I guess I should've been more specific. When I said some people from Cuba are Cuban I was referring to the people who are originally from that country. I understand that some "Cubans" are mixed, and some "Cubans" are black. The same thing is in Puerto Rico, you have "puerto Ricans" the peoples originally from that country, then you have the mixture of black and Puerto Rican, and then you have the blacks. Yes, I realize they are still all called Cubans, and Puerto Ricans. But, blacks originated from Africa, not from Cuba or Puerto Rico, they were brought to these places.
My brother was engaged to a Puerto Rican girl who was of mixed background, but "looked" black. Her brother had red hair and freckles. Oddly they identified as black.
First describing someone as "regular black" says nothing about her background since that doesn't say anything about that person's true heritage. The average African American has Caucasian and Native American ancestry in addition to African ancestry.
Second, as Cree Summer's biography on Wikipedia states, "her mother is Lili Red Eagle, a member of the Plains Cree First Nation. " Summer's mother is mixed-race: Native American and African at least.
I guess you cant tell by looking, but I've seen pics of Crees parents before (i cant find any on the web), and her mother was a very black woman, the kind that many ODR forum members would call " true black" (or whatever). I'm not saying she doesnt have multi-racial backround, but I doubt she was half indian....
Alot of people in those indian organizations, are predominantly black or white, with fractions of indian ancestry
Same scenario....her mother probably has some "indian in her family", but half indian...I doubt.
Cree and Rae are likely closer to being half black, than just 1/4th.
I hear what your saying, but when it comes to someone being 1/2Native your dealing with a different degree of skin tones, because Native Americans range from very light to very dark. My grandfather is 1/2Cherokee and he is very dark he has curly hair and features that show Native admixture which he passed to his children he also had with black women.
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Jolie is arguably the biggest female star in the world right now, and anytime Hollywood has a chance to cast a star, it will.
Being of southern US cultural background, I've always just assumed that Jolie's feature's and her dad's were the result of sub Saharan admixture - sort of like Bob Barr. Eyeballing somebody as mixed is ultimately proof of nothing, but if when you live in the South you see white identified people all the time who probably (obviously?) have SSA ancestry. Maybe Jimmy Carter got his lips from his ancestors in England, but I tend to believe they came from somewhere else.
One important factor is how Pearl self -identifies. She may not identify as mixed or a person of color. Many people of mixed ancestry, especially people in Latin American cultures, prefer to see themselves portrayed as "white" or at least as fair as possible.
Sort of like the classic reaction of mixed ancestry Brazilians to the black American visitor's question, "What's it like for black people in Brazil?"
Answer: "I don't know. Go ask one."
How many Latinos look like the actors and actresses on Univision? (Steve Sailer has joked that Spanish language TV looks like it's produced in Latvia, given the focus on blonde hair and blue eyes. )
There are plenty of black Americans who don't want to see themselves portrayed as too dark. It's a touchy subject of course, and not something people talk about in public.
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I just thought of Carol Channing. She would have been one of my examples, but now she's out as having recent SSA ancestry. When I see someone like her, I tend to just assume, rightly or wrongly.
One important factor is how Pearl self -identifies. She may not identify as mixed or a person of color. Many people of mixed ancestry, especially people in Latin American cultures, prefer to see themselves portrayed as "white" or at least as fair as possible.
I believe she identifies as a mixed-race person from France, though I'm not sure.
I think this has more to do with getting a big-name star than anything else. Jolie's carefully cultivated image as a humanitarian and her "ethnic" looks help a great deal as well. I really couldn't see Jennifer Anniston playing her. But Jennifer Beals or even Halle Barry would have been good choices too. Granted Beals prefers roles in smaller independent films, but she would have been a better choice appearance wise.
Is anyone really surprised, we all knew Hollywood is racist anyways.
After reading the link to the article, it mentioned Pearl is of Cuban/Dutch descent, and not black. So, it wouldn't have been fair to cast Halle Berry or any other half black person as her. Ok, so maybe she is 1/4 black, even then it wouldn't have been appropriate, they would've had to have an actress that is 1/4 black, and I don't think there are any in Hollywood, well, ones that will admit it.
Yeah, You'd never see Halle Berry or any half black/full blooded black actress portray a white person of importance. Can you imagine it?? It is annoying, but we can all think the one drop rule for that.
Maybe Pearl actually liked Jolie portraying her? Dunno. She may not be of recent African ancestry, but Jolie is mixed.
Considerin she is mixed, why not? Maybe not Dutch and AfroCuban, but French and Native American. Alba pulled it off. Plus, I prefer going by what Marianne Pearl feels.
The real-life Mariane Pearl, 39, is pleased that Angelina Jolie will be playing her in the movie.
"I'm delighted Angelina Jolie will be playing my role. I deeply admire her work," Marianne Pearl said in an interview.
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Marianne Pearl said to Variety of Jolie’s casting: "I am delighted that Angelina Jolie will be playing my role in the adaptation of my book,"
"I deeply admire her work and what she is committed to."
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Marianne Pearl said she wanted Ms. Jolie-Pitt to play the part.
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Marianne Pearl said five studios bid for the story, but she gave it to Pitt because of all the Ivy League-educated executives clamoring for it, Pitt "was the only one who had read the book."
Is anyone really surprised, we all knew Hollywood is racist anyways.
After reading the link to the article, it mentioned Pearl is of Cuban/Dutch descent, and not black. So, it wouldn't have been fair to cast Halle Berry or any other half black person as her. Ok, so maybe she is 1/4 black, even then it wouldn't have been appropriate, they would've had to have an actress that is 1/4 black, and I don't think there are any in Hollywood, well, ones that will admit it.
Yeah, You'd never see Halle Berry or any half black/full blooded black actress portray a white person of importance. Can you imagine it?? It is annoying, but we can all think the one drop rule for that.
Maybe Pearl actually liked Jolie portraying her? Dunno. She may not be of recent African ancestry, but Jolie is mixed.
No, Cuban is a nationality and not a race. Her Cuban background is African.
Is anyone really surprised, we all knew Hollywood is racist anyways.
After reading the link to the article, it mentioned Pearl is of Cuban/Dutch descent, and not black. So, it wouldn't have been fair to cast Halle Berry or any other half black person as her. Ok, so maybe she is 1/4 black, even then it wouldn't have been appropriate, they would've had to have an actress that is 1/4 black, and I don't think there are any in Hollywood, well, ones that will admit it.
Yeah, You'd never see Halle Berry or any half black/full blooded black actress portray a white person of importance. Can you imagine it?? It is annoying, but we can all think the one drop rule for that.
Maybe Pearl actually liked Jolie portraying her? Dunno. She may not be of recent African ancestry, but Jolie is mixed.
BTW, the majority of Cubans are black or mutlatto. (via CIA factbook)
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