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pennypincha
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 Posted: Tue 20 May 2008 10:59 Post subject: Popular People |
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| I have observed a certain standard of information on this site, however when you view recent post under popular people all logic flys out the window. The misonformation in that area is overwhelming. |
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fwsweet
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| Posted: Tue 20 May 2008 12:24 Post subject: Re: Popular People |
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| pennypincha wrote: | | I have observed a certain standard of information on this site, however when you view recent post under popular people all logic flys out the window. The misinformation in that area is overwhelming. |
I shall let Tyrone address your concern.
Nevertheless, I would like to make one observation. Celebrities invest a great deal of money and professional expertise into positioning themselves for whichever ethnic market seems profitable at any given moment. For example, Heather Locklear has more African-American ancestry than does Mariah Carey (about 8 percent versus nil). And Geraldo has more subsaharan ancestry than Carey (about 20 percent versus about 12 percent). And yet Locklear sells herself as White, Geraldo sells himself as Hispanic, and Carey sells herself as whatever works (A-A at present, as far as I can tell). Given that celebrities (like everyone) have the right to self-identify as they wish, and to change identity to fit their markets, it can be exceedingly difficult to report a celebrity's "original" ethnicity.
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pennypincha
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| Posted: Tue 20 May 2008 12:54 Post subject: |
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| some sort of direct quote from the celeb should be required, if a poster is going to cite someone's racial makeup. |
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sagascend
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| Posted: Tue 20 May 2008 15:15 Post subject: |
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| pennypincha wrote: | | some sort of direct quote from the celeb should be required, if a poster is going to cite someone's racial makeup. |
That is usually the request if a poster suspects that a celebrity's stated identify preference is not being respected but without genealogical records, austosomal DNA test results or some statement by the celebrity it seems to me that any of these statements are little more than conjecture and the usual eyeballing guessing games that amuse members but don't provide concrete facts.
Do we need to define standards for speaking about a person's ancestry? I'm ambivalent on this issue. |
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Richard Miller
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| Posted: Tue 20 May 2008 19:54 Post subject: |
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| sagascend wrote: |
Do we need to define standards for speaking about a person's ancestry? I'm ambivalent on this issue. |
No. As far as I'm concerned, eyeball until the celebrity makes a statement on his or her ethnicity and/or the celebrity's ethnicity is made public (i.e., skip asking for persmission, and ask for forgiveness, if required). I know that eyeballing is not a good thing, but hurting the "ease of conversation" around here is going to make the place less enjoyable. |
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mulan
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| Posted: Wed 21 May 2008 00:28 Post subject: |
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| Richard Miller wrote: | | sagascend wrote: |
Do we need to define standards for speaking about a person's ancestry? I'm ambivalent on this issue. |
No. As far as I'm concerned, eyeball until the celebrity makes a statement on his or her ethnicity and/or the celebrity's ethnicity is made public (i.e., skip asking for persmission, and ask for forgiveness, if required). I know that eyeballing is not a good thing, but hurting the "ease of conversation" around here is going to make the place less enjoyable. |
Also consider that the poster in 'question' may not, at all, mind dispute of validity.
I've gone through and edited several of my post in that thread after some of what I posted was disputed; and will do the same for any other post.
I get my info from other sites, and articles I've read, like any other person who posts about the ethnic/racial make up/identity of any other notable person.
And in the future, I will stay totally away from quoting fractions or percentages of said racial/ethnic make-up. |
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Richard Miller
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| mulan wrote: |
Also consider that the poster in 'question' may not, at all, mind dispute of validity. |
I think it's safe to say that those who don't mind having to walk on eggshells are in the vastly outweighed minority. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Thu 22 May 2008 14:31 Post subject: Re: Popular People |
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| pennypincha wrote: | | I have observed a certain standard of information on this site, however when you view recent post under popular people all logic flys out the window. The misonformation in that area is overwhelming. |
Misinformation.
Misinformation in what way? Popular People started out as Youth Issues and something else. We divided it into Popular Cultur & Popular People because the topics were too diverse.
Popular People was basically set up to celebrate wide ranges of ethnic mix in famous people. The posts are fluid and we kinda expect a bit misinformation. But we also expect others to correct information or add on. So nothing is set in stone. Many posts of someones ethnic mix comes from quotes of that part. person. Some posts we don't even indicate a persons mix, but as Richard said, Eyeballing is enough in most cases.
What we don't do is reclassify someones identity. If the person identifies as white or black we are not changing that just because we posted a profile. We are not defining multiracial identity bases on famous people.
It's my opinion (as an artist) that visuals aways help broaded information being shared. ie they tell me the original egyptians were white... I can open a Art Through History book and look at the drawings made of Egyptians by egyptians. And that tells me a lot.
We do look for participation in all forums, so please if you have information that can clear up something posted please do so. |
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