Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 03:18 Post subject: People denying their blackness...
Hello all,
I am a American "mulatto" that just came back from the Dominican republic. I must say that I am highly disappointed and find the people there to be afflicted with the highest state of "mental slavery". You see, according to the Dominican census the country is 11 percent black 73 percent mulatto and 16 percent white... But, from what I saw there are many more black people there that are claiming to be anything but black... It is pretty sad when people deny who they are just to feel good about themselves. Thus, my question is, why do so many people of African decent in Latin America deny that they are black??
define black. Maybe they just don't buy into the same paradigms as you.
I define black as someone that could easily slide into a west African country like Ghana or Nigeria and not stand out... 60-70 percent of the population in the DR can but, most get highly offended when you call them "black".
I define black as someone that could easily slide into a west African country like Ghana or Nigeria and not stand out... 60-70 percent of the population in the DR can but, most get highly offended when you call them "black".
Has Soserious ever been to Ghana or Nigeria? A Dominican there would stand out like a sore thumb. Their dress, gestures, postures, movement patterns, even their language (Spanish) is different. They would not understand the locals and the locals would not understand them. If Soserious has never been to Ghana or Nigeria, then I wonder what the opinion is based on. If Soserious has visited those countries, then perhaps Soserious means that Dominicans look like Nigerians or Ghaneans in Soserious's own eyes. Dominicans certainly do not resemble Ghaneans nor Nigerians in my eyes.
Or perhaps Soserious is merely talking about how "African" a person looks, versus how "European" he or she looks. If so, then the question comes down to just where to draw the dividing line: how dark the skin, how broad the nose, how kinky the hair. Apparently, Soserious draws this demarcation line in a different place than Dominicans do. If this is the situation, then there is no answer to the "why" question. As Jaime pointed out, it makes more sense to ask why Soserious draws the line differently from the Dominicans than it does to ask why they draw the line differently from Soserious. After all, there are many millions of Latin Americans out there, and only one of Soserious.
Just out of curiosity, may I ask why Soserious does not admit to being Black (having used the term "mulatto" instead)?
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Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 07:11 Post subject: Dominicans?
Hmmmm Soserious, the reason that they refuse to identify the way that would make you feel comfortable, is that they are a Mulatto nation, where most people are Mulattos. The census should be no surprise to you.
Futhermore, your assertion that Dominicans look like west africans is patently rediculous. Ive seen some of them, and they look about like I do.
Lastly, I also wonder why you use the term "mulatto", instead of the propper term mulatto, without the derogatory quotes. Are you sure of yourself? You sound like a mulatto trying to figure out the world's color scheme but from an untenable American perspective. Is this correct?
Try looking at things from their perspective, its really got some serious logic to it at times. Good luck Bro, write back.
No matter what Dominicans look like to non-Dominicans, it is up to them to define themselves. To put it mildly, there is a lot of tension between the Black republic of Haiti and the DR. They also define themselves in contrast to who they do not want to be associated with - Haitians.
Various images of Dominicans I found on the Web. Looks like a Mixed Bag to me... I see all phenotypes represented. And I agree, they should have the right to define themselves. Not outsiders.
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Dominican Senoritas, and its affiliated Websites, is the leading Introduction and Dating Services to Latin Women from the Dominican Republic.
http://www.dominicansenorita.com (I certainly hope this is a legitimate organization and marriages are taking place instead of hookups. I would hate for these women to be sexually exploited. Or for that matter, the American and European men corresponding with them. In a financial way that is.)
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Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 14:04 Post subject: Re: People denying their blackness...
soserious wrote:
Hello all,
I am a American "mulatto" that just came back from the Dominican republic. I must say that I am highly disappointed and find the people there to be afflicted with the highest state of "mental slavery". You see, according to the Dominican census the country is 11 percent black 73 percent mulatto and 16 percent white... But, from what I saw there are many more black people there that are claiming to be anything but black... It is pretty sad when people deny who they are just to feel good about themselves. Thus, my question is, why do so many people of African decent in Latin America deny that they are black??
What did you expect?
Dominican Republic is not in Africa but in the Americas. Dominicans have a Hispanic culture, not African or Black Americans. Dominicans have fought for centuries with a very African people in Haiti, and many times they were defeated, and they don't identify with them.
Talk about Africans in DR and you are talking about Haiti. Black pride in DR? are you kidding? That would sound like treason to the country.
Where do you left the pride of being the place where the first university was build in the Americas? Where do you left the pride of themselves and theirs DR history?
Theirs identity as a people is tri-racial, Black, White and Taino (Amerindian), in that order. They identify with the three identities at once, and not because they have Black ancestry they are going to forget theirs White and Taino ancestors. They are a Creole people, and that's theirs identity. they belong to the Hispanic family of nations as well. You should have asked them first.
You have to pick them as the three groups at once. If you don't do that you will be considered a foreigner that is projecting its wishes upon them.
Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 16:54 Post subject: Re: Dominicans?
TheMulattoKid wrote:
Hmmmm Soserious, the reason that they refuse to identify the way that would make you feel comfortable, is that they are a Mulatto nation, where most people are Mulattos. The census should be no surprise to you.
Futhermore, your assertion that Dominicans look like west africans is patently rediculous. Ive seen some of them, and they look about like I do.
Lastly, I also wonder why you use the term "mulatto", instead of the propper term mulatto, without the derogatory quotes. Are you sure of yourself? You sound like a mulatto trying to figure out the world's color scheme but from an untenable American perspective. Is this correct?
Try looking at things from their perspective, its really got some serious logic to it at times. Good luck Bro, write back.
Zack
Trust me most Dominicans look like the people in the first picture... That is a common West African phenotype... Also, what disgusts me is that some people that look like the people in the first picture refuse to admit that they have any black in them…I had someone tell me that even though he appears to look black his phenotype is indigenous to the DR. He also said his hair was curly like black peoples b/c it is so “hot” at the DR… Lastly, there is no way in hell there are more white people than black people at the DR…. some of the white people there would be considered mixed in America and many many many of the “mulatto” people would be considered black any where else in the world INCLUDING Africa… It is sad that many of them are so brainwashed that if they have one white ancestor 15 generations ago they still consider themselves to be “mulatto” even though they don’t look it…
Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 17:26 Post subject: Re: Dominicans?
soserious wrote:
TheMulattoKid wrote:
Hmmmm Soserious, the reason that they refuse to identify the way that would make you feel comfortable, is that they are a Mulatto nation, where most people are Mulattos. The census should be no surprise to you.
Futhermore, your assertion that Dominicans look like west africans is patently rediculous. Ive seen some of them, and they look about like I do.
Lastly, I also wonder why you use the term "mulatto", instead of the propper term mulatto, without the derogatory quotes. Are you sure of yourself? You sound like a mulatto trying to figure out the world's color scheme but from an untenable American perspective. Is this correct?
Try looking at things from their perspective, its really got some serious logic to it at times. Good luck Bro, write back.
Zack
Trust me most Dominicans look like the people in the first picture... That is a common West African phenotype... Also, what disgusts me is that some people that look like the people in the first picture refuse to admit that they have any black in them…I had someone tell me that even though he appears to look black his phenotype is indigenous to the DR. He also said his hair was curly like black peoples b/c it is so “hot” at the DR… Lastly, there is no way in hell there are more white people than black people at the DR…. some of the white people there would be considered mixed in America and many many many of the “mulatto” people would be considered black any where else in the world INCLUDING Africa… It is sad that many of them are so brainwashed that if they have one white ancestor 15 generations ago they still consider themselves to be “mulatto” even though they don’t look it…
PS… I have visited Nigeria!!
MULATTO yah right darkie wanna be mixedrace.look like planet of the apes.
Trust me most Dominicans look like the people in the first picture... That is a common West African phenotype...
Have you traveled all over the island? If not, then it is more accurate to say that many Dominicans look like the people in the first picture or most of the ones you've encountered. In my high school in New York and in Washington Heights, which is heavily Dominican, most Dominicans I came across did not look like the ones in the first picture. Naturally, it wouldn't make sense to conclude that most Dominicans look like the ones I encountered.
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Also, what disgusts me is that some people that look like the people in the first picture refuse to admit that they have any black in them…I had someone tell me that even though he appears to look black his phenotype is indigenous to the DR. He also said his hair was curly like black peoples b/c it is so “hot” at the DR…
True many Dominicans do deny that they have African ancestry even when it is obvious, but based on your previous posts, your issue is with Dominicans not seeing themselves as black, regardless of appearance and not the denial of African ancestry on the part of some Dominicans.
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Lastly, there is no way in hell there are more white people than black people at the DR…. some of the white people there would be considered mixed in America and many many many of the “mulatto” people would be considered black any where else in the world INCLUDING Africa…
For the record, U.S. conceptions of race are not universal as is apparent from your issues with how Dominicans see themselves. Also, were you fortunate to meet most Dominicans on the Island? If not, how would you know who identifies as white or is considered white on the Island?
Also, your statement that "many many many of the 'mulatto' people would be considered black any where else in the world INCLUDING Africa…"is clearly untrue. "Anywhere else in the world" includes countries of the Western Hemisphere that do not embrace your conception of blackness. Some of the countries where "many many many of the 'mulatto' people would be considered black" include countries that have similar ways of looking at race as the Dominican Republic: Brazil, Venezuela, Haiti, Colombia, Puerto Rico, Aruba, etc.
Additionally, even African countries would not see "many many many of the 'mulatto' people" in the Dominican Republic as black. Just some are South Africa, Angola, Mozambique, Cape Verde, the Seychelles, Reunion, Mauritius, and Nigeria.
Perhaps you meant European countries and North America?
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It is sad that many of them are so brainwashed that if they have one white ancestor 15 generations ago they still consider themselves to be “mulatto” even though they don’t look it…
Eye balling is a poor way of determining how far back one has white ancestors. In any case, if Dominicans as a people are brainwashed because they do not accept your U.S.-based conception of blackness (I notice you don't make a distinction between people who deny they have any African ancestry, people who are black, and people who acknowledge their African ancestry along with their other ancestries), then most of the world must be brainwashed as well, especially most countries in the Western Hemisphere.
Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 17:50 Post subject: Re: Dominicans?
mymulatto wrote:
soserious wrote:
TheMulattoKid wrote:
Hmmmm Soserious, the reason that they refuse to identify the way that would make you feel comfortable, is that they are a Mulatto nation, where most people are Mulattos. The census should be no surprise to you.
Futhermore, your assertion that Dominicans look like west africans is patently rediculous. Ive seen some of them, and they look about like I do.
Lastly, I also wonder why you use the term "mulatto", instead of the propper term mulatto, without the derogatory quotes. Are you sure of yourself? You sound like a mulatto trying to figure out the world's color scheme but from an untenable American perspective. Is this correct?
Try looking at things from their perspective, its really got some serious logic to it at times. Good luck Bro, write back.
Zack
Trust me most Dominicans look like the people in the first picture... That is a common West African phenotype... Also, what disgusts me is that some people that look like the people in the first picture refuse to admit that they have any black in them…I had someone tell me that even though he appears to look black his phenotype is indigenous to the DR. He also said his hair was curly like black peoples b/c it is so “hot” at the DR… Lastly, there is no way in hell there are more white people than black people at the DR…. some of the white people there would be considered mixed in America and many many many of the “mulatto” people would be considered black any where else in the world INCLUDING Africa… It is sad that many of them are so brainwashed that if they have one white ancestor 15 generations ago they still consider themselves to be “mulatto” even though they don’t look it…
PS… I have visited Nigeria!!
MULATTO yah right darkie wanna be mixedrace.look like planet of the apes.
no need to be mean(remember that you are part black thus, all your jokes apply to you and me also)It is kinda of funny when someone that is black flat out deny's it... I mean I am only like 40 percent black and could pass for many other races but, I would never deny my African ancestry since I am very proud of it...
Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 18:02 Post subject: Re: hello
mymulatto wrote:
iam black white native american
I am confused. I do not grasp the significance of the chimps. Chimps have lots of body hair (like Europeans), straight silky hair (like Europeans), and thin lips, except when they evert them (like Europeans). Was the photo intended to mock people who cannot accept that they are predominantly European?
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Posted: Thu 13 Jul 2006 18:05 Post subject: Re: hello
fwsweet wrote:
mymulatto wrote:
iam black white native american
I am confused. I do not grasp the significance of the chimps. Chimps have lots of body hair (like Europeans), straight non-curly hair (like Europeans), and thin lips, except when they evert them (like Europeans). Was the photo intended to mock people who cannot accept that they are predominantly European?
LOL I did feel insulted on behalf of my European ancestors.
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MULATTO yah right darkie wanna be mixedrace.look like planet of the apes. 
