The Study of Racialism

William

Francisco Aruca

Max Castro

Alfredo Duran

Elena Freyre

Damian Fernandez

Joe Garcia

Sylvia Iriondo

Lisandro Perez

Carlos Saladrigas

Maurice Ferre (a Puerto Rican, former mayor of Miami)

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

Waht would you say is the darkest European ethnicity(s) out there?

William · Posted: Tue 01 Aug 2006 17:21 Post subject:

fwsweet · Posted: Tue 01 Aug 2006 17:34 Post subject:

William · Posted: Tue 01 Aug 2006 17:53 Post subject:

Those maps seem to give a good indication, although I would personally extend the darker southern Italian shading a bit higher up the peninsula.

Frank, does the Brace and Montague map show a darker island in the Alps of Austria and northern Italy? The resolution isn't great, so I'm not sure what that represents. If so, it would agree with what I've personally seen and what Coon has stated. Also, on Biasutti's map, is Wales and/or Cornwall represented as darker? I can't clearly see it. In my humble opinion, it should be shaded darker than the rest of the British Isles. You're right about the darkness of the Welsh being surprising. The first time I visited there, it surprised me. But, yes, the Mediterranean region is darker.

Do the skin color numbers on Biasutti's map correspond to those used by Coon? I can't read the writing next to the scale. If I'm not mistaken, Coon uses the Laush (?) system (I'm not sure if I got the name right).

fwsweet · Posted: Tue 01 Aug 2006 18:42 Post subject:

William · Posted: Tue 01 Aug 2006 19:00 Post subject:

Yes, Felix Von Luschan! I should have remembered that name, since it is German! Coon does mention in various places in his book that the skin of the upper inner arm was examined.

People, of course, do tan, but Mediterraneans in general tan much darker than central and northern Europeans. I suspect it is a combination of the fact that the sun is stronger in the Mediterranean and the fact that Mediterranean skin contains more melanin, and hence, tans darker and faster. I think the latter is the dominant factor. Is this correct? Some Arabs are very dark in exposed areas, but quite light in unexposed ones.

Ray Romano's skin even in the winter picture still looks Mediterranean. And the female's winter picture shows a skin tone that, although light, is unlike the milky, rosy white of northern Europeans.

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

oevega · Posted: Tue 01 Aug 2006 20:54 Post subject: Tan

Hi,

You can tell the difference in tan between Northern and Southern Europeans by a simple fact Northern Europeans don't tan, they sun burn. The skin become a red crab tone. Southern Europeans, on the other side, get brown with easy. Natives also get tanned with easy.

Now, both Northern and a Southern Europeans could look exactly the same at the beginning of the experiment.

One think that one observe in Southerners that tan quite often is that after a while they don't recover the original light color. In South America for instance, we know that the unexpossed parts of the boddy of people are usually a lot lighter than the facial and hand skin. Particularly in coastal tropical regions where sun exposure is continuous.

So, measuring skin tones seems quite ridiculous to me, because that caracteristic varies with the exposure to the sun, and quite a lot.

Look at the following picture. Could you guess to what "race" these kids belong? Are you sure?

Clue: they are from a country with a lot of sun.

Omar

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

Venezuela

triguy · Superuser Joined: 27 Apr 2005 {Posts: 878 }

oevega

My oppinion on the "whites" Cubans.

Omar

Francisco Aruca (Native American admixture. The last name "sounds" Native as well)

Damian Fernandez (Native American or Black admixture)

All the rest look Southern European "whites".

Omar

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William · Posted: Fri 02 Nov 2007 17:51 Post subject:

Subsequent posts on the Welsh have been split to the molecular forum. Click here to access them.

William

punjabtrini · Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA

The Cubans of Miami tended to be have property and were usually immigrants or sons/daughters of immigrants from Galicia, Catalunya and assorted Basques, hence their phenotype. So it is not an unusual thing in the varied heterogenous background of Cuba to see that occurence!
On the opposite side you have the mulatos of DR to the mestizaje (indio)of Mexico and Central America.

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

güira99 · New User Joined: 04 Oct 2008 {Posts: 17 }

Majority of White Cubans were brought over from Spain by Cuba's first president, Miguel Estrada. ( circa 1903 presidency). Estrada was a racist and wanted to " whitening" the island. This was a common policy in most of Latin America, specially Argentina, where they pretty much succeded.

Many of these people still have connections to Spain, mainly by dead grandparents or greatgrandparents. The government of Spain even grants them Jus Sanguinis citizenship if they can prove they have at least a grandparent from Spain.

The Cubans that look " anglo", blond-hair, colored eyes, are usually the ones of Canarian stock. The Canarias is the whitest part of Spain because almost all of the inhabitants immigrated to the Canaries from the Netherlands, Germany and Ireland in the early 16th century.

These people are " recent addition"( came in 20th century) to Cuba's demographics, and there are Cubans from "centuries back", eg, many Mulattoes, that don't even consider these people to be real Cubans. and there is even resentment that they were supporting the Jim Crow-style segregation of public facilities in Havana and other parts of Cuba up until 1959.