The Study of Racialism

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http://onedroprule.org/forum/127/restall-blackconquistadors.pdf

oevega · Posted: Mon 18 Dec 2006 15:38 Post subject: Semantics

Hi,

There is a little problem of sematics in here. The conquistador was the chief of the expedition and ONLY the chief of the expedition, and all of them were Europeans, mainly Spaniards but a couple of Germans are also counted.

The troops were mainly Spanish but there are descriptions of a few Black people in there, in particular an African with Cortes, who brough an epidemy to Mexico.

So, if we want to be precise, there was no Black conquistadors but some Blacks came with the Spanish troops that were at the service of the conquistador.

Omar

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

False Omar.

conquistador, ra.
1. adj. Que conquista. U. t. c. s.
Diccionario de la lengua española
La Real Academia Española

No importa el rango.

conquistador
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. con·quis·ta·dors or con·quis·ta·dor·es (-dôrs, -z)
A conqueror, especially one of the 16th-century Spanish soldiers who defeated the Indian civilizations of Mexico, Central America, or Peru.
ETYMOLOGY: Spanish, from conquistar, to conquer, from Vulgar Latin *conqustre, frequentative of Latin conqurere, to procure. See conquer.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

oevega · Posted: Mon 18 Dec 2006 19:19 Post subject:

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oevega · Posted: Mon 18 Dec 2006 20:03 Post subject:

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oevega · Posted: Mon 18 Dec 2006 21:14 Post subject:

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

Again, Nice try. Unless you can show that Native Americans were soldiers under the employment of the Spanish used to conquer other lands. No twisting. You just don't like the definition. Tough.

oevega · Posted: Mon 18 Dec 2006 21:36 Post subject: Spanish king

Don't you see? That's also wrong.

There was not Spanish military in the Americas. The conquistadors were the employers of theirs soldiers!

It was not the Spanish army which was destroying the Americas, lol. You well know the conquistadors were free enterpreneurs.

Now, you well know they pay their own soldier, and they also have slaves and large armies of friendly natives on their side.

Please, you know that!

Omar

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

They brought them over from across the sea. Mercenaries or not, they were acting under Spanish influence. With Spanish titles and Spanish permission. Some of those Blacks got land for their role in the conquista. They were Black conquistadors. Period. Get a clue.

oevega · Posted: Mon 18 Dec 2006 22:12 Post subject:

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

Nice try Omar. Go Troll somewhere else. I never said that Indians that joined up with the Spanish didn't become conquistadors. They did.
Again, the paper is about Black conquistadors, if you don't like it, give a source for your claim that it is innacurate, or shut up.

oevega · Posted: Tue 19 Dec 2006 12:35 Post subject:

Salsassin · SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 }

Obviously these people got recorded in history as well, as they are on record. Enough said.

fwsweet · Posted: Tue 19 Dec 2006 15:32 Post subject:

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oevega · Posted: Tue 19 Dec 2006 16:15 Post subject: Bernal Diaz del Castillo

My point is quite simple, "Conquistador" is a title assigned to the captains that had a contract with the crown to conquest new lands. it is like the Corsair patent of the British of the times of Queen Elizabeth I.

And army could have thousands of soldiers but only one general. Egypt had million of people but only one Pharaon. By the way, not all the Quechuas were Incas but only the ruler.

That what I mean. The Pizarro, Cortes, Almagro, Cabeza de Vaca and others were the Conquistadors, the rest were the troops at their service.

Penguin

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