Posted: Wed 20 Dec 2006 04:44 Post subject: Michael Jackson and his children
Welcome wrote:
Sorry to bump, but I just wanted to add this picture to the collection.
This is a picture of Michael Jackson (as a kid) and his son, Prince. Now, many people do not think that Michael Jackson's children are his own, but I beg to differ. I think that it is evident from this photo, the similarities that they hold. Yes he has light skin and hair, but he has dark eyes, and looks like Michael did as a kid.
This is Michael as an adult (pre-surgery) and the mother of their son:
What do you all think? And how likely is it that Michael would have 2 kids who are both similarly light?
I don't think so. The probability of both of them coming out looking White is too low.
My mum used to teach two kids at school though who were sisters, and they had a black dad and white mum. They both had blue eyes and blonde curly hair, and white skin. So it is possible.
Debbie Rowe, the woman who was paid to get pregnant then sold her two kids to a pedophile who fled the U.S. and nows lives in Bahrain leaving behind said children to be raised by four nannies, yes, THAT Debbie Rowe, has come out with the shocking - shocking! - revelation that Michael Jackson is NOT the biological father of the two blonde kids.
Rowe told the Irish newspaper, The Sunday World: "Michael knows the truth - that he is not the natural father of Prince Michael Jr and Paris. He has to come clean. I have no information whatsoever about the identity of the semen donor for either child as such (semen) was obtained anonymously from a semen bank under an agreement of confidentiality."
It's well known that Jackson has limited his ex-wife's access to the kids, per a financial agreement, but now that he's left the country and left the kids behind in California, Rowe no longer feels the need to continue with the old lie.
Debbie Rowe, the woman who was paid to get pregnant then sold her two kids to a pedophile who fled the U.S. and nows lives in Bahrain leaving behind said children to be raised by four nannies, yes, THAT Debbie Rowe, has come out with the shocking - shocking! - revelation that Michael Jackson is NOT the biological father of the two blonde kids.
Rowe told the Irish newspaper, The Sunday World: "Michael knows the truth - that he is not the natural father of Prince Michael Jr and Paris. He has to come clean. I have no information whatsoever about the identity of the semen donor for either child as such (semen) was obtained anonymously from a semen bank under an agreement of confidentiality."
It's well known that Jackson has limited his ex-wife's access to the kids, per a financial agreement, but now that he's left the country and left the kids behind in California, Rowe no longer feels the need to continue with the old lie.
That's from a tabloid. Now read this:
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Debbie Rowe did not tell an Irish newspaper that Michael Jackson isn’t the biological father of her children. Her friends tell me she has no idea why such a story suddenly spilled out. Rowe, I’m told, is recovering from the flu and, friends say, is pretty sure it’s not jet lag from traveling to Ireland.
In fact, friends say, it doesn’t even make sense, since Rowe could get millions for an official interview about her kids. “Why would she give a free interview to a small paper in Ireland?” they ask
Rowe thinks the story may be a result of Jackson’s anti-Semitic comments that were broadcast last week, combined with the fact that Rowe converted from Catholicism to Judaism, making Prince and Paris Jewish.
“The other irony is that most of Jackson’s lawyers and accountants are Jewish,” says an insider. “I wonder what they think of all this.”
And I still think they are his. Just look at the picture for starters!
I don't get why people seem intent on trying to say that his kids aren't his, just because they are light. Michael isn't fully black anyway - he has caucasian and Native American roots, PLUS Debbie Rowe is white. Yes, I know my info!
Notice the strong physical resemblance between Bob Hoskins and John Amos. Because two people share a similar look or features in no way proves they're related. They may and then again may not be.
Many people believe Michael Jackson is not sexually attracted to adult women and has not had intimate relations with either of his two ex-wives.
Even more have strong suspicions he's pedophilic. If these rumors are true, I wouldn't trust a thing that comes out of his disturbed corrupt mouth.
Truly, I believe it's Michael Jackson's track record of bizarre behavior (more so than his looks or shall I say former looks) that causes many to question the legitimacy of his parenthood claims.
Of course everyone is free to think/believe what they want concerning this matter because it's a free country. However, I believe (I may be completely wrong) this thread was intended to discuss/highlight proven beyond a shadow of a doubt cases where parents and children look as if they belong to so called opposite/different "races".
Notice the strong physical resemblance between Bob Hoskins and John Amos. Because two people share a similar look or features in no way proves they're related. They may and then again may not be.
That is a silly example though. I mean, Michael has SAID his kids are his, and his ex wife has never denied it, PLUS they actually look like him! Why are people always in denial about every single thing he does? Yes, you are entitled to your opinion as well, but those two people may look the same when not related, but what are the odds of Michael's 'son' not being his, but looking like him? I thought you guys saw that it goes deeper than skin colour. So they don't have his skin colour, but I believe they are his. OK, you don't, fair enough. But I'm sure one day we will all see. (when we actually get to see their faces).
This is another picture of him. To me, he doesn't even LOOK fully white at all. He looks mixed.
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Many people believe Michael Jackson is not sexually attracted to adult women and has not had intimate relations with either of his two ex-wives.
Even more have strong suspicions he's pedophilic. If so, I wouldn't trust a thing that comes out of his disturbed mouth.
Firstly, Lisa Marie Presely has said that she would not have married him if she didn't have sex with him. So, think what you like, but I doubt that both would lie. And as for the pedophilic thing, I won't even go there.
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Truly, I believe it's Michael Jackson's track record of bizarre behavior (more so than his looks or shall I say former looks) that causes many to question the legitimacy of his parenthood claims.
Yeah, I agree. But you gotta look at facts here. Michael's not even fully black himself.
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Of course everyone is free to think/believe what they want concerning this matter because it's a free country. However, I believe (I may be completely wrong) this thread was intended to discuss/highlight proven beyond a shadow of a doubt cases where parents and children look as if they belong to so called opposite/different "races".
I brought up this issue because I wanted to see what people thought, and also how likely it is to have two kids the same. But, thanks for replying to me anyway. I just find it funny how people question whether Michael's kids are his or not, and they don't question any one else. But thanks anyway.
That is a silly example though. I mean, Michael has SAID his kids are his, and his ex wife has never denied it, PLUS they actually look like him!
Some people believe a payoff was involved. If this is the case it would explain Ms. Rowe's complicity in - and silence in regards to - this possible charade. It's common knowledge that some people will do (and keep quiet about) anything for money.
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I brought up this issue because I wanted to see what people thought, and also how likely it is to have two kids the same. But, thanks for replying to me anyway. I just find it funny how people question whether Michael's kids are his or not, and they don't question any one else. But thanks anyway.
You're welcome. I too am curious about what other members think about the probability of those kids being Michael's.
That is a silly example though. I mean, Michael has SAID his kids are his, and his ex wife has never denied it, PLUS they actually look like him!
Some people believe a payoff was involved. If this is the case it would explain Ms. Rowe's complicity in - and silence in regards to - this possible charade. It's common knowledge that some people will do (and keep quiet about) anything for money.
Yes, that is very true. But it still doesn't rule out the possibility that his kids are his. I just wanted to raise the issue because most people automatically think they are not his kids, so I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt, for once.
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You're welcome. I too am curious about what other members think about the probability of those kids being Michael's.
*Checks username* Yes, I am Welcome! LOL ok, lame joke.
My mum used to teach two kids at school though who were sisters, and they had a black dad and white mum. They both had blue eyes and blonde curly hair, and white skin. So it is possible.
And I'd ask what the dad looked like. The Jacksons may have some Natve admixture and some European.
I still think it is wishful thinking.
Biological parentage of the children
Michael Jackson with his daughter Paris Katherine at Disneyland Paris, June 18, 2006After the children were seen in Martin Bashir's Living with Michael Jackson documentary special, many in the press and the public questioned whether Prince and Paris were actually Jackson's biological children, as they had no noticeable African features about them. Jackson explained that his own father is African-American, but has blue eyes, and that some of the Jackson family ancestors are Caucasian, and even Indian. Deborah Rowe, mother of the first two children, is Caucasian and part Jewish. However, in the beginning of the the interviews for the same special, Jackson states that Blanket's mother is black but later in the interview he also stated that Blanket's mother is white.
My mum used to teach two kids at school though who were sisters, and they had a black dad and white mum. They both had blue eyes and blonde curly hair, and white skin. So it is possible.
And I'd ask what the dad looked like. The Jacksons may have some Natve admixture and some European.
I still think it is wishful thinking.
Biological parentage of the children
Michael Jackson with his daughter Paris Katherine at Disneyland Paris, June 18, 2006After the children were seen in Martin Bashir's Living with Michael Jackson documentary special, many in the press and the public questioned whether Prince and Paris were actually Jackson's biological children, as they had no noticeable African features about them. Jackson explained that his own father is African-American, but has blue eyes, and that some of the Jackson family ancestors are Caucasian, and even Indian. Deborah Rowe, mother of the first two children, is Caucasian and part Jewish. However, in the beginning of the the interviews for the same special, Jackson states that Blanket's mother is black but later in the interview he also stated that Blanket's mother is white.
The dude is just confused as hell.
OK, the third child I have no knowledge about. But what I do know, is that Michael firstly stated the woman of Blanket was black, and then later he said he didn't know the race of her, cos he never had a relationship with her. So he might have been back tracking. But he never said she was white. I've seen it all on you tube.
Anyway, I wish other people would add in more imput! I'd like to see some other opinions.
And yes, Michael Jackson is 1/4 native Amercian, plus his great great grandfather was listed on the 1910 census as being mulato. So, who really know's what his kids would turn out like. All I can say is, keep an open mind, cos we can't really say for sure that his kids aren't his, when he himself has stated it (although a lot of what he says can be doubted). I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Thanks for the picture. The blond kid looks like Michael...but we cannot be really sure, but I see a lot of similarities, it could be his son.
That's OK. I see similarities too. And I maintain my thought that he is his son, considering Michael says he is as well LOL.
Salsassin wrote:
Baby faces tend to be a lot more similar than adult faces. From that picture I sure wouldn't draw any conclusions.
People really love to take away anything to do with Michael. You can't really see him properly in these pictures. And his skin looks quite dark there to me, well, not pale white at all. Olive.
By the way the picture I posted at the top isn't a baby picture of him, if you think it is (I was confused by that part of your post). It's him last year anyway, after the two pictures you have just posted. Thanks though.
Since February 13, 1997 when newborn baby Prince Jackson entered this world tabloids and people around the world have been questioning how Michael, an African-American, can be the father of such a "light" complectioned child. Somehow the fact that Debbie is Caucasion doesn't seem to register in people's minds. People insist that Prince should be darker, even "cream" colored, but not "white".
For my part, I became increasingly amazed at how our super-informed world could still be so lacking in the basic understanding of genetics (recessive genes and all.) But then most people refuse to accept that Michael has Vitiligo- a skin disease that literally strips the skin of its pigmentation leaving it stark white.
Interestingly, the biographer Randy Taraborelli notes in his book "Michael Jackson: The Magic and The Madness" that Michael's great-grand parents on his mother's side (Prince Albert Screw's family) were listed in the 1910 census as Mulatto. Mulatto, according to Webster's Dictionary, is a person who has one black parent and one white parent. So there is a posibility that Michael's ancestry included a Caucasion member, which could play into the genetic code of Prince's light complection along with Debbie's being Caucasion.
So once again I turned to research, and somebody on the internet who has bi-racial children who was willing to interview bi-racial teens in her neighborhood. Below are the results of both, which should give the reader clear examples of bi-racial children like Prince who defy our tendency to classify people.
"It was a balmy Saturday afternoon and Davon was taking his son, Jay, who is as light-skinned as his mother, out to get an ice-cream cone. Davon had driven only a few blocks when two white police officers in a squad car pulled him over. One of them yelled: "Nxxxxr, what are you doing with that little boy?"
When Davon claimed his child, the officer continued with the harassment: "Look, nxxxxr, that's not your son. You're black, the kid's white!" Davon was forced to get out of the car, accused of kidnapping, and threatened with arrest. "I'm going to radio the station and if there are any missing kids, you're going in with us until somebody comes down to claim this boy and says you have permission to have him," the officer said.
The police could find no reason to hold Davon but decided to escort him home to see if anyone there could identify him. Of course, Amy was able to set the record straight. "But I was almost hysterical by that time," she said. "They'd been gone for over an hour and then when they appeared with the police I couldn't believe I had to identify my son and my son's father!" (Source: "The Rainbow Effect - Interracial Families" by Kathlyn Gay 1987)
The reported incidents seem to indicate that dark-skinned parents are more often questioned about their light-skinned children. As one black mother in a metropolitan area reported: "I've had security guards in department stores check me out because my little boy is mixed and is about as blond as a Swede. People just want families to fit a certain image - they're supposed to be like the parent - one kind of people."...further in the book "The Rainbow Effect" this sort of image is described as "color-coded racial categories" or "racial boxes" which people want to clasify everyone according.(Kathlyn Gay 1987)
The sticky-wicket is that there are more inter-racial marriages occuring, not just black/white but Asian/black or Cherokee/Asian etc and we as a society can no longer color-code these children very easily. Maybe, just maybe, we will stop looking at the color and start looking at the integrity and character of a person - which is what really matters!
"A respected black businessperson in Chicago and a former Urban League official points out that his long-standing mixed marriage has not produced children who have suffered or who have a race war raging within. 'That idea is a lot of crap!' he said bluntly. Of his six children and many grandchildren, he says, 'Some are coal black, some yellow, some brown, some white. Everybody gets along. Why shouldn't they?'" (Kathlyn Gay 1987)
In the last 20 years, the number of interracial marriages in the U.S. has increased from 310,000 to more than 1.1 million. Hollywood is full of entertainers of mixed racial and ethnic backgrounds, including actress-singer Jasmine Guy who played on "A Different World." Paula Abdul, Mariah Carey, Anthony Quinn, and members of the pop musical group Cypress Hill all come from mixed racial and ethnic backgrounds. (Source: "Being a Biracial/Biethnic Teen" by Renea D. Nash 1995, Rosen Publishing Group)
"Debra and Bill, an interracial couple, have three children. Their first child gave them their first experience with how society was going to view their children. 'The little child looked white,' Debra laughs, 'and here I am, black as black can be.' Since it was their first child, the young couple didn't know what color to expect. They also didn't expect what happened following the birth of Jillesa: The nurses didn't believe she belonged to Debra! The baby looked like a white child.
Other mothers and fathers of bi-racial children have reported similar experiences. 'She looked really, really white,' Debra says of her daughter, who is now a beautiful beige complexion." (Source: "Being a Biracial/Biethnic Teen" by Renea D. Nash 1995, Rosen Publishing Group)
"How often have you [biracial teen] been asked if you're adopted, or why you don't look like your father or mother? How did you feel? Children wanting to identify with both parents can be hurt by society's rejection of their racial duality. It's important to have your own beauty affirmed." (Renea D. Nash 1995
Now I have a question for you, the reader. How do you think it feels to the parent to be blatantly told that this child you have fathered/mothered can't be yours? This child that you love as devotedly as any parent ever loved a child can't be yours because he isn't an acceptable color to other people!
So the next time you see a tabloid claiming Prince Jackson isn't Michael Jackson's child, just stop and think of these other parents you have just read about who had to fight hospitals to get their own children. Michael isn't the first person in an inter-racial relationship that has born a light complected child - and he won't be the last. I only hope that we can put to rest the petty argument that Prince isn't his child because his skin tone doesn't meet somebody's approval. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip...3/bi_race.html
I know full well that mixed European and African ancestry people can have a fully European looking kid. I just don't think the kid shows any resemblance to Michael. I don't think Michael shows that much European admixture, but more native, and I just don't think that it's his kid. And considering how wacko Jacko is. I would need more proof than his word.
Yes there are rare cases when a European looking child comes from a Obviously Afrodescent person. But not for two consecutive kids. The probability just doesn't match up.
And Jacko is no Eartha Kitt or Victoria Rowell.
And I can see Eartha in her daughter, and Victoria in hers
Yes there are rare cases when a European looking child comes from a Obviously Afrodescent person. But not for two consecutive kids. The probability just doesn't match up.
And Jacko is no Eartha Kitt or Victoria Rowell.
Exactly.
Even though Eartha and Victoria would be considered and perceived as being black by most Americans - especially since they are both Anglos and not Hispanic - they are both half white unlike Michael. That increases the likelihood of having a completely Nordic looking biracial child.
I'm not saying Michael isn't from a mixed background. Millions of white Americans have detectable African genetic markers. Countless numbers of Black Americans have measurable European ancestry. I'm just saying (and I think Salsassin is hinting at this too) I believe Michael's white ancestry is too distant - or perhaps I should say in percentages too low - to produce two utterly white appearanced biracial children in a row.
For instance consider Boris Becker's fling Angela Ermakova and their daughter Anna.
Many would say Angela is a very typical looking Black woman that one would assume would have two black identified parents. However when one looks at her child, the evidence of her biracial genetics is obvious. I doubt a non directly biracial woman with her exact appearance would have had such a completely white appearanced kid. Perhaps it's possible but I think the chances are slimmer.
In the final analysis we're all just expressing our opinions.
Michael's kid looks like him though. But yeah, I guess you can think what you wanna think. We will soon know whether they are his real kids or not when they grow up.
And you CAN have two light skinned kids. As I said before, my mum is a teacher and this girl in her class who has blonde hair and blue eyes has a black father and white mother. But this girl also has a brother who looks similar (blond hair and blue eyes). So it IS possible.
Also, Paris (Michael's daughter) isn't even that light anyway. And none of his kids have blue eyes - all have dark brown eyes.
Oh, and I agree that we are all just expressing opinions, but I wish I had never even brought this up now cos we have no right to actually say Michael's kids aren't his when he says they are. He's not exactly afraid of adoption considering he once said (4 years ago) that his dream is to adopt a kid from every continent.
Michael's kid looks like him though. But yeah, I guess you can think what you wanna think. We will soon know whether they are his real kids or not when they grow up.
Sorry, but I don't see it.
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And you CAN have two light skinned kids. As I said before, my mum is a teacher and this girl in her class who has blonde hair and blue eyes has a black father and white mother. But this girl also has a brother who looks similar (blond hair and blue eyes). So it IS possible.
Again, I would ask what the ancestry of the "Black" father is. And post pictures as well. Hearsay can always lead to exageration. In fact, you should invite them to join.
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Also, Paris (Michael's daughter) isn't even that light anyway. And none of his kids have blue eyes - all have dark brown eyes.
brown eyes are still the most common eyes in Europe as well.
Doesn't look like him at all either.
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Oh, and I agree that we are all just expressing opinions, but I wish I had never even brought this up now cos we have no right to actually say Michael's kids aren't his when he says they are. He's not exactly afraid of adoption considering he once said (4 years ago) that his dream is to adopt a kid from every continent.
And yet, he has yet to adopt. And the question is if he would be allowed to adopt considering his dubious history. But if he claims they are his biologically, it is harder to take them away. Quite convenient.
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