it is dangerous to prosecute people based on what you think they were taking at the time.
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Posted: Wed 06 May 2009 17:42 Post subject:
erasmusinfinity wrote:
What a sad story... for everyone involved.
No, it's a good story. The college student saved his life and the life of others by his action. I do not feel bad for the criminal, he got what he deserved. If they knew this would happen when they try to break into a home, thsi type of crime would decrease.
The college student deserves a medal of commendation.
Actually, the purpose of this thread was to defend the 2nd Amendment...
But to answer your question, yes, a SMALL subset of the AA population suffers from this (not me either), but don't you get tired of seeing 'these people' all over the media? Yeah, I too can 'ignore' it as it doesn't affect me directly, but stereotypes do exist are can turn up in the least likely of places. Yes, AAs are not monolithic, have differing cultures, customs...yada, yada, yada, but yet in still, wasn't it you that said random white people congratulated you on Obama's victory?
Conservatives? LOL! AMERICANS PERIOD!
Lets put it this way.
If it were up t o me, a lot of people would be "state-less" refugees begging at the UN after I revoked their citizenship for barbarism.
Then again if it was up to me, I think the founding fathers and the Roman's are right.
If everything else is held equal under the law, the only people who should be able to vote are property owners, military veterans, college educated from a 4 year accredited university, and property owners.
Then again, most of the people who do vote fit in that category anyway. I would also expand the death penalty to "breaking and entering", any form of murder (I or II), child molestation where there is DNA evidence, rape where there is DNA evidence and evidence of violence, corruption of public officials who use state money, and any hate crime (because that level of barbaric groupism must be breeded out of the gene pool), drug dealing, and known gang membership too.
I guess I'm just fascist like that, but I do know our society would be a lot more peaceful. I would bet in 5 years you would be able to walk down the middle of a ghetto in Louisiana at 2AM on a Saturday and feel perfectly safe. What do you think?
LOL, no wonder you married Asian. (I think they have the strictest societies, but the most civil, lol. )
I'm not that bad, but do agree that it probably would take the nth degree of discipline, law, civility, respect, etc to turn things around for some. Don't hold your breath... America has this thing about individuality and self-determination.
I'm pro-death penalty for proven heinous crimes, serial offenders, and child molesters. Hate crimes? No, because everyone is free to THINK what the want, just not DO WHAT they want. Crime is crime, if you murder someone, irregardless of the reason, there's a punishment to go along with that.
No, it's a good story. The college student saved his life and the life of others by his action. I do not feel bad for the criminal, he got what he deserved. If they knew this would happen when they try to break into a home, thsi type of crime would decrease.
The college student deserves a medal of commendation.
I agree, throw in a parade too.
He saved the girls from probable RAPE and MURDER and the boys from probable MURDER. The thugs were counting out the bullets.
Any anti-2nd Amendment types here? What about it gun control guys? What if you were facing FORCED MALE RAPE? Would you support gun rights then?
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The college student saved his life and the life of others by his action.
I agree and I'm glad that the criminal(s) were not able to proceed further with their crime.
DChapman wrote:
I do not feel bad for the criminal,
I do.
DChapman wrote:
he got what he deserved. If they knew this would happen when they try to break into a home, thsi type of crime would decrease.
Maybe. I don't know. Still sad I think.
1. I do also think that it is the business of government to be tough on crime.
2. This victims were lucky that their hero didn't get them all killed. Such outcomes often occur in these sorts of situations. But I agree with all of you... good for our hero.
3. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with a well regulated militia. I suppose the idea is that we would all be safer if we kept a gun in our backback or handbag. Is that the point?
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Posted: Wed 06 May 2009 19:46 Post subject:
erasmusinfinity wrote:
Maybe. I don't know. Still sad I think.
1. I do also think that it is the business of government to be tough on crime.
Absolutely. One of the major purpose for the existence of government.
erasmusinfinity wrote:
2. This victims were lucky that their hero didn't get them all killed. Such outcomes often occur in these sorts of situations. But I agree with all of you... good for our hero.
That is correct, but would not the outcome have been similar had they not had the means to defend themselves while waiting for the police?
erasmusinfinity wrote:
3. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with a well regulated militia. I suppose the idea is that we would all be safer if we kept a gun in our backback or handbag. Is that the point?
Well in Switzerland, people are required to keep a weapon in their home, or at least they used to. I don't think someone would break into a Swiss home. I know if I were a criminal, I would target those homes I was certain did not have the means to defend themselves. I guess that's human nature.
Regarding the specific case that sparked this thread, I can see how the victims are safer as a result of their gun. The outcome proves this for this particular case, despite my valid point that as many similar situations could likely prove far more disastrous. But could we say the same for the criminals? Were the criminals safer because of their guns? And even more to the point, were the victims safer because the criminals had guns?
Regardless of the matter of whether or not the outcome in this particular case turned out to be better than it might have if the criminals had guns and the victims didn't, it is important to note that the matter of the victim and his gun winning in a shootout over the criminals and their guns has no bearing on the role of guns in dishing out justice. It only has bearing on relative levels of marksmanship and luck. And these things have nothing to do with the matter of who is the perpetrator and who is the victim defending himself.
The question of how a collective decision to embrace private gun ownership effects the overall safety of its population is a valid one. In this context, guns are not private and independent instruments. They are socio-political devises that have grand and grave consequences for others. According to the Centers For Disease Control National Center for Injury Prevention & Control, in 2006 there were 30,896 deaths as the result of firearms.
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And of course these were thugs who tried to do this to their fellow Blacks. 
Yeah, I too can 'ignore' it as it doesn't affect me directly, but stereotypes do exist are can turn up in the least likely of places. Yes, AAs are not monolithic, have differing cultures, customs...yada, yada, yada, but yet in still, wasn't it you that said random white people congratulated you on Obama's victory? 
LOL! 
I would also expand the death penalty to "breaking and entering", any form of murder (I or II), child molestation where there is DNA evidence, rape where there is DNA evidence and evidence of violence, corruption of public officials who use state money, and any hate crime (because that level of barbaric groupism must be breeded out of the gene pool), drug dealing, and known gang membership too.
(I think they have the strictest societies, but the most civil, lol. 
