The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' The Afro-Latina experience Goto page Previous  1, 2          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Latin America Author Message inetryconydot Probationary Joined: 05 Mar 2010 {Posts: 0 } Location: Canada Posted: Fri 21 Jul 2006 02:09    Post subject: Re: girl oevega wrote: soserious wrote: This girl has negroid features, I believe. She is 3-racial, perhaps. Omar her nose looks just like the indian guys hahaha Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Fri 21 Jul 2006 02:32    Post subject: Natives I select some Indian women of the purest stock (not mestizo or Sambo) I could find. And see if you can get the common pattern. After you find it we talk Mapuche Woman Quechua Aymara Guarani Yonomami Maya I hope you have already seen the common pattern. Omar Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 15:46    Post subject: Re: girl oevega wrote: soserious wrote: This girl has negroid features, I believe. She is 3-racial, perhaps. Omar You remember this post? Quote: Now, there are some people in Argentina and Chile that have certain negroid features. That's true. But nobody is certain if those came from Africa, Arabia or Italy. People knows, but nobody mention it. It would be very offensive to say to an average Argentinean: "hey, your nose look negroid. Do you have a Black Ancestor?". Your assumption is on the negroid aspect. I have seen plenty of Eurasian and mestizas with her look. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 15:52    Post subject: Re: People of Latin America oevega wrote: Phenotypes in Latin America: Indian European Black mestizo mulato Don't get confused Again, you seem to be confused in the assumption that mixed people are always easy to tell. Jessica Alba, Alicia Keys, etc many have ambiguous looks. Many would think this woman Afroindigenous, but she is just a typical Huichol woman from mexico. You should know better than quoting a racist site like racial reality without listing the source. Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 15:56    Post subject: Re: girl Salsassin wrote: You remember this post? Quote: Now, there are some people in Argentina and Chile that have certain negroid features. That's true. But nobody is certain if those came from Africa, Arabia or Italy. People knows, but nobody mention it. It would be very offensive to say to an average Argentinean: "hey, your nose look negroid. Do you have a Black Ancestor?". Your assumption is on the negroid aspect. I have seen plenty of Eurasian and mestizas with her look. Absolutely. I agree with you Jaime. Of course I can be wrong with the girl above. In fact, there are lots of pure Native Americans, and Asians as well, that have negroid features. One can see them in the Amazons and also between the Mayans of Guatemala. Yes, Natives have Asian, European and African facial features since the beginning of times, as can be seen in any pre-contact museum. Actually, most of the controversy of the Olmec heads is because of that. People don't usually know it. There were wide noses and lips in Native Americans original populations, people that looked Asian and also people that looked European. In skin color, all have the typical cooper color, but some have a very dark tan and others were very light. So, it is quite easy to get confussed this days when more people have arrived to the Americas. Omar Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 16:01    Post subject: Re: People of Latin America Salsassin wrote: ...Again, you seem to be confused in the assumption that mixed people are always easy to tell. Jessica Alba, Alicia Keys, etc many have ambiguous looks. No doubt about it, dear Jaime. Quote: Many would think this woman Afroindigenous, but she is just a typical Huichol woman from mexico. I don't doubt she is indigenous at all. I know Mexican native have dark red skin and have "non-western" facial features, unlike the Natives of the Andes, for example. Quote: You should know better than quoting a racist site like racial reality without listing the source. Well, "racial reality" has some good pictures as well, and they are in the web to grab. so? Omar Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 16:11    Post subject: To some degree, but you obviously selected people with more similar features. i could just as easily produce pictures of people in various tribes that are very different looking. Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 16:16    Post subject: Good idea Salsassin wrote: To some degree, but you obviously selected people with more similar features. i could just as easily produce pictures of people in various tribes that are very different looking. Good idea, Jaime. Just do it. Please show us how different look an Inuit, a Great Plains Indian, a Maya, an Amazonian, a Quechua, a Guarani or a Mapuche. It would be great, so other people know what we are talking about. Omar Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 16:45    Post subject: Re: Good idea Pericu Huichol Huichol Inuit Xingu Mapuche Yagan. Kaukenaukot Umatilla Telhueches Did you know that at one point in time between the Telhueches and the plains tribes the tallest people in the world were native? Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 18:07    Post subject: Re: Good idea Salsassin wrote: ...Did you know that at one point in time between the Telhueches and the plains tribes the tallest people in the world were native? I know that the "Patagons" were considerated the tallest people in the planet. However, it is not clear for me which tribe were the patagons. I don't know if they were the tehuelches, the yagans, kaweskar, onas or alacalufes. The Tehuelches are related with the Mapuches of Argentina, and the Mapuche people was not tall. Omar Back to top sagascend Moderator-at-Large Joined: 17 Jun 2006 {Posts: 2392 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 18:11    Post subject: Salsassin wrote: Did you know that at one point in time between the Telhueches and the plains tribes the tallest people in the world were native? How tall were/are they on average? Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 18:18    Post subject: Patagons Hi, Some austral natives were tall by 19th century standards. However, there are lots of exagerations, and a legend about giants. Omar Quote: Patagon From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Patagones or Patagonian giants are a mythical race of people, who first began to appear in early European accounts of the then little-known region and coastline of Patagonia. They were supposed to have exceeded at least double normal human height, some accounts giving heights of 12 to 15 feet or more. Tales of these improbable people would take a hold over European concepts of the region for some 250 years, until they were substantially debunked at the end of the 18th century. However, South American legends speak of several giant tribal races, such as the Chancas or Chanak of Peru, which are said to be 7 feet tall on average, and have red hair. First mention of these people came from the voyage of Ferdinand Magellan and his crew, who claimed to have seen them while exploring the coastline of South America en route to their circumnavigation of the world in the 1520s. Antonio Pigafetta, one of the expedition's few survivors and the chronicler of Magellan's expedition, wrote in his account about their encounter with natives twice a normal person's height: "One day we suddenly saw a naked man of giant stature on the shore of the port, dancing, singing, and throwing dust on his head. The captain-general [i.e., Magellan] sent one of our men to the giant so that he might perform the same actions as a sign of peace. Having done that, the man led the giant to an islet where the captain-general was waiting. When the giant was in the captain-general’s and our presence he marveled greatly, and made signs with one finger raised upward, believing that we had come from the sky. He was so tall that we reached only to his waist, and he was well proportioned..." Pigafetta also recorded that Magellan had bestowed the name "Patagão" (or Patagoni) on these people, but did not further elaborate on his reasons for doing so. Since Pigafetta's time the assumption that this derived from pata or foot took hold, and "Patagonia" was interpreted to mean "Land of the Bigfeet". However, this etymology remains questionable, since amongst other things the meaning of the suffix -gon is unclear. Nevertheless, the name "Patagonia" stuck, as did the notion that the local inhabitants were giants. Early maps of the New World afterwards would sometimes attach the label regio gigantum ("region of giants") to the area. 1840s illustration of Patagon encampment; from account by French explorer Jules Dumont d'UrvilleIn 1579, Sir Francis Drake's ship chaplain, Francis Fletcher, wrote about meeting very tall Patagonians. In the 1590s, Anthonie Knivet claimed he had seen dead bodies 12 feet long in Patagonia. In 1766, a rumour leaked out upon their return to England that the crew of HMS Dolphin, captained by Commodore John Byron, had seen a tribe of nine-foot tall natives in Patagonia when they passed by there on their circumnavigation of the globe. However, when a newly-edited revised account of the voyage came out in 1773, the Patagonians were recorded as being merely 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m); tall perhaps, but by no means giants. The people encountered by Byron were in all likelihood the Tehuelches, indigenous to the region. Later writers consider the Patagonian giants to have been be a hoax, or at least an exaggeration and mis-telling of earlier European accounts of the region. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 19:14    Post subject: sagascend wrote: Salsassin wrote: Did you know that at one point in time between the Telhueches and the plains tribes the tallest people in the world were native? How tall were/are they on average? Well in the 1800's the average was 5'8 in the great plains. The Tehuelches were 5'10. But the rest of the world was under 5'6. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Mon 31 Jul 2006 19:17    Post subject: Atahualpa, the last of the Incas was supposed to have been pretty tall. Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Wed 30 Aug 2006 14:23    Post subject: An Olmec face. Back to top oevega SuperMentor Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile Posted: Wed 30 Aug 2006 14:25    Post subject: Olmec face Hey Jaime. That picture is mine Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Latin America All times are GMT Goto page Previous  1, 2 Page 2 of 2 Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group