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Marcus_Aurelius
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PostPosted: Wed 30 Aug 2006 17:39    Post subject: Rapper Ice-T Reply with quote

He's clearly a Mulatto, but I'm sure if you asked him or almost any other black person they would tell you he's Black. As a matter of fact, to me he looks a little paler than the average Mulatto. It's only in America that he would be considered black.


http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH-E/253802.jpg


http://www.tvod.com/2000-08/mrice-t.JPG



http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/images/20031125/lawsvu-bio-IceT/SVU_IceT_235.jpg



http://www.riveting.com/images/icet.jpg


http://www.everyschool.org/u/scu/keffe/ice-t2.jpg


http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/law_and_order__special_victims_unit_cast_photos/_group_photos/ice_t7.jpg
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2006 07:34    Post subject: Re: Rapper Ice-T Reply with quote

Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
....but I'm sure if you asked him or almost any other american person they would tell you he's Black.





.....anyway in ice T's biography he mentions that his father was creole, and his mother was black.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2006 11:47    Post subject: Re: Rapper Ice-T Reply with quote

Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
He's clearly a Mulatto, but I'm sure if you asked him or almost any other black person they would tell you he's Black. As a matter of fact, to me he looks a little paler than the average Mulatto. It's only in America that he would be considered black.


http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH-E/253802.jpg


http://www.tvod.com/2000-08/mrice-t.JPG



http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/images/20031125/lawsvu-bio-IceT/SVU_IceT_235.jpg



http://www.riveting.com/images/icet.jpg


http://www.everyschool.org/u/scu/keffe/ice-t2.jpg


http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/law_and_order__special_victims_unit_cast_photos/_group_photos/ice_t7.jpg


Is it reasonable to call someone a racial term that they may not avow? I doubt it. It would be more interesting to read about how Ice-T sees himself.

There are plenty of mulattos darker than Ice-T, plenty of Black people just as light or lighter. These terms really don't describe much with accuracy.
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PostPosted: Thu 31 Aug 2006 18:11    Post subject: Re: Rapper Ice-T Reply with quote

Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
He's clearly a Mulatto, but I'm sure if you asked him or almost any other black person they would tell you he's Black. As a matter of fact, to me he looks a little paler than the average Mulatto. It's only in America that he would be considered black.

I don't think he is forced to be black at all. I think Ice T's social connection is Black, partially from more of a 'political' standpoint.

He's an American I think that is the only place it matters. If he was in South Africa he'd be a coloured. It all depends. I don't particularly think it's a good thing to consider what other countries see you as, seeing that most countries are influenced by America.

I saw a documentary abour bodybuilding in the middle east and they asked them(the men) what do you think of American women. They responded: They are sporty(athletic) have blue eyes and are blond... Should we take that into consideration? Maybe all the dark eyed dark haired overweight American need to get with the program...

In some countries women are seen as less than 2nd class citizens, do we take that into account...



http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/MMPH-E/253802.jpg


http://www.tvod.com/2000-08/mrice-t.JPG



http://www.ctv.ca/archives/CTVShows/images/20031125/lawsvu-bio-IceT/SVU_IceT_235.jpg



http://www.riveting.com/images/icet.jpg


http://www.everyschool.org/u/scu/keffe/ice-t2.jpg


http://us.ent4.yimg.com/tv.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/tv_pix/nbc/law_and_order__special_victims_unit_cast_photos/_group_photos/ice_t7.jpg
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PostPosted: Sat 02 Sep 2006 19:51    Post subject: Re: Rapper Ice-T Reply with quote

Phil345 wrote:
Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
....but I'm sure if you asked him or almost any other american person they would tell you he's Black.





.....anyway in ice T's biography he mentions that his father was creole, and his mother was black.


that's what i heard as well, that one of his parents is creole and one black. in that case he should be able to identify as creole (MGM) or black. if he chooses black then so be it. i don't see the big deal.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Sep 2006 03:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am well aware that Ice-T is most definetly black identified and such is his right, I wasn't implying that it is wrong for him to identify as such. I was only pointing out that he is clearly mixed race and that nearly everywhere else in the world he would not be considered black. I'm sure you will see many people who look similar to him in countries like Cuba, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cape Verde, and a few other South American countries. And all these places he would more than likely never be considered black.
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Sep 2006 22:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
I am well aware that Ice-T is most definetly black identified and such is his right, I wasn't implying that it is wrong for him to identify as such. I was only pointing out that he is clearly mixed race and that nearly everywhere else in the world he would not be considered black. I'm sure you will see many people who look similar to him in countries like Cuba, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cape Verde, and a few other South American countries. And all these places he would more than likely never be considered black.


Some time ago, Ice-T criticized Bryan Gumbel as not being authentically black. I found that to be incredibly grotesque. Both Ice-T and Gumbel have mixed-race features, wealth, and blond-haired, white spouses. Ice-T criticized Gumbel's speach as not black. Silly Bryant Gumbel for growing up and learning a different accent from Ice-T. I wonder if Ice-T would think Gumbel were more authentically "black" if Gumbel had sold drugs as Ice-T once did.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/powers/uploaded_images/bryantw-721281.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/blog/powers/2006/02/bryant-gumbel-white-courtesy-phone.html&h=320&w=204&sz=19&hl=en&start=26&tbnid=NeKJhIo54rHX7M:&tbnh=118&tbnw=75&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbryant%2Bgumbel%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
http://www.showbizireland.com/news/july04/21-icet01.shtml

I think in the U.K. Ice-T would not be recognized as white. Similarly, in France or Germany the same would be true. Some variants of the ODR, visible blackness increased perception of someone not being white.

Christina Milan and her fellow actor Rick Gonzalez experienced much reported racist taunts directed at their blackness. Gonzalez has a complexion similar to Ice-T's but has an afro:

http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur27890.cfm
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2678/Events/2678/RickGonzal_Grani_4188104_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Gonzalez,%20Rick%20(I)
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PostPosted: Mon 04 Sep 2006 15:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

triguy wrote:
Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
I am well aware that Ice-T is most definetly black identified and such is his right, I wasn't implying that it is wrong for him to identify as such. I was only pointing out that he is clearly mixed race and that nearly everywhere else in the world he would not be considered black. I'm sure you will see many people who look similar to him in countries like Cuba, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cape Verde, and a few other South American countries. And all these places he would more than likely never be considered black.


Some time ago, Ice-T criticized Bryan Gumbel as not being authentically black. I found that to be incredibly grotesque. Both Ice-T and Gumbel have mixed-race features, wealth, and blond-haired, white spouses. Ice-T criticized Gumbel's speach as not black. Silly Bryant Gumbel for growing up and learning a different accent from Ice-T. I wonder if Ice-T would think Gumbel were more authentically "black" if Gumbel had sold drugs as Ice-T once did.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mensnewsdaily.com/blog/powers/uploaded_images/bryantw-721281.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/blog/powers/2006/02/bryant-gumbel-white-courtesy-phone.html&h=320&w=204&sz=19&hl=en&start=26&tbnid=NeKJhIo54rHX7M:&tbnh=118&tbnw=75&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbryant%2Bgumbel%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
http://www.showbizireland.com/news/july04/21-icet01.shtml

I think in the U.K. Ice-T would not be recognized as white. Similarly, in France or Germany the same would be true. Some variants of the ODR, visible blackness increased perception of someone not being white.

Christina Milan and her fellow actor Rick Gonzalez experienced much reported racist taunts directed at their blackness. Gonzalez has a complexion similar to Ice-T's but has an afro:

http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur27890.cfm
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2678/Events/2678/RickGonzal_Grani_4188104_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Gonzalez,%20Rick%20(I)


hey, no one accused ice t as being intelligent. LOL i mean have you ever seen that pimp documentary he took part in? it is authentic, real pimps, real hos, a real "players ball", etc etc and who is right in the middle of the action? ice t. he said he had to represent because he, too, used to be a pimp and now he is a big time hollywood star so he was basically coming back to the hood to let his life be an example. HA! i think he's a halfway believable actor but i also think he's a joke when you wanna talk "role models". for him to criticize bryant gumble for not being black enough, he's just another one of those fools who equates ghetto w/ black, which is not only unfair but is inaccurate. i am not a gumble fan but if either one of those guys needs to be looked at as an example of "doing well" it is most definitely bryant in my book.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Sep 2006 14:57    Post subject: Reply with quote





If I'm not mistaken, the girl on these covers is his ex-wife
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Sep 2006 16:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's his fist wife, the lovely Darlene. I believe she's Mexican American. She was with him back in the day when he had nothing.

His current wife is named Coco and she's white and blonde. Not as attractive as the first in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep 2006 01:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-Man wrote:
That's his fist wife, the lovely Darlene. I believe she's Mexican American. She was with him back in the day when he had nothing.

His current wife is named Coco and she's white and blonde. Not as attractive as the first in my opinion.


word. his current wife looks like pure trash.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep 2006 01:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

mul2std wrote:
G-Man wrote:
That's his fist wife, the lovely Darlene. I believe she's Mexican American. She was with him back in the day when he had nothing.

His current wife is named Coco and she's white and blonde. Not as attractive as the first in my opinion.


word. his current wife looks like pure trash.


What a classy broad...NOT. Unfortunately I do not think they were dressing for Halloween.

He definitely downgraded IMO.

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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep 2006 13:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust me....Not too long from now you'll see her in some porno movie directed by Ice-T.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 Sep 2006 14:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trust me....Not too long from now you'll see her in some porno movie directed by Ice-T.


Unless that is where he got her

She has very strong jaws, manly almost
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PostPosted: Fri 08 Sep 2006 00:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

G-Man wrote:
Trust me....Not too long from now you'll see her in some porno movie directed by Ice-T.


she's an adult actress so that's not a stretch at all.
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^^^^LOL at his Bryant Gumbell comments. Ice T once did an interview to do with the rise of political hip-hop in the 1980s and he said, "everyone criticises Ice T and says 'look Ice T has a white woman'".

I thought he was speaking out on the fact that it was hypocritical for people to criticise him as he is part white himself but it seems I was wrong. I never knew he viewed himself as black.

Even my boyfriend (who is white) is quite often bemused about some of the stars who label themselves as black in America (he even felt this way about Beyonce), Though he understands it totally. As do I, I think it has become a case that black has been denied so long that even many biracial or mixed stars have come to the point when they want to stop this injustice and this has resulted in them embracing their blackness (though often comprising their non-black heritage). They are sometimes often viewed as black in society.

Though some mixed people can be pushed into viewing themselves as black I do find it admirable that though they can be viewed as mixed they often choose not to because they want to breakdown barriers or stereotype of what is being black. I guess this is often my stance too.

I doubt Ice T is doing it for these reasons though and I hate is stereotypical view on what being a black man is all about.
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Oct 2006 19:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truffling wrote:


As do I, I think it has become a case that black has been denied so long that even many biracial or mixed stars have come to the point when they want to stop this injustice and this has resulted in them embracing their blackness (though often comprising their non-black heritage). They are sometimes often viewed as black in society.

Though some mixed people can be pushed into viewing themselves as black I do find it admirable that though they can be viewed as mixed they often choose not to because they want to breakdown barriers or stereotype of what is being black. I guess this is often my stance too.

I doubt Ice T is doing it for these reasons though and I hate is stereotypical view on what being a black man is all about.



I think many multi-racial people go down this road of assuming that people who they view as "obviously mixed race" have to have some kind of agenda in calling themselves "black". As if these persons really think that they are multi-racial, but make the concious decision to identify as black publically for some politically motivated reason.

For most people, theres no "choice" in the matter, and no ulterior motive; "black" is just all that they know. Ice T probably (if hes like most "light" afro-americans) has always thought of himself as a "full" black person, and isnt being disingenuous.

The most Ice-T has alluded to is that his father was "creole", which was probably just pointing out a cultural distinction rather than a racial one, and he wasnt implying that he was of mixed race by pointing that out.
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PostPosted: Sun 22 Oct 2006 22:06    Post subject: Re: Rapper Ice-T Reply with quote

Marcus_Aurelius wrote:
He's clearly a Mulatto, but I'm sure if you asked him or almost any other black person they would tell you he's Black. As a matter of fact, to me he looks a little paler than the average Mulatto. It's only in America that he would be considered black.


Not necessarily. It has to do also with what etnicity you are raised. While in the USA there is far more one droppism. Racial terms are used interchangeably to decribe physical appearance as well as ethnic affiliation in many places. So a person can be called mulata, criolla, negra, and even blanca in different contexts.
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