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PostPosted: Tue 12 Jun 2007 21:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi there, Cherri. Hmm...I wouldn't know because I don't tan. I have very pale white skin that burns severely and I'm somewhat photosensitive in sunlight. If anything, I like being fair-skinned and avoid tanning/burning at all costs.

Shea butter is very beneficial to both the hair and skin, tho. It has soothing, nourishing properties. It helps you if your hair tends to dryness and it works wonders on dry, rough skin. It wouldn't hurt you to try some. As I said before, I don't know of it being used for tanning. Perhaps you should look that up online or ask a dermatologist. This thread was about beauty salons/hair, but I appreciate your question very much. Smile

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Thank you no i don`t want a tan Laughing i`m trying to avoid getting a tan i had a bright light skin brown colour which got darker due to tanning i had too much sun exposure,now my tan is fading,a little tan on my neck,back,lot on the butt Laughing ,some on my legs needs to go.My skin is extreamly sensitive now i get bad heat rash all over if i don`t wear long sleves,and a hat.My nose bleeds if its too humid it happen my whole life.sorry don`t want to take away the meaning of the thread,its very interesting.


Shea butter will help with post-sunburn skin irritation. But get the pure, unrefined kind, not the refined butter or lotions containing it. It will not prevent a sunburn though.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2007 17:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sagascend, you mentioned oil is not good for the hair. Would you please explain that further please? I use olive oil and coconut oil and I have been told it is not good for the hair.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Jun 2007 20:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beauty wrote:
Sagascend, you mentioned oil is not good for the hair. Would you please explain that further please? I use olive oil and coconut oil and I have been told it is not good for the hair.


Oh no, I said that oil isn't a moisturizer. Oils are fantastic for your hair as hot oil treatments (except for cheap mineral oils and petroleum based oils). I give myself an olive oil and avocado oil treatment every week. Many people also use oil (in pomades, etc.) to style their hair but no one needs to do so. All it does is weigh down the hair shaft.

What I have read, and believe based on personal results, is that the following oils in their pure form are very nourishing to skin and hair:

Jojoba (which is technically a wax)
Shea butter
Olive
Avocado (also the fruit mashed into a paste works well as a deep conditioner)
Apricot
Grapeseed
Safflower
Evening Primrose
Palm oil (not palm kernel)
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007 09:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sagescend, thank you for your reply. It is necessary to put moisturizers in your hair in additions to the oils? I use the pink moisturizer in my hair occasionally but I am a bit wary of putting products in my hair because black hair products have been linked to cancer.
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007 20:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beauty wrote:
Sagescend, thank you for your reply. It is necessary to put moisturizers in your hair in additions to the oils? I use the pink moisturizer in my hair occasionally but I am a bit wary of putting products in my hair because black hair products have been linked to cancer.


Really? Surprised I had no idea. Is it the parabens or something else?

I think so. I swear by Sebastian Potion Number Nine. Whatever magic comes together in that orange glop makes my hair shiny, soft and never greasy. I use gel as well if I am wearing a slick pony tail.

My mother recently stopped relaxing her hair and has the cutest short style. She always said that her hair wasn't like mine so she couldn't wear it natural so she had it pressed every week. I convinced her to wash it out, put some SPNN on it this morning and it fell it little corkscrew curls all over her head. She was amazed. Her curl pattern is a little more coiled than mine but I saw that our hair texture is very similar.

Garnier Fructis also makes a line of products for curly hair. I use their spray gel. I tried the shampoo/conditioner once. They work but I don't like the smell.

Aveda makes a fantastic shampoo/conditioner called "Be Curly" but they are pricey.

The one ingredient I would stay away from is dimethicone. I was using Pantene and a line of products called Noodle Head (for curly hair) and my stylist told me that these products were leaving a rough white film on my hair that she saw when she pressed it. When I got rid of products with that ingredient the film went away.

If you are branching out I hope you try the SPNN. Let me know if it works for you!
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Jun 2007 20:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently, there are hormones in the products which increases the risk of getting cancer particulary on younger woman and girls. It has also been linked to earlier puberty. There were cases of babies going through early puberty.
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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jun 2007 19:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

sagascend wrote:
cherri2 wrote:
pianoplayer111 wrote:
Hi there, Cherri. Hmm...I wouldn't know because I don't tan. I have very pale white skin that burns severely and I'm somewhat photosensitive in sunlight. If anything, I like being fair-skinned and avoid tanning/burning at all costs.

Shea butter is very beneficial to both the hair and skin, tho. It has soothing, nourishing properties. It helps you if your hair tends to dryness and it works wonders on dry, rough skin. It wouldn't hurt you to try some. As I said before, I don't know of it being used for tanning. Perhaps you should look that up online or ask a dermatologist. This thread was about beauty salons/hair, but I appreciate your question very much. Smile

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Thank you no i don`t want a tan Laughing i`m trying to avoid getting a tan i had a bright light skin brown colour which got darker due to tanning i had too much sun exposure,now my tan is fading,a little tan on my neck,back,lot on the butt Laughing ,some on my legs needs to go.My skin is extreamly sensitive now i get bad heat rash all over if i don`t wear long sleves,and a hat.My nose bleeds if its too humid it happen my whole life.sorry don`t want to take away the meaning of the thread,its very interesting.


Shea butter will help with post-sunburn skin irritation. But get the pure, unrefined kind, not the refined butter or lotions containing it. It will not prevent a sunburn though.

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Jun 2007 19:17    Post subject: hi Reply with quote

sagascend wrote:
Beauty wrote:
Sagascend, you mentioned oil is not good for the hair. Would you please explain that further please? I use olive oil and coconut oil and I have been told it is not good for the hair.


Oh no, I said that oil isn't a moisturizer. Oils are fantastic for your hair as hot oil treatments (except for cheap mineral oils and petroleum based oils). I give myself an olive oil and avocado oil treatment every week. Many people also use oil (in pomades, etc.) to style their hair but no one needs to do so. All it does is weigh down the hair shaft.

What I have read, and believe based on personal results, is that the following oils in their pure form are very nourishing to skin and hair:

Jojoba (which is technically a wax)
Shea butter
Olive
Avocado (also the fruit mashed into a paste works well as a deep conditioner)
Apricot
Grapeseed
Safflower
Evening Primrose
Palm oil (not palm kernel)

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Is shea butter a moisterizer for the hair? i never knew that olive only coats the hair not style it.I use it for hot oil treatments every week,but when I miss a week for doing a hot oil treatment my hair won`t get curly when i wash it.Does it mean that my hair gets dry quickly?
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jun 2007 01:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome! I have never used just shea butter on my hair but I think that many African use it as a hair dressing.

About your hair being dry - what kind of conditioner do you use and how often do you use it? If you are not using a leave-in conditioner and you have curly hair I would recommend doing so. Especially if you live in a dry climate. I live in the Southwest and the intense dry heat can really put a lot of wear and tear on skin and hair.
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PostPosted: Mon 18 Jun 2007 13:04    Post subject: hi Reply with quote

sagascend wrote:
You're welcome! I have never used just shea butter on my hair but I think that many African use it as a hair dressing.

About your hair being dry - what kind of conditioner do you use and how often do you use it? If you are not using a leave-in conditioner and you have curly hair I would recommend doing so. Especially if you live in a dry climate. I live in the Southwest and the intense dry heat can really put a lot of wear and tear on skin and hair.

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I just got these 2 products last week : aubrey island naturals conditioner and moisterizing jelly for styling(it doesn`t have a strong hold).I do a conditioned wash every 2 days or so.I mix the conditioner with the unrefined shea butter and olive oil and i use it as a leave in.I don`t want to use it as a leave in all the time because i perfer using a watery leave in conditioner and i don`t have one.
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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun 2007 10:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have come to despise 'black' salons. Every time I have ever gone to one something bad happened. As far as straightening combs go, I have been severely burned more times than I can easily count, have had my hair fall out as a result of my stepmother, who is black, telling the stylist to perm my hair(age 15), and have had my waist length hair cut above my shoulders when I was almost 14 as a result of asking for a 'trim'.

Crying or Very sad

And of course when they are done I feel like I could donate grease to at least 5 people. I am almost 24 years old and still have not found a middle ground.


I also get annoyed when going to ordinary salons and they tell me that they don't do ethnic hair. First off, what is ethnic hair, and when was curly hair restricted to any one type of person?

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PostPosted: Sat 30 Jun 2007 18:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiingashk83 wrote:

I also get annoyed when going to ordinary salons and they tell me that they don't do ethnic hair. First off, what is ethnic hair, and when was curly hair restricted to any one type of person?


Been there, done that. Sad It's really annoying/ frustrating because curly knows no specific ethnicity.

Actually, a hair stylist should be trained to cut all types of hair, at least that's what I was told years ago from a Sassoon-trained stylist.

I wear my curly hair natural (no chemicals) and I can get a relatively good cut, but I have not found a stylist who *really* knows how to wash/ condition & comb hair. Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Jul 2007 14:12    Post subject: hi Reply with quote

Wiingashk83 wrote:
I have come to despise 'black' salons. Every time I have ever gone to one something bad happened. As far as straightening combs go, I have been severely burned more times than I can easily count, have had my hair fall out as a result of my stepmother, who is black, telling the stylist to perm my hair(age 15), and have had my waist length hair cut above my shoulders when I was almost 14 as a result of asking for a 'trim'.

Crying or Very sad

And of course when they are done I feel like I could donate grease to at least 5 people. I am almost 24 years old and still have not found a middle ground.

I also get annoyed when going to ordinary salons and they tell me that they don't do ethnic hair. First off, what is ethnic hair, and when was curly hair restricted to any one type of person?

Confused

Wiingashk

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I can`t believe that they cut your hair to your shoulders did they think that you didn`t deserve waist length hair?.That`s why I don`t trust salons.A black lady press my hair around march 2006 and 2 weeks later my hair started to fall out from the roots.Its a good thing that i`m 100%natural now.

Wow you can give hair grease to 5 people that`s funney. Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2007 01:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think some people don't know what to do with different types of hair. I wouldn't go to a black beauty salon ( I would only if I knew and trusted the people who worked there) because most of them don't know how to handle my hair. Like mixedmom said, heavy oils don't work well with certain hair types. While trimming is needed to keep it looking nice now and then, it is not necessary to snip off a foot of hair. Laughing

White salons work with my hair pretty well...I've had the occasional comment about "ethnic" hair from one or two people but I'm like, whatever. Rolling Eyes All people have this so-called "ethnic" hair. It is one of the ways people try to define, determine, and judge the race of others. I prefer to wash and run out the door. I rarely go to the beauty shop...there's only one person I trust to do my hair besides my mom and myself anyway. I consider it a luxury to go to the salon. The lady who does my hair about once a year simply gives me a shampoo, blows out my hip-length hair (which takes about an hour to do), and puts this stuff on it that smells delicious. While we're on the subject, do you guys prefer natural beauty products or more high-end stuff?
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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jul 2007 19:46    Post subject: re Reply with quote

Natural beauty products from health food stores that doesn`t contain chemicals but only things from the earth.I would love to swim in a cave that contains healthy water to cleanse myself Laughing.I heard that Hot springs in Japan does something to the body.
I don`t have much money so I just use soap and water Sad
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Apr 2008 05:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, im chinese but i never have complete straight hair. in fact quite a bit of them are on the wavy/curly side and rest is just hold whatever shape they got air-dried in.

i dont like going back to hong kong (where im from) to have my hair cut because they constant suggest that either i got a straight/ionic perm (which i dont like) or just cut it short (which look bad on me).
im in canada right now and a indian lady cuts my hair, i dont know how that gonna turns out and mayb i might have to get a new hair dresser if the next appointment doesnt work out.
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Apr 2008 17:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

geekycat8927 wrote:
well, im chinese but i never have complete straight hair. in fact quite a bit of them are on the wavy/curly side and rest is just hold whatever shape they got air-dried in.

i dont like going back to hong kong (where im from) to have my hair cut because they constant suggest that either i got a straight/ionic perm (which i dont like) or just cut it short (which look bad on me).
im in canada right now and a indian lady cuts my hair, i dont know how that gonna turns out and mayb i might have to get a new hair dresser if the next appointment doesnt work out.


What happens if you blow dry your hair? Usually, this tends to make my hair a lot straighter than if I allow my hair to air dry.
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PostPosted: Wed 09 Apr 2008 07:47    Post subject: Hello all of you hairtalkers!! Reply with quote

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Some of you are talking about "pressing the hair. What is that? I have never heard about it before. And you also talk about straightening combs, what is that? Can someone explain?
My experience with "black salons" are only here in Sweden, I have been to one once and I will never go back. Most of the black salons here in Sweden have stylists from Africa.
I went there to straighten my hair (my hair is long, to the middle of my back and wavy/corkscrewy with big curls) and I thougth that they would know how to deal with it, but they didn't.
Although I said that my hair needed a very light (not so strong) relaxer she used a strong one and much of my hair fell of after some days and I also got bruses in my scalp. And I also told her that I didn't want any oil at all, my hair doesn't need any oil, oil only makes it very greasy and flat, but she put oil in it anyway!!! It looked terrible I had to go straight home and wash it out. It is like the African black women don't understand that you have to treat wavy/curly hair different than kinky hair. I have two other biracial friends who had the same experience from black salons here in Sweden.
I never went there again, now I wear my hair natural and if I want to have it straight I use my flat iron, it's enough for my hair, it becomes totally straight when I use the flat iron and it lasts until I wash it the next time. When I went to the black salon there was no flat iron jet in Sweden.I
I agree thet it is much easier to have straight hair, when my hair is straight I just comb through it and then I'm ready to go. When I wear it curly/wavy I have to make it wet and put a curl enhancing product in it to get nice curls.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Apr 2008 07:10    Post subject: Re: Going to Salons Reply with quote

Liana wrote:
Years ago when the multiracial movement had not fully formed, it was hard to find someone who knew what to do with my hard.
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Apr 2008 08:19    Post subject: Re: Hello all of you hairtalkers!! Reply with quote

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Very Happy
Some of you are talking about "pressing the hair. What is that? I have never heard about it before. And you also talk about straightening combs, what is that? Can someone explain?


Down south we call it a hot comb.

It is a comb, fashioned out of solid iron with a wooden handle.
It is heated on the stove to a temperature than will cause 3rd degree burns.
When used on hair (pressing) it makes it straight.
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