The Study of Racialism

ImBack · Suspended Joined: 28 Jun 2006 {Posts: 630 }

I for one am a little bit sickened by people who claim their upper-caste ancestry but then descriminate against other creoles who may not be able to do so. But generally I have no problem and support creoles claiming upper caste membership, whether that means 50 / 50s claiming mulatto (in places where mulattos have intermediate status), or 80 / 20 s claiming white, And i dont think any of you should either. I think its racist guiltrip garbage to force people to identify with some kind of inbetweeny or low-status group because they dont "deserve" the rights of the upper caste. You guys who think this way have got it all mixed around, just the way black victim thinkers and their liberal sympethizers want you to.

Consider this. A white creole demands to be treated with the rights and privliges of any other white person. The reaction to this is sometimes or often astonishment and rejection: 'No no no, identify with the low-castes so you can "help them" rise out of oppression'.

Now consider this. A white creole demands to be treated with the rights and privliges of any other white person. The reaction, low-castes and intermediates also demand to be treated with the same privleges as white people on the grounds of racial equality for all.

Which one is better? In my opinion if you dont know the answer then you are a very sorry fool, indeed.

Zack
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Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

Why would any variation in phenotype be a caste in the first place?

ImBack · Suspended Joined: 28 Jun 2006 {Posts: 630 }

K dices? Dude, phenotypes divide people into status groups according to a heirarchy of "racial worth". This is true in anglo and latin america. While they may not be castes, per se, in the sense that exogamy is socially unacceptable, I am merely using the term as a melodramatic affect to indicate relative social positioning of the phenotypes.

Zack
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oevega · Posted: Fri 30 Jun 2006 21:23 Post subject: Re: Castes

ImBack · Suspended Joined: 28 Jun 2006 {Posts: 630 }

I think he would be accepted as white in most places of the united states, if they didnt know about his latin ancestry especially. I think he looks close enough to the idea of whiteness, i.e. real light skin, light eyes, non-nappy hair, and thin lips and nose.

Funny quote about the surgeons.

Laters,

Zack
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Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

Phil345 · Wizard Joined: 03 Oct 2005 {Posts: 524 }

ImBack · Suspended Joined: 28 Jun 2006 {Posts: 630 }

Sal, its like that all over latin america, comon. Its a systemic issue, you see it everywhere you go, especially in the societies that claim they dont have it, such as Brazil, Cuba, and Puerto Rico.

Phill, I must disagree with you, white creoles have not allways been given the privliges of white people. In latin america this is true, but the United States they are discriminated against frequently. Read anything by A.D. Powell? She will tell you all about it.

Zack

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sagascend · Moderator-at-Large Joined: 17 Jun 2006 {Posts: 2410 }

There's a famous poem attributed to Martin Niemöller, a German intellectual who didn't oppose the Nazi rise to power until he saw that it threatened him:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

There is no "trickle down" effect for human rights, especially on the basis of race. So your argument that multiracial societies like the US would be improve if it adopted the Latin view of whiteness simply isn't true. Whiteness isn't static in the US - its definition and composition continues to change. Just ask a Sicilian or Greek 70 and up what it was like to be non-white in America.

If something bad is happening to a human being, somewhere, it can happen to you if similar circumstances arise. Your ancestry or social position is no guarantee that you will be spared subjugation when a group takes power and changes the game. If you don't believe me, read up on what happened to the grande blancs in St. Domingue and the French, Spanish and gens du couleur libre in Louisiana.

People with European ancestry are no more entitled to decent treatment and individual respect than people with Native American ancestry. It makes more sense in the long run to work towards a baseline of decent treatment and equal opportunity for everyone in a society rather than not. Societies increase their productivity and stability by expanding rights to and opportunities for their citizens. As such, it certainly makes sense to "identify" with the oppressed, and work to reduce oppression as a person of privilege and as a disadvantaged person (no one is 100% privileged or disadvantaged). You actually reduce the likelihood that you and your descendants will be oppressed in retaliation for past wrongs, IMO.

levefliker · Posted: Sat 08 Jul 2006 05:16 Post subject:

Phil345 · Wizard Joined: 03 Oct 2005 {Posts: 524 }

ImBack · Suspended Joined: 28 Jun 2006 {Posts: 630 }

Absolutely. I was actually surprised that you used the term without questioning me and erroneously assumed that we both understood the same definition.

Zack
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