The New York Times missed the opportunity to publish a great op-ed letter to President Obama from Lou Pritchett, a former vice president of Procter & Gamble who worked for that company for 36 years until his retirement in 1989. So I thought I'd give his letter a little press through my syndicated column, and add a few more thoughts of my own.
Mr. Pritchett confirmed via Snopes that he was the author of the "open letter to President Obama": "I did write the 'you scare me' letter. I sent it to the NY Times but they never acknowledged or published it."
I think you'll readily see why any Left-leaning newspaper won't run it. Here's a copy:
Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America, and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and "class," always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the "blame America" crowd and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer "wind mills" to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
You scare me because you have begun to use "extortion" tactics against certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Reillys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett
Thank you, Mr. Pritchett, for your love for America, honesty and willingness to risk your reputation by speaking up to this administration.
Now let me add a few of my own fears to yours.
President Obama:
You scare me because so many amazing corporate and American leaders like Lou Pritchett say things about you like: 'You scare me.'"
You scare me because, after you initiate more government borrowing and bailouts than all presidents combined, you require Congress to follow a system that is "pay-as-you-go."
You scare me because you really do believe that going into massive amounts of debt can remedy our economy in the long run.
You scare me because you repeatedly still play the blame game with the Bush administration but never blame the Clinton administration, even though it was responsible for the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac subprime fiasco via the proliferation of loans to low income unqualified borrowers.
You scare me because you buy and run banking, automobile and soon health industries with taxpayers' money but refuse to call it socialism.
You scare me because your actions don't reflect the federal governmental constraints and fiscal prudent principles of our Founding Fathers and Constitution.
You scare me because you promise to lead from the center but drive hard and fast to the Left.
You scare me because you claim to be a fighter for minorities and constitutional promises of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, yet what greater minority can be defended than those in the womb, against whom you have already enacted more pro-abortion-related laws than anyone since Roe v. Wade?
You promise to defend the U.S. against all potential enemies, yet you pacify those who harbor terrorists, fight for the rights of combative detainees, and enable the enemies of Israel.
You scare me because you deny America's Judeo-Christian heritage before other countries of the world, espousing "the promise of a secular nation" during an age in which religious revisionism is already on the rise. (Thank God for Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., and others, who are even now trying to preserve America's religious history by proposing the passage of the Spiritual Heritage Bill 397 call or write your representative today to support it).
You scare me because your media team (including the mainstream media) will seek to label as radical, quarantine socially or in some way penalize any opposing conservative voices (like conservative talk-show hosts, news agencies, columnists or fellow actors like Jon Voight).
You scare me because, as we've all watched over your first 100 days in office, you can get away with all these things mentioned above, and the mainstream media and most of the public will continue to hail you as king.
You scare me because your media team will not address or diminish in any way your deification before the world, epitomized by the editor of Newsweek, who was on MSNBC's Chris Matthews' show and recently stated, "I mean, in a way Obama's standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of God." (How much scarier can it get than representative statements like that in a republic that once stood for equity among political powers and a government "by the people and for the people"?)
America, it's time to awaken from your slumber and quit looking to the government for answers, and start looking to real reputable sources. I recommend starting with Lou Pritchett's 1995 business book, "Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat."
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Mr. Pritchett confirmed via Snopes that he was the author of the "open letter to President Obama": "I did write the 'you scare me' letter. I sent it to the NY Times but they never acknowledged or published it."
Gee I wonder why.....
This says it all about the left wing media and how they view their Messiah:
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"I mean, in a way Obama's standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of God."
Astounding.
One of mine:
You scare me because you will not release the long version of you birth certificate that states the Hospital which you were born. Bidden, McCain, Hillary, and all the others ave done so. Right now, we are not really sure if you are Constitutionally eligible to the POTUS. Your media is not demanding answers. This should scare everyone.
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Posted: Mon 15 Jun 2009 14:33 Post subject:
Intelligent people tend to regard "Birthers," people who are obsessed with the irrelevant issue of Obama's birth certificate, as fools.
Obama's mother was an American citizen. Her ancestry goes back to the Colonial period. Obama is an American citizen by birth. Period.
You would like to argue, I suppose, that Obama's mother decided not to have her baby in Hawaii in a modern hospital surrounded by her family and friends. Instead, you believe, she spent 36 hours or so flying to Kenya to have her baby alone in a primitive hospital. Flying to Kenya from Hawaii was no easy task, and was astronomically expensive. This makes absolutely no sense, and there is absolutely no evidence for the claim.
What your demonstrating here is that you have no rational argument to make against Obama and his political platform. This is unfortunate, because you won't have a chance at countering the Democrats until you can let go of the disproved conspiracy theories and provide a clear eyed, rational alternative to Obama's policies.
"Obama is really an alien" won't cut it.
What's really funny about this is that the "Obama's not really an American citizen" meme got it start with many white identified Americans' discomfort over having a multiracial leader. When they say, "Obama is an alien" what they're really saying is, "Mixed people are not really Americans." That when Americans of European and African ancestry have children, the offspring are somehow unnatural.
I don't know about you, but this makes my blood run cold.
1. They embrace the weirdest, most illogical conspiracy theories about his nationality and religious beliefs rather than engage in reasonable critique of his numerous flaws and inevitable mistakes.
2. They seem to emerge from the fringes of political and social life (or maybe it's just that now even centrists center of right folks cannot be separated from communists in mainstream conservative circles) and their fears are often indistinguishable from those of white supremacists, neo-Nazis, violent militia groups, jihadist Christian extremists and racist relics.
3. They will become violent - there will be multiple assassination attempts brought out by this type of rhetoric and this sense of fear and loss that a certain segment of the right wing is feeling now that Obama is president.
4. They think Sarah Palin would make a good president.
5. Most importantly, they indicate that the rightist perspective in this country is becoming more and more extremist and ultimately violent (or supportive of violent "overthrow of tyranny") When this happens, more and more people will get hurt. George Tiller, those cops in Pittsburgh and the security guard at the National Holocaust Museum are just the beginning. Newly married gay couples, cross-color line couples and families, and everyone else who represents the decline of white supremacy, fundamentalist and literalist Christian theocracy had better learn how to shoot.
Norris' reputation in Hollywood is not one of wit or erudition. The letter itself is full of factual inaccuracies that would earn a journalism undergrad a failing grade at any reputable college. That an actor/athlete can't be bothered to do basic fact checking before he expresses his opinions on politics isn't surprising. What is surprising is that anyone would take Norris' opinions seriously.
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Posted: Tue 16 Jun 2009 14:02 Post subject:
odocoileus wrote:
Intelligent people tend to regard "Birthers," people who are obsessed with the irrelevant issue of Obama's birth certificate, as fools.
Well I suppose then that I am an unintelligent fool?
odocoileus wrote:
Obama's mother was an American citizen. Her ancestry goes back to the Colonial period. Obama is an American citizen by birth. Period.
That is true.
odocoileus wrote:
You would like to argue, I suppose, that Obama's mother decided not to have her baby in Hawaii in a modern hospital surrounded by her family and friends. Instead, you believe, she spent 36 hours or so flying to Kenya to have her baby alone in a primitive hospital. Flying to Kenya from Hawaii was no easy task, and was astronomically expensive. This makes absolutely no sense, and there is absolutely no evidence for the claim.
That is a valid arguement. So why the resistence to show the birth certificate stating which hospital he was born at? The State of Hawaii did include that on its birth certificates in 1961. What's the secret? What's the big deal. I would release my birth certificate if asked.
odocoileus wrote:
What your demonstrating here is that you have no rational argument to make against Obama and his political platform. This is unfortunate, because you won't have a chance at countering the Democrats until you can let go of the disproved conspiracy theories and provide a clear eyed, rational alternative to Obama's policies.
"Obama is really an alien" won't cut it.
Oh, I have a litany of rational arguements against Obama and his politcial platform, many stated right here in this forum. I do not think I or anyone else will need to counter the Democrats because I think ultimately they will self destruct.
odocoileus wrote:
What's really funny about this is that the "Obama's not really an American citizen" meme got it start with many white identified Americans' discomfort over having a multiracial leader. When they say, "Obama is an alien" what they're really saying is, "Mixed people are not really Americans." That when Americans of European and African ancestry have children, the offspring are somehow unnatural.
I don't know about you, but this makes my blood run cold.
What kind of crap is this??? Are you saying that if Obama was born in say, Mississippi, "fools" would be challenging whether or not he is a natural born citizen? If Colin Powell, born in the Bronx, was President, would people be challenging if he was a natural born citizen?? Please, this is the sort of rubbish I used to read on the "Black" forums.
The law at the time was if he was in fact born outside of the US, his mother was not old enough to confer US citizenship since his father was not a US citizen.
So you and sagascend can call me anything you want. Obama can put the issue to rest forever. He will not do it.
Norris' reputation in Hollywood is not one of wit or erudition. The letter itself is full of factual inaccuracies that would earn a journalism undergrad a failing grade at any reputable college. That an actor/athlete can't be bothered to do basic fact checking before he expresses his opinions on politics isn't surprising. What is surprising is that anyone would take Norris' opinions seriously.
You're attacking the messenger. The focus is not on Chuck Norris, it's Obama. Instead of attacking Norris, why don't you focus your attention on what he wrote. If his facts are wrong, line item them and we can debate them. That is much more effective than name calling.
This thread was not really about the birth certificate, though an important point of it.
Obama can shut us up once and for all. Why do I and others just have to take his word for it, when others have had to prove their birth. What makes him different? All he has to do is release the birth certificate, unless he has something to hide. If there's nothing to hide, then it's not big deal, is it?
Norris' reputation in Hollywood is not one of wit or erudition. The letter itself is full of factual inaccuracies that would earn a journalism undergrad a failing grade at any reputable college. That an actor/athlete can't be bothered to do basic fact checking before he expresses his opinions on politics isn't surprising. What is surprising is that anyone would take Norris' opinions seriously.
You're attacking the messenger. The focus is not on Chuck Norris, it's Obama. Instead of attacking Norris, why don't you focus your attention on what he wrote. If his facts are wrong, line item them and we can debate them. That is much more effective than name calling.
This thread was not really about the birth certificate, though an important point of it.
Obama can shut us up once and for all. Why do I and others just have to take his word for it, when others have had to prove their birth. What makes him different? All he has to do is release the birth certificate, unless he has something to hide. If there's nothing to hide, then it's not big deal, is it?
He doesn't have to prove anything to you. The state of Hawaii has certified and validated his birth in that state,
Lets be realistic for a second. My view is it is not a big issue with the majority of the electorate because they don't care. Legally he can not be president if he was not born in the U.S. If he was born to an American mother overseas they would have to apply for U.S. citizenship, meaning he was not "natural born" but that being said, if that were the case (ignoring the law) I don't think most people would care. Hell I don't even think most people understand what "natural born citizen" means.
What we know is Obama currently holds only U.S. citizenship and there is little evidence he spent any time in Kenya during his childhood and did not go there until he was an adult. He was raised primarily by Americans (and his Indonesian)
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Posted: Tue 16 Jun 2009 19:51 Post subject:
Dragon Horse wrote:
He doesn't have to prove anything to you. The state of Hawaii has certified and validated his birth in that state,
Really now?? I suppose he doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, why he is Barack Obama. They did, huh? Then release the records and that will shut us up once and for all at least with that issue.
While nearly 400,000 concerned citizens demand President Obama present his elusive "long-form" birth certificate, more than a dozen other documents remain unreleased or otherwise blocked from the public eye.
Numerous documents which have yet to be surrendered include the following.
Obama kindergarten records
The Maui News reported that Obama attended kindergarten at Noelani Elementary School on Oahu during the school year 1966-67. It released a photo of two teachers, Katherine Nakamoto and Aimee Yatsushiro, with five students. The teachers claim one of the children is Barack Obama.
According to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register. Parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country.
So far, no records have been released by the school. Noelani Elementary School officials have not responded to WND's request for comment.
Punahou School records
Though from a modest background, Obama began attending the prestigious Punahou School in Honolulu, one of Hawaii's top private institutions. He reportedly received a scholarship and attended the school from the fifth grade until he finished high school, though no financial records have been released.
The Boston Globe reported, "In 1979, the year Obama graduated, tuition for high school students at Punahou was $1,990, a sizable expense compared with Hawaii's median family income of $22,750 that year.
Obama, reportedly a "B" student, studied among the island's richest and most accomplished students. According to the school's website, he also played forward on Punahou's 1979 state championship basketball team.
Occidental College records
Obama arrived at Occidental College, a small liberal arts school in Los Angeles, Calif., in the fall of 1979. He only briefly mentions the school in his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father."
Obama attended the school on a scholarship. Some question whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. Financial records have not been released.
In a legal action, handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice Foundation, officials at Occidental College were served with a demand to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980s because they could document whether he was attending as a foreign national.
Kreep petitioned the college with a demand for its records concerning Obama.
"The gravamen of the petition is the question as to whether United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama, of Illinois, is eligible to serve as president of the United States pursuant to the requirements for that office in the United States Constitution," he wrote. "The records sought may provide documentary evidence, and/or admissions by said defendant, as to said eligibility or lack thereof."
College officials then contacted Obama's lawyers, who argued to the court that the election was over and that future concerns should be addressed to Congress.
The motion stated that the records, which could reveal on what name Obama attended classes at Occidental and whether he attended on scholarship money intended for foreign students, "are of no relevance to this moot litigation."
The motion also claimed the petitioners failed to serve the subpoena properly.
"The subpoena directed to Occidental College should therefore be quashed. Alternatively, this court should issue an order directing that the deposition of the custodian of records of Occidental College not take place," the firm working on Obama's behalf stated.
"The central issue in this lawsuit is whether any Respondent had a legal duty to demand proof of natural born citizenship from Democratic Party's nominee," the motion said. "None of the documents sought by petitioners could possibly assist in answering this question."
A judge granted a motion to quash the subpoena.
"Obama's attorneys bent over backward to block us," Kreep told WND. "Obama doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's trying to hide them."
His efforts resulted in a threat from Obama's attorneys to seek financial sanctions against the plaintiff's lawyers.
Kreep said a notice of appeal will be filed next week.
A notice posted on the Occidental College website states, "Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) regulations protect the privacy of student education records. We, therefore, cannot disclose students' classes, grade point averages, majors or other such information."
Columbia University records
Obama transferred from Occidental College to Columbia University in 1981, at the age of 20.
According to the New York Times, Obama "suggests in his book that his years in New York were a pivotal period: He ran three miles a day, buckled down to work and 'stopped getting high,' which he says he had started doing in high school. Yet he declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years."
Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told the newspaper in October 2007, "He doesnt remember the names of a lot of people in his life."
In a 2005 profile in a Columbia alumni magazine, Obama called his time at the school "an intense period of study."
"I spent a lot of time in the library. I didn't socialize that much. I was like a monk," he said.
Obama claimed to be a part of the Black Student Organization and anti-apartheid activities. But according to the New York Times, several well-known student leaders did not recall his involvement.
Fox News made contact with 400 of Obama's classmates. No one remembered him.
The Columbia University chapter in Obama's life remains blank, according to the New York Sun.
"The Obama campaign has refused to release his college transcript, despite an academic career that led him to Harvard Law School and, later, to a lecturing position at the University of Chicago," the Sun reported in September 2008. "The shroud surrounding his experience at Columbia contrasts with that of other major party nominees since 2000, all whom have eventually released information about their college performance or seen it leaked to the public."
When the newspaper inquired, the Obama campaign did not offer an explanation for why the transcript had not been released.
According to the New York Sun, a program from Columbia's 1983 commencement ceremony lists Obama as a graduate. University spokesman Brian Connolly confirmed that Obama graduated with a major in political science but without honors. Nonetheless, he was later admitted to Harvard Law School.
Columbia thesis "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"
Before applying to Harvard, Obama is said to have written a major thesis in his senior year. It has not been released.
Soviet nuclear missile
An Oct 30, 2007, a New York Times article stated, "[Obama] barely mentions Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred in his junior year, majoring in political science and international relations and writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament."
Former Columbia professor, Michael Baron, told NBC News Obama excelled in his year-long honors seminar called American Foreign Policy.
He also said Obama spent a whole year writing a "thesis" or "senior thesis" on the topic of nuclear negotiations with the former Soviet Union.
"My recollection is that the paper was an analysis of the evolution of the arms reduction negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United States," Baron told reporters in an e-mail. "At that time, a hot topic in foreign policy circles was finding a way in which each country could safely reduce the large arsenal of nuclear weapons pointed at the other For U.S. policy makers in both political parties, the aim was not disarmament, but achieving deep reductions in the Soviet nuclear arsenal and keeping a substantial and permanent American advantage. As I remember it, the paper was about those negotiations, their tactics and chances for success. Barack got an A."
Baron said he saved Obama's paper and recently searched through boxes hoping to find it, but he told reporters he may have thrown it away during a move several years ago.
Baron wrote a letter of recommendation when Obama applied to Harvard Law School. According to Federal Election Commission records, he also donated at least $1,250 to Obama's presidential campaign.
On July 24, 2008, the Obama administration told NBC News Obama was unable to release copies of his thesis paper.
"We do not have a copy of the course paper you requested and neither does Columbia University," Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said.
According to MSNBC, Columbia University officials claim they do not have a copy available in the college's archives.
Harvard Law School records
With less than steller marks upon his graduation from Columbia, Obama was accepted into Harvard Law School.
WND columnist Jack Cashill wrote, "If Obama's LSAT scores merited admission (to Harvard), we would know about them. We don't. The Obama camp guards those scores, like his SAT scores, more tightly that Iran does its nuclear secrets."
He continued, "We know enough about Obama's Columbia grades to know how far they fall below the Harvard norm, likely even below the affirmative action-adjusted black norm at Harvard."
Cashill wrote, Khalid al-Mansour, principle adviser to Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, lobbied friends like Manhattan Borough President Percy Sutton to intervene at Harvard on Obama's behalf. Al-Mansour reportedly mentored founders of the Black Panther party in the early 1960s.
Cashill suggests Obama's "shyness" about his Harvard experience may stem from his reluctance to broadcast his connections.
According to Politico, Obama's name does not appear on any legal scholarships during his time at Harvard. His campaign reportedly said his Harvard education was a product of hard work and student loans. Obama graduated magna cum laude in 1991.
Harvard Law Review articles
In 1990, Obama beat out 18 other contenders to become the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, where he spent at least 50 hours a week editing submissions from judges, scholars and authors.
According to Politico, there were "eight dense volumes produced during his time in charge there 2,083 pages in all."
Campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told Politico Obama didn't write any articles for the Review, but he did leave behind numerous case analyses and unsigned "notes" from Harvard students.
As Matthew Franck noted in National Review Online, "A search of the HeinOnline database of law journals turns up exactly nothing credited to Obama in any law review anywhere at any time."
Susan Estrich, the first female president of the Review who served 14 years earlier, said Obama must have had something published that year, even if his campaign denied it.
"They probably don't want [to] have you [reporters] going back" to examine the Review, she said.
However, Politico later reported it had unearthed a 1990 article that "offers a glimpse at Obama's views on abortion policy and the law during his student days."
His six-page summary answers a legal question about whether fetuses should be allowed to file lawsuits against their mothers.
"Obama's answer, like most courts': No," Politico reported. "He wrote approvingly of an Illinois Supreme Court ruling that the unborn cannot sue their mothers for negligence, and he suggested that allowing fetuses to sue would violate the mother's rights and could, perversely, cause her to take more risks with her pregnancy."
The report continued, "His article acknowledged a public interest in the health of the fetus, but also seemed to demonstrate his continuing commitment to abortion rights, and suggested that the government may have more important concerns than 'ensuring that any particular fetus is born.'"
Despite its earlier statement, the Obama campaign later confirmed Obama's authorship of the article and claimed it was the only piece he had written for the Review.
University of Chicago scholarly articles
Obama lectured at the University of Chicago Law School, a top school where the faculty is known for voluminous scholarly publishing, from 1992 until 2004.
The university offered Obama a full-time tenure-track position, an honor typically reserved for published instructors. However, reporters have been unable to find scholarly articles authored by him. The university reports that Obama declined the tenure offer.
Sarah Galer, news editor at the Law School and Harris School of Public Policy at the University of Chicago, told WND, "President Obama wrote 'Dreams from My Father' while at the law school but did not produce any scholarly articles as far as I know."
Passport
According to March 2008 reports, State Department employees conducted an unauthorized search of Obama's passport files during the recent presidential campaign. CNN reported that three different contract workers accessed his information on separate occasions Jan. 9, Feb. 21 and March 14 without authorization. Two workers were fired and another faced discipline.
Obama's files reportedly contained copies of passport applications, birth date, basic biographical information, records of passport renewal and possibly citizenship information.
The Obama campaign demanded a thorough investigation to determine which employees looked at the file and why.
"This is an outrageous breach of security and privacy, even from an administration that has shown little regard for either over the last eight years," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton told CNN in a statement. "Our government's duty is to protect the private information of the American people, not use it for political purposes."
Meanwhile, a key witness who had been cooperating with federal investigators was later found fatally shot in front of a Washington, D.C., church. A police officer found the body of Lt. Quarles Harris Jr., 24, slumped dead inside his car.
At the time, investigators said they didn't have any information connecting the murder to the passport case. After one year of investigation of the homicide, there have been no arrests.
The passport has not been released.
Medical records
During his first presidential campaign in 1999, Sen. John McCain released 1,500 pages of medical and psychiatric records collected by the Navy. In 2008, McCain allowed reporters to spend three hours sifting through 1,200 pages of health records.
In 1999, former Vice President Al Gore released medical records revealing "mildly elevated" cholesterol levels and removal of a common form of skin cancer from his forehead in 1997. The documents disclosed his weight, resting heart rate, resting blood pressure, cardiovascular fitness and a variety of other health details. Gore's records were compiled after a complete physical examination by several military physicians.
Likewise, President George W. Bush allowed the media to view about 400 pages of personal medical information in 2000 and 2004.
After initial reluctance, Sen. John Kerry allowed the Navy to release his full medical records in 2004.
While not all have done so, it has been common practice for presidential candidates to release medical records.
However, Barack Obama, a relatively young candidate who was said to have been in "excellent health," refused to release medical records. Instead, he simply provided a six-paragraph note from his physician briefly summarizing 21 years of doctor visits and health information.
The letter contained no supporting documentation.
Other documents
According to additional records listed at the Obama File Report, other documents that remain unreleased include:
Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the
Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
Illinois State Bar Association records
Baptism records
Obama/Dunham marriage license
Obama/Dunham divorce documents
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
Adoption records
Birth certificate
WND has been reporting since before the election on questions and lawsuits raised over Obama's birth and eligibility. He reported in his book he was born in Hawaii and his half-sister agrees. But the woman the president says is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, claimed to have been present at her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya.
The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
Complicating the issue are Obama's move to Indonesia as a child, where he reportedly attended that nation's public schools, and his later travels to Pakistan, raising questions about on what nation's passport was that travel accomplished. Then there are the multiple law firms hired to make certain Obama's long-form birth certificate information, and other documentation such as college records, remain sealed from public view.
Obama's presidential campaign released to select news organizations only what is known as a "certification of live birth," a document obtainable in Hawaii in 1961 by Americans actually born outside the country. However, Joseph Farah, WND editor and chief executive officer, has been calling for the release of Obama's long-form birth certificate showing the hospital of his birth, attending physician and other details to confirm his citizenship status.
The campaign got a boost recently when WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asked Obama's press secretary, Robert Gibbs, why the president wouldn't release his birth certificate. Gibbs' response was covered live on C-SPAN and by Fox News Channel and others excluding CBS.
It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."
Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," but no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.
Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected officials in Washington, corrupt judges around the country and a news media that show a stunning lack of curiosity about the most basic facts of Obama's background especially how it relates to constitutional eligibility for the highest office in the land.
"As Obama transforms this country from self-governing constitutional republic to one governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact remains that no controlling legal authority has established that he is indeed a 'natural born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah said. "Obama's promises of transparency have become a bad joke as he continues to hide simple, innocuous documents like his birth certificate and his student records."
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Posted: Thu 18 Jun 2009 13:37 Post subject:
DChapman wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
He doesn't have to prove anything to you. The state of Hawaii has certified and validated his birth in that state,
Really now?? I suppose he doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, why he is Barack Obama. They did, huh? Then release the records and that will shut us up once and for all at least with that issue.
The Supreme Court has decided it is a non issue so he doesn't have to release anything. This is a conservative court, I remind you.
Basically you are saying that various courts, the State of Hawaii, various civil servants are all liars involved in a conspiracy.
You honestly believe that all those people can really keep a secret with no leak, when we have not even been able to keep nukes a secret.
This is why I find this argument ridiculous, and as I said, most people don't care anyway. This is a fringe paranoid, 50 guns barred under the back shed, waiting on the race war/totalitarian government nightmare scenario kind of stuff.
The reason we don't let non-natural born citizens become president is because we worry over their allegiance funny thing is many of the founding fathers were not born in the British Colonies. LOL
There is no evidence that Obama has any allegiance to any foreign nation over the U.S. He did not go to Kenya until he was an adult and was not close to his father at all. He lived in Indonesia as a small child and came there due to the fact his mother married a man and then they later divorced.
Why can't the public view Bush's records of his "Nat.Guard " time in Alabama?
HA! What was the question again?
This is like the typical response I get from some AAs whenever you question a cultural ailment, say black illegitmacy rates (~70% nationwide).
The 'typical' reponse isn't..,,well, that's a shame (as it should be!) or WE NEED TO DO BETTER. No, instead you get, "Well, White people...yada..yada...yada...."
Obama doesn't scare me. His lack of experience, vanity, ideology, and appeasement do! And look at N. Korea and Iran showing out (again). They know a 'Jimmy Carter' when they see one. LOL!
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Posted: Fri 19 Jun 2009 16:06 Post subject:
Dragon Horse wrote:
DChapman wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
He doesn't have to prove anything to you. The state of Hawaii has certified and validated his birth in that state,
Really now?? I suppose he doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, why he is Barack Obama. They did, huh? Then release the records and that will shut us up once and for all at least with that issue.
The Supreme Court has decided it is a non issue so he doesn't have to release anything. This is a conservative court, I remind you.
No, it's not a conservative court. The conservatives are Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia, that's 4 out of 9.
Dragon Horse wrote:
Basically you are saying that various courts, the State of Hawaii, various civil servants are all liars involved in a conspiracy.
You honestly believe that all those people can really keep a secret with no leak, when we have not even been able to keep nukes a secret.
Something is up here. If there's nothing to hide, then release the documents, what's the big deal, all the others have. What makes Obama so special? The issue here is if the info does exist, and it would prove what folks like me think it does, then it would create a situation never before experienced in the US. So it would best not to set off this sort of situatuon. That's what I think anyway. There would be a dear price to pay if the info leaked out, if it exists. Me thinks it does just by the way they all react.
Dragon Horse wrote:
This is why I find this argument ridiculous, and as I said, most people don't care anyway. This is a fringe paranoid, 50 guns barred under the back shed, waiting on the race war/totalitarian government nightmare scenario kind of stuff.
Most people don't care? So they don't care if the Constitution is being usurped, or not followed. If the people do not care as you say, the the proper channel to take would be a Constitutional Amendment to override:
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The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
By ignoring it because you do not like it or don't care would set a dangerous precedent. Gee when the politicians get wind that the people don't care, they can take all the power they want eventually, to hell with the Constituton because the people don't care anyway. Then we will not have a Constituional Republic, which we are well on ur way to not having anyway. Anyway, if I am considered fringe, then so be it. Historically, I'm in good company. Sir Winston Churchill was considered on the fringe in pre WWII late '30s Britain. The rest as they say is history.
Dragon Horse wrote:
The reason we don't let non-natural born citizens become president is because we worry over their allegiance funny thing is many of the founding fathers were not born in the British Colonies. LOL
Which of the Founding Fathers was not born in the British Colonies? I know Patrick Henry was born in England. Most importantly, which of the first 7 Presidents was not born in the Colonies? Van Buren (OK) was the first President born after US independence in 1782.
Dragon Horse wrote:
There is no evidence that Obama has any allegiance to any foreign nation over the U.S. He did not go to Kenya until he was an adult and was not close to his father at all. He lived in Indonesia as a small child and came there due to the fact his mother married a man and then they later divorced.
I'm not so sure about that. I'm not saying it's true, but I just don't know. He will not release any of the information for some reason.
Why can't the public view Bush's records of his "Nat.Guard " time in Alabama?
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HA! What was the question again? :lol:
This is like the typical response I get from some AAs whenever you question a cultural ailment, say black illegitmacy rates (~70% nationwide).
The 'typical' reponse isn't..,,well, that's a shame (as it should be!) or WE NEED TO DO BETTER. No, instead you get, "Well, White people...yada..yada...yada...." :roll:
Obama doesn't scare me. His lack of experience, vanity, ideology, and appeasement do! :evil: And look at N. Korea and Iran showing out (again). :lol: They know a 'Jimmy Carter' when they see one. LOL!
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No,no,don't lump me in with those who say,"Well,the Whites have been doing this that....I agree with you on that. I do not vote or support anything as long it orhe/she is BA.I was sincerely throwing that question up..It was not scary nor were many other things under Bush-Chaney.These wars we are in and can't get out are not scary for you.
Amer.politics today is way biased.From politicans onto voters,it is my side is right.Your side is wrong. What is happening now in Iran makes my point I have been saying about the Middle East.The people there have to call on their change where these countries see they need change.The U.S. cannot make their change according to how the U.S. sees fit. If this change in Iran turns out good Reps.will say Bush/Chaney began the process. If it is a mess,then it is Obama's mess. You cannot have it both ways.Everything scares Norris and friend,but nothing was scary about Bush.
-------I could not answer all of his spooky sentences.
They are silly and are just Rep.soundbites.Obama not being American,and his formative years,LOL, not in the U.S.is just insulting.What is Obama if not Amer.,British?Canadian?Dannish?
As for the question of Obama's place of birth, I thought that rumor started when his Kenyan grandmother claimed to have been present at his birth IN KENYA. I don't believe it was claimed that his mother planned to have him there, but that she went to visit and ended up having him in Kenya. I am not saying I believe this to be the case, but when charged with such a thing, I would, like Dean, think that any and all supporting documents would be quickly released to squash such talk.
Some in this thread have claimed that a Kenyan birth would have been irrelevant, since his mother was a U.S. citizen. It may not be as cut and dry as some believe. First of all, the U.S. Constitution requires that our Presidents be "natural born" citizens.
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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
The fact of Obama's U.S. citizenship was never called into question. Whether or not he was natural born was. The same thing happened with John McCain who was born to TWO U.S. citizens, one who was serving his country in the Navy at the time. Yet, because Senator McCain was born in the Panama Zone, his natural born status was questioned. All necessary documentation was presented and no nagging doubts were left unanswered.
So, at the time of Obama's birth, had he been born in Kenya, having only ONE parent who was a U.S. citizen, would the law/code at that time have classified him as a "natural born citizen"?
Again, I am not saying I believe he was born in Kenya. What I am saying is that many still seem to doubt the documents that have been accepted as proof and those who are quick to say "he's a citizen, anyway" might want to take a step back and realize that there are valid reasons for people to question and doubt.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).
"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.
So, the doubts go something like this...what if Obama really was born in Kenya? Since his father was a Kenyan national and his mother was only 18, then IS Obama a "natural born" citizen? Is he eligible to serve as a United States President according to our Constitution?
I know some people will ignore all of this reasoning anyway and just assume that all of these doubts and questions are borne out of bigotry. But, I wonder how those people would explain this same line of doubts and questions in regard to McCain's bid for the U.S. Presidency.
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Posted: Mon 22 Jun 2009 12:51 Post subject:
Sonia, you hit the nail on the head. I am not saying, and have not said, that Obama is not natural born, I just don't know. But the way he and his camp are acting is like there is something there and they need to hide it. It is their suspicious behaviour that gets me more than anything else. The first thing I would do is get all documents on the table, they have not done this and people who question things want to know why.
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Posted: Mon 22 Jun 2009 12:55 Post subject:
Dchapman:
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By ignoring it because you do not like it or don't care would set a dangerous precedent. Gee when the politicians get wind that the people don't care, they can take all the power they want eventually, to hell with the Constituton because the people don't care anyway. Then we will not have a Constituional Republic, which we are well on ur way to not having anyway. Anyway, if I am considered fringe, then so be it. Historically, I'm in good company. Sir Winston Churchill was considered on the fringe in pre WWII late '30s Britain. The rest as they say is history.
Uhm...most americans don't vote, ever, that give you any idea...?
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And look at N. Korea and Iran showing out (again). 
I don't believe it was claimed that his mother planned to have him there, but that she went to visit and ended up having him in Kenya. I am not saying I believe this to be the case, but when charged with such a thing, I would, like Dean, think that any and all supporting documents would be quickly released to squash such talk.