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Posted: Wed 02 Aug 2006 06:47 Post subject: Madison Grant
I don't know how many of you have ever heard of Madison Grant but he is responsible for producing one of the most notorious works of scientific racism. A book titled "The passing of the Great race" which argued Nordic superiority which was responsible for influencing the Nazis and Hitler. As a matter of fact Hitler even wrote to Grant saying "This book is my bible". The book was also responsible for influencing the 1924 immigration act which severly limited the number of Southern and Eastern Europeans to the U.S. See the link below for more info.
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Posted: Wed 02 Aug 2006 07:41 Post subject:
Here's a Website where you can read parts of the book "The passing of the Great Race". Very interesting, just try to ignore the fact that the website is a White Supremist Website.
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Posted: Wed 02 Aug 2006 17:28 Post subject:
Fledgist wrote:
What benefit do we obtain from reading this?
I suppose none, you obtain no more or no less benefit from reading this than you do any of the other thousands of post on this website. I posted it as a reference and nothing more. I do not agree with Grant's ideology in any way, shape, or form. And that White power website was the only place I could find any detailed info about the book. If it bothers you then delete it, I don't really care.
Joined: 10 Mar 2006 {Posts: 235 } Location: Atlanta
Posted: Thu 03 Aug 2006 00:17 Post subject:
Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
Fledgist wrote:
What benefit do we obtain from reading this?
I suppose none, you obtain no more or no less benefit from reading this than you do any of the other thousands of post on this website. I posted it as a reference and nothing more. I do not agree with Grant's ideology in any way, shape, or form. And that White power website was the only place I could find any detailed info about the book. If it bothers you then delete it, I don't really care.
I just want to know what good you think it will do the readers of this site. That's a simple enough question. You seem to be dodging it.
I just want to know what good you think it will do the readers of this site. That's a simple enough question. You seem to be dodging it.
I found it informative. Grant and Houston Stewart Chamberlain were two of the most influential advocates of the "race" notion at the turn of the 20th century. They were largely responsible for the direction taken by progressivism into eugenics, for the bizarre Nazi idealogy, and ultimately for the Johnson-Reed act of 1924 that ended immigration.
I just want to know what good you think it will do the readers of this site. That's a simple enough question. You seem to be dodging it.
I found it informative. Grant and Houston Stewart Chamberlain were two of the most influential advocates of the "race" notion at the turn of the 20th century. They were largely responsible for the direction taken by progressivism into eugenics, for the bizarre Nazi idealogy, and ultimately for the Johnson-Reed act of 1924 that ended immigration.
American Renaissance also have several articles regarding Madison Grant and the immigration restrictionist movement. They use him to justify their opposition to intermarriage, integration, immigration, and equal rights to all.
i don't see any benefit in knowing exactly who started this nonsense ideology that most if not all of us were already aware existed. i am not against someone starting up a thread like this, so don't get me wrong, i realize people have the right to post what they deem pertinent however i don't personally see any enlightenment coming from this information.
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Posted: Sat 05 Aug 2006 19:41 Post subject: Knowing the enemy
mul2std wrote:
...i don't see any benefit in knowing exactly who started this nonsense ideology that most if not all of us were already aware existed. i am not against someone starting up a thread like this, so don't get me wrong, i realize people have the right to post what they deem pertinent however i don't personally see any enlightenment coming from this information.
I do see the benefit: knowing the enemy.
Aryanism is not the only racist ideology that exists, but it has been the one that has produced more victims. 60 million people died during the WW II as the direct result of the Nazi ideology, which was deeply rooted in Nordic mythology, manipulation of history, social darwinism and nationalism.
Actually, people don't realize that the history of the West is plenty of examples between the fight of two completely different ideologies: the humanistic tradition, and the fascist/racist ideology. One can see both of them acting together even in Greece, where Spartans represented the brutality, violence and eugenesic ideal, and Athens represents freedom, arts but also hypocresy.
Now, learning about the aryanist ideologies, will help us to identify the same patterns in other potentially dangerous ideologies that are growing in people of other phenotypes.
The fight for freedom, justice and equality is not over in the world. And our ignorance of those ideologies does not help us to stop them in time.
Posted: Wed 09 Aug 2006 02:37 Post subject: Madison Grant -- the roots of white racism
Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
I don't know how many of you have ever heard of Madison Grant but he is responsible for producing one of the most notorious works of scientific racism. A book titled "The passing of the Great race" which argued Nordic superiority which was responsible for influencing the Nazis and Hitler. As a matter of fact Hitler even wrote to Grant saying "This book is my bible". The book was also responsible for influencing the 1924 immigration act which severly limited the number of Southern and Eastern Europeans to the U.S. See the link below for more info.
Here's a Website where you can read parts of the book "The passing of the Great Race". Very interesting, just try to ignore the fact that the website is a White Supremist Website.
I just want to know what good you think it will do the readers of this site. That's a simple enough question. You seem to be dodging it.
I found it informative. Grant and Houston Stewart Chamberlain were two of the most influential advocates of the "race" notion at the turn of the 20th century. They were largely responsible for the direction taken by progressivism into eugenics, for the bizarre Nazi idealogy, and ultimately for the Johnson-Reed act of 1924 that ended immigration.
mul2std wrote:
i don't see any benefit in knowing exactly who started this nonsense ideology that most if not all of us were already aware existed. ... i don't personally see any enlightenment coming from this information.
srb71 wrote:
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What are your thoughts?
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The American Renaissance is what I have in mind. They're infiltrating mainstream conservativism with their racialistic views on everything.
Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
I'm glad to see some people here do find the info I posted interesting or beneficial in some way.
I went to American Renaissance's Web site; I did not find anything about Madison Grant posted there. Would srb71 like to elaborate on Grant's (1916) connection to "infiltrating" today's mainstream conservatism?
I agree with Omar's observation about the benefit of "knowing the enemy."
More than that, some of us who post here regard the alleged "different races" social construct to be the actual and proximate cause of racial inequality and related wrongs (e.g., racism). We reason that going after the source, and deconstructing the so-called "races" is the best solution.
However, deconstructing "the races," we discover, runs afoul of several strong vested interests battling to keep our government classifying individuals, involuntarily, in "different races." The campaign of education needed to overcome these obstacles involves our "knowing the enemy" as Omar said. I include Madison Grant on a short list of influential "race theorists" who whipped up fear of "race mixing" in circa 1900 America, to the point that a decades-long Jim Crow rain of murderous terror followed!
The intransigence of "races"-belief today (& its politics, regardless of the justifying rhetoric) rests on the same base from which Jim Crow terror arose. In order to comprehend the fearful Jim Crow racism, its turning the seemingly innocent idea of taxonomically micro-classifying our human race in colorful subspecies, or "races," into a first-order horror story of real-life science fiction, here is my short required-reading list:
Nott, Josiah Clark (1804-1873)
Book: TYPES OF MANKIND, or Of Races (London: Trujbner, & Lippincott, 1855)
http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=AJA7398
Jisiah C. Nott, M.D., a prominent Mobile, Alabama physician, and a major slavery apologist, published his theories (pre-Darwin) claiming that African Negroes differed from "white" Ango Saxons as "proximate species." Nott characterized Mulattos as abominable hybrids prone to early death, and doomed to extinction after only four or five generations if they continued crossing with "whites." The only lasting future for "black blood," argued Nott, was recombination with Negroes. Nott's ideas outlived him, and they outlived the slavery cause they were written for. Not surprisingly, generations of "white" people reading Nott became terrified of the threatened "extinction" he said would come with remote "drops of black blood." The terrible choice was that, or else the living death of damnation to Negro blackness, forever! I suspect that too many "colored" people read and believed Nott -- took to heart his slanders about themselves, too. I wrote about Dr. Nott further (click here).
Gobineau, Joseph Arthur, Comte de (1816-1882)
French essayist on the Inequality of Human Races (1853-55), de Gobineau's influential theories asserted the superiority of the white race over others and labeled the "Aryans" (i.e., Germanic peoples), as representing the summit of civilization. He advanced the theory that the fate of civilizations is determined by racial composition, that white and in particular Aryan societies flourish as long as they remain free of black and yellow strains, and that the more a civilization's racial character is diluted through miscegenation, the more likely it is to lose its vitality and creativity and sink into corruption and immorality.
http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article-9037141
Grant, Madison (1865-1937)
Book: The Passing Of The Great Race (New York: Scribner's, 1916)
http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/pgr/pgr-toc.html
Grant was very influential. He elaborated on the theory that past Ice Age conditions had bred racial superiority in Nordic "white" northern Europeans by the combination of isolation and rigorous survival challenges. More importantly, Grant believed (as others did) that the evolved "white" advantages (esp. I.Q.) would be lost in "races mixing." (BUT NOTE: True Darwin teaches that genetic evolutionary advantages are never lost for the simple reason they are advantages. The notion of inbred traits being "lost" to "mongrelization" is entirely an artificial selection animal breeding principle -- measurable as lost sale price value of domesticated animals. If we humans are wild creatures then these "domestication" principles have no bearing on our human racial evolution, either past or future.)
Plecker, Walter Ashby (1861-1947)
Influential bureaucrat, eugenics planner, who wrote the model 1924 Virginia Racial Intregity Act. Plecker targeted racially "mixed" people. His avowed purpose was to drive Melungeons and other white multiracials into "colored" blackness in the sense of Josiah Nott's terrible choice. Nott's "documentary genocide" was eyed closely by Nazi officers of Hitler's Third Reich Germany. So was Madison Grant's book. Plecker's writings showed he embraced the notions put out by Madison Grant. Plecker helped to make racial segregation operational, reasoning that history shows "races" in close contact always blend into one another. Preventing this was what Jim Crow and its crown jewelry of anti-miscegenation legislation was all about.
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/09/the_black_white.php
Bilbo, Theodore Gilmore (1877-1947)
Book: TAKE YOUR CHOICE Separation or Mongrelization (Poplarville, Miss.: Dreamhouse Pub. Co., 1947).
http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/tyc/tyc_toc.html
A former state governor, Senator Bilbo tried to ship all U.S. Negroes to Africa on WWII troop ships. Fear of "race mixing" drove Bilbo too. With passionate despair, Bilbo observed that racial segregation still was not stopping racial fusion. The shouting title of his book conveys Bilbo's warning to white America.
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you obtain no more or no less benefit from reading this than you do any of the other thousands of post on this website. I posted it as a reference and nothing more. I do not agree with Grant's ideology in any way, shape, or form. And that White power website was the only place I could find any detailed info about the book. If it bothers you then delete it, I don't really care. 