Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 10:52 Post subject: About Dragon Horse's posts
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Please. There is no need for inflammatory language.
I apologize but DG's constant "witty posts started getting annoying, and I think Leo and I both decided to respond.
Let's see how many comments he has done disparaging others either defending/praising his fetish, Far East Asians, or just being critical of other beliefs.
Dragon Horse wrote:
I only introduced the Pakistani scenario when the initial reports came out that the person "looked Asian"...
due to the history of violent crime in this country, especially mass murders, East Asians would be the least likely groups to do such things.
Dragon Horse wrote:
I would gladly take 10 million Chinese immigrants over 10 million Mexicans and Central Americans, because based on the numbers of what Chinese do compared to Hispanics when in other nations on average I know the Chinese have a higher potential to be a net positive for society.
Dragon Horse wrote:
I love Lebanese girls, we need to import more of them...well the Christian ones.
Dragon Horse wrote:
Latin American? You have got to be joking me. I'm sorry, I know you live there, but I think you are being unrealistic. Latin America has been a basket case for centuries. What do they champion, what kind of pull do they have with various nations around the world? Latin America has European culture yes, but it has Iberian culture before the Enlightenment really hit. This is the difference. Latin America is semi-Western as we know it today. It is not Europe, America, or Canada.
Latin America is no model for much of anything. Economically it is inferior to most of Asia...politically it is very corrupt. Socially it is sexist and very colorist/racist in a hierachy...no thanks
And then his thread about Asian men and their penis size.
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Where is this "nasty stereotype"? I can find nothing in this thread where anyone said anything about "black American men 'looking like they will beat someone down'." Please explain. If someone violated the rules in a different thread, please cite the URL of the offending thread.
I couldn't find it either
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Where are all these offenses? I can find nothing in this thread where anyone said anything about Muslims or sex. I see nothing where you are accused of racism. Please explain. If someone violated the rules in a different thread, please cite the URL of the offending thread.
Jaime: Unless you are an illegal alien, I cannot understand why you take DH’s screed personally.
Illegal alien directly married into my close family. And I have dated a few and count a bunch as close friends. Yes I take it personally.
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To the issue. DH makes two main points (The stuff about crime is a diversion, since the one group who we know for sure is terrified of arrest are the illegals.): First, illegal immigrants are so industrious and hard-working that they take jobs away from citizens. Second, illegal immigrants are so lazy and indolent that they go on welfare and consume public funds. Obviously, these are contradictory beliefs, hence irrational.
Well said.
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I am sure that there are excellent arguments against tolerating illegal immigration. For one thing, the current federal policy is to turn a blind eye to agribusinesses who flout the law by exploiting illegals in order to evade payroll taxes and protective labor laws. And letting the rich thus openly break the nation’s laws with impunity just breeds disrespect for the laws and for the nation. Also, I am sure that there must be some good arguments in favor of illegal immigration. But if we cannot discuss the issues like adults, I will have to close this thread permanently
Agreed. Of course if they weren't illegal, the agribusinesses couldn't count on immigrants to keep quite of the abuses for fear of being deported.
Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 13:09 Post subject: Re: On iguana ponies and immigration
Salsassin wrote:
DH's constant "witty posts started getting annoying, and I think Leo and I both decided to respond. Let's see how many comments he has done disparaging others either defending/praising his fetish, Far East Asians, or just being critical of other beliefs. ...
DH's weird sense of humor definitely rubs some people he wrong way. As far as I can tell, he uses it only when he needs to distract someone from a weak argument that he is making. I suggest that you ignore the distraction and focus on the weakness.
Regarding the penis size thread in the anthropology forum, my horrified reaction is that there is no decorum left in the world. How can we even allow such things to be discussed? The answer is that the thread sticks to presenting facts and, although it wanders once from penis size to sexual pleasure, it soon returns to the topic, distasteful though the topic may be to some of us older folks.
Salsassin wrote:
Illegal alien directly married into my close family. And I have dated a few and count a bunch as close friends. Yes I take it personally.
Okay, I understand now why you take it personally. Control yourself anyway.
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Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 13:20 Post subject:
Frank wrote:
Regarding the penis size thread in the anthropology forum, my horrified reaction is that there is no decorum left in the world. How can we even allow such things to be discussed? The answer is that the thread sticks to presenting facts and, although it wanders once from penis size to sexual pleasure, it soon returns to the topic, distasteful though the topic may be to some of us older folks.
I was tempted to intervene in that discussion at the end of last week, or simply lock the thread. I then changed my mind due the the very reasons you mentioned. I thought that, since the topic is being discussed somewhat scientifically, perhaps I should leave it go. If I had received complaints from other board members, or if it had veered into a lewd discussion, I'd have stepped in.
I then changed my mind due the the very reasons you mentioned.
Also, I saw it as coming under the same category as having blue half-moons at the base of your thumbnails--a myth about "racial" differences that is so widespread, that people want to know if there is any factual basis to it.
Lacking serious measurements by double-blind observers, I guess we still lack evidence. Still, that there may be regional preferences for different condom sizes was a fascinating bit of trivia. I doubt that Alex Trebek will use it, however: "People in some regions tend to buy larger versions of this commodity than do people in other regions." Don't forget to phrase your answer in the form of a question.
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Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 13:34 Post subject: Re: On iguana ponies and immigration
FW: I feel strongly that you are disregarding what I have said and showing serious basis...I base that on your "conclusion" based on what you thought I said in the post, which was not at all accurate...I have no idea how any one can come to the conclusion that what I said was irrational or illogical based on what I posted.
fwsweet wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
DH's constant "witty posts started getting annoying, and I think Leo and I both decided to respond. Let's see how many comments he has done disparaging others either defending/praising his fetish, Far East Asians, or just being critical of other beliefs. ...
DH's weird sense of humor definitely rubs some people he wrong way. As far as I can tell, he uses it only when he needs to distract someone from a weak argument that he is making. I suggest that you ignore the distraction and focus on the weakness.
Regarding the penis size thread in the anthropology forum, my horrified reaction is that there is no decorum left in the world. How can we even allow such things to be discussed? The answer is that the thread sticks to presenting facts and, although it wanders once from penis size to sexual pleasure, it soon returns to the topic, distasteful though the topic may be to some of us older folks.
Salsassin wrote:
Illegal alien directly married into my close family. And I have dated a few and count a bunch as close friends. Yes I take it personally.
Okay, I understand now why you take it personally. Control yourself anyway.
I did not make a weak argument in the immigration post, everything I said was backed up and no one refuted anything, not one thing.
It was all emotional rhetoric, lased with unsubstantiated insults.
As far as the penis size post, that was also not my opinion, it is a commonly talked about issue that can be found in popular culture going back many years along with racial stereotypes going back to anti-bellum South.
I wanted to know the truth, so I went to the World Health Organization.
If there data is in dispute I saw no one show it was.
Everyone on the thread seemed to agree with was valid, even the one woman who posted.
As I said on the thread it is not a big deal anyway for various reasons.
If people are so sensitive to reality that is not my problem as I made no untrue statements on the thread, and if I did anyone was free to argue against me, but did not. That is not my fault.
As far as specific complaints:
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Dragon Horse wrote:
I only introduced the Pakistani scenario when the initial reports came out that the person "looked Asian"...
due to the history of violent crime in this country, especially mass murders, East Asians would be the least likely groups to do such things.
What is inaccurate about this statements. East Asians are the least likely racial group in this country to commit murder, let alone double murder, that is not my opinion that is fact. Most East Asian countries also have a very low violent crime rate as compared to Western nations, that is also not opinion.
From this link you can check Interpol data for murder and rape form most countries in the world:
I would gladly take 10 million Chinese immigrants over 10 million Mexicans and Central Americans, because based on the numbers of what Chinese do compared to Hispanics when in other nations on average I know the Chinese have a higher potential to be a net positive for society.
Please show me why this is an inaccurate statement.
Please show me a overseas Chinese community anywhere in the world where Chinese citizens are less law abiding and less educated than the average of the host nation population.
I can definitely show you many Hispanic communities where this is the case, but you would be hard pressed to find a Chinese one. That is reality, not opinion.
If it is a lie it should not be hard to disprove.
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love Lebanese girls, we need to import more of them...well the Christian ones
Am I the only one who has made statements about attractive nationalities of women on this site? I think not. I did not say anything distasteful or nasty about women, Lebanese women, or Muslim women. What is the issue?
Please show me a country where Christian Lebanese in mass have become radicalized and threatened to murder people due to religious beliefs in their host countries?
I can show you several dozen stories about Lebanese Muslims that do this in Scandanavia and Australia. So yes, I woudl prefer Lebanese CHristians to immigrate over Lebanese Muslims because the former group is more likely to be safe and integrate (as LEbanese Christians have done in America and Latin America) where Muslims have mixed results.
This is illogical why?
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Latin American? You have got to be joking me. I'm sorry, I know you live there, but I think you are being unrealistic. Latin America has been a basket case for centuries. What do they champion, what kind of pull do they have with various nations around the world? Latin America has European culture yes, but it has Iberian culture before the Enlightenment really hit. This is the difference. Latin America is semi-Western as we know it today. It is not Europe, America, or Canada.
Latin America is no model for much of anything. Economically it is inferior to most of Asia...politically it is very corrupt. Socially it is sexist and very colorist/racist in a hierarchy...no thanks
You take what I said out of context, unless you look at the entire thread this snippet means little. That is my belief though.
It is also true that South America has historically had unstable politics and economics (over most of the countries, not all) and it is also true there is a lot of colorism/racism. We have talked about this at length on this site and everyone seems to agree with that but Ovega.
So the issue is what?
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To the issue. DH makes two main points (The stuff about crime is a diversion, since the one group who we know for sure is terrified of arrest are the illegals.): First, illegal immigrants are so industrious and hard-working that they take jobs away from citizens. Second, illegal immigrants are so lazy and indolent that they go on welfare and consume public funds. Obviously, these are contradictory beliefs, hence irrational.
This is not even close to what I said. I responded to Frank, and informed him quite clearly as to why he was misrepresenting what it was I said. He deleted it.
1) I never said illegals were lazy. Not once.
I did call them parasites, being a parasite does not mean one does not work.
Working 12 hours a day illegally can be seen as industrious but not in the classic sense. It is about as industrious as a strike breaker. It is not industrious and hard working to undercut citizens who expect employers to obey the law and live up to standard work conditions as established by the law.
I might agree to work for someone as a slave if they feed my family for 12 hours a day, and put two legal workers out of business, does this mean I'm industrious, that is illogical.
2) Having a job does not mean one pays taxes or one does not use public schools, hospitals (without paying), welfare (because you have no documents so you are not legally married here and your baby's momma can apply for welfare), cost money to police, since many immigrant communities (as in LA have high crime rates among illegals and also in the DC metro area). These things all cost money from the tax base, and no one has shown me that most illegals pay their fair share of state and Federal taxes (although some do), this is why Arizona cut off all benefits but emergency medical care and schools to illegals. That being said, I'm sure most illegal immigrants in Arizona have "employment"...this does not mean they do not "get over" when it comes to "rent seeking" behavior from public goods.
There is nothing irrational about this position and the Heritage Foundation just published a report verifying this.
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Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 13:39 Post subject:
fwsweet wrote:
William wrote:
I then changed my mind due the the very reasons you mentioned.
Also, I saw it as coming under the same category as having blue half-moons at the base of your thumbnails--a myth about "racial" differences that is so widespread, that people want to know if there is any factual basis to it.
Lacking serious measurements by double-blind observers, I guess we still lack evidence. Still, that there may be regional preferences for different condom sizes was a fascinating bit of trivia. I doubt that Alex Trebek will use it, however: "People in some regions tend to buy larger versions of this commodity than do people in other regions." Don't forget to phrase your answer in the form of a question.
What is wrong with discussing physical differences on a board with a section dedicated to anthropological issues in regard to "race".
I have no idea why adults can not speak about such issues or why people would feel offended other than personal insecurities. No foul language was used in the thread by anyone, and I did not make the evidence up or support stereotypes, I used information from a United Nations study, not from a racist site.
Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 14:00 Post subject: Re: On iguana ponies and immigration
Dragon Horse wrote:
FW: I feel strongly that you are disregarding what I have said and showing serious basis...I base that on your "conclusion" based on what you thought I said in the post, which was not at all accurate...I have no idea how any one can come to the conclusion that what I said was irrational or illogical based on what I posted.
Are you talking about the contradiction between too-industrious and too-lazy illegals? If so, please feel free to defend your position and rebut mine when I re-open that thread. I think that Jaime opened this thread to discuss your general demeanor, not the specific issue of the status and exploitation of illegal immigrants.
Dragon Horse wrote:
As far as the penis size post, that was also not my opinion, it is a commonly talked about issue that can be found in popular culture going back many years along with racial stereotypes going back to anti-bellum South. ...
The moderators have already agreed with you, and explained why.
Dragon Horse wrote:
I only introduced the Pakistani scenario when the initial reports came out that the person "looked Asian"... due to the history of violent crime in this country, especially mass murders, East Asians would be the least likely groups to do such things. ...
Again, the moderators have already agreed with you.
Dragon Horse wrote:
I would gladly take 10 million Chinese immigrants over 10 million Mexicans and Central Americans, because based on the numbers of what Chinese do compared to Hispanics when in other nations on average I know the Chinese have a higher potential to be a net positive for society. Please show me why this is an inaccurate statement. ...
Again, the moderators have already agreed with you. That Asian Americans are "The Model Minority" and that Hispanics commit more crimes of passion than Anglos or East Asians (but less than Blacks or Middle-Easterners) are not disputed. The concern was apparently that your saying such things bluntly was insensitive and offensive to some readers. But the moderators have consistently dismissed complaints that posts are insensitive or offensive when they are accurate. This site is not a sensitivity training site. It stresses verifiable accuracy.
Dragon Horse wrote:
Lebanese girls, we need to import more of them...well the Christian ones .... Am I the only one who has made statements about attractive nationalities of women on this site? I think not. I did not say anything distasteful or nasty about women, Lebanese women, or Muslim women. What is the issue?
I do not know what Jaime's issue is with this statement. Again, the moderators had no problem with it.
Dragon Horse wrote:
Latin America has been a basket case for centuries. ... So the issue is what?
Again, the moderators have no problem with your accurate statement, even though it could be taken as insensitive and offensive.
Dragon Horse wrote:
This is not even close to what I said. I responded to Frank, and informed him quite clearly as to why he was misrepresenting what it was I said. He deleted it.
Yes. You make good points. As I already said, please feel free to continue that debate in the thread on the status and exploitation of illegal immigrants when I re-open it.
Overall, I think that the concern here is your weird sense of humor and your apparent insensitivity for potentially offensive remarks. As I have repeated, I have no problem with the humor. And I and the other moderators are willing to tolerate potentially insensitive statements as long as they are accurate. After all, if we fretted over not offending anyone, the site would not exist. Mentioning any aspect of U.S. racialism is guaranteed to offend someone. I guess that all I can suggest is that you be aware that people may react negatively to what you write, accurate though it may be, and make sure you state it in a way that obviously can be backed up with evidence, and make it clear that you are pepared to do so. Perhaps putting your source in the initial post would help; it is what I and others often do: "According to XYZ Study, Hispanic females are bad at chess."
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Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 14:04 Post subject:
Thank you FW.
I apologize if I have offended anyone, but I try very hard not to say things that are accurate. I might not sugar coat it, but I also do not purposely lie or mislead.
You pointed out above that Hispanics commit less crimes than black Americans, that is quite right. I do not like that, but I can't argue with reality. If I don't like reality then I should try to change it. I do some work in that direction.
No problem. Few members sugarcoat things here. People who are offended by factually demonstrable reaility avoid this site. But, as I said, my own technique is to forestall complaints by following rule A.2.b.: "When presenting something potentially controversial, it is good form to cite your sources before being asked." Hence, my made-up example of: "According to XYZ Study, Hispanic females are bad at chess."
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Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 16:32 Post subject:
Sir, I really don't want to argue with anyone. If nobody
can see how slyly insulting Mr. Dragon Horse is to people
of other cultures, and if that seems okay. If we're all
afraid that we may appear to not like Black people, so
we politely excuse him, then that is okay and understandable.
http://backintyme.com/odr/viewtopic.php?t=3210 What is this,
his “Black Woman Explains Penis Power” thread? Have you
listened to the videos he presented for us to hear? What men
is she talking about, and why is it important for us hear it? Yet
it’s okay with me, if it is okay with others. I don’t want to rock
the boat. Who in today's America wants to be thought of as
having any problem whatsoever with a Black American male?
I know I don't. I just didn't want people thinking it's a Multiracial
male saying an doing these things; and innocent as they may be.
Average vaginal size does differ, but at least width wise, women can "stretch" overtime without tearing as long as they are properly lubricated. Men can not.
Women from any population can accomodate any penis size, but men from populations that are smaller than average will have difficulty pleasing a women from a population where the men are larger on average.
Hopefully, with advances in male enhancement technology "small fries" will become giants among men and this won't be a problem.
Yeah I can imagine that average Japanese guy is not going to be pleasing to the average Mandingo woman.
I could see it now! "What is that? My 5 year old son is bigger than that, get the heck out of here!!"
His sly fight picking is constantly never ending, but only in my opinion.
I have no fight with the gentleman. I merely wanted people to know
that he is not a Self-Identified Multiracial saying and doing these things.
As long as everyone visiting this site, those who cannot see his picture,
know that; I am perfectly happy with anything he says. I just didn't want
people thinking that Self-Identified Multiracial males share all of these
negative behavior traits that are often unfairly associated with African
American males; such as the slyly innocent humiliation of the males of
other ethnic groups, and the seeking out of their females while openly
rejecting the ones with whom they share physical characteristics. If
nobody can see my concerns and nobody agrees with them, that is quite
alright with me. I'm easy to get along with, and I always respect the
majority consensus.
As far as the insults to the Muslim people and their religion, there's no
need for me to comment. Those insults are probably felt by most readers
here to be deserving and not insults at all. By the way, I'm a Zen
Buddhist who is also somewhat Abrahamic in my beliefs, having great
respect for the Prophet Muhammad and all other religious teachers, too.
If that's important, there it is. I've never mentioned it before. I sat back
and allowed all to think they knew my religion. It's always interesting.
I could show all types of passages from the Holy Bible, showing Prophet
Lot having babies with his two daughers, showing Abraham married to his
half-sister and lending her other men inorder to aquire wealth. I can
show you in the bible where folks are instructed to kill every living thing;
males, females, children, animals. I could show you so much that I
would be ashamed of myself for do that to the beliefs of another. I
respect all religions, and their followers. I could speak on the genocide
of America's indigenous people, on the genocide of the Tutsi by the Hutu;
all good Christian people. America was a democracy and so was where
the Tutsi and Hutu were living; but what good would it do for me to insult
the religious beliefs of others. I could tell how the Dutch peace keepers in
Bosnia stood aside and let the Serbs take out thousands of Muslim men
and slaughter them; yes, the nice loving tolorant Dutch. But why would I
want to embarrass and point out the constant hypocrisy of otherwise
good decent folks and their religions? So I quietly sit and listen to the
constant misinformation and insults made here and throughout my
beloved America against Islam. I forgive and understand. Now I'll be told
to back up everything I've said, etc. and when I'm finished what good will
it do. I'll probably be called an apologist for Islam and dismissed. So I'll
just say maybe it's all my imagination. Maybe I'm all wrong. Maybe
it doesn't matter that we feel justified to keep insulting over a billion
people whose religion means more to them then life itself. Muslims
never forget. Our great-grandchildren will be fighting with theirs,
and a lot of it is because of the disrespect we now feel we can so
easily get away with. But I'm willing to admit it may be all in my
imagination. But as Mr. Colin Powell said, "You break it, you've
bought it."
I could show you all sorts of things in the Bible, because I know it
backwards and forwards. l've studied it since I was a tiny child. I was
reading and performing in stage plays long before I entered school. But I
don't show these biblical things or speak of them, because I feel it would
be disrespectful to the deeply held beliefs of my good Christian and
Jewish fellow citizens. And also I may be challenged to prove what I'm
saying or be suspended. Then I'll have to show you chapter and verse,
which I can easily do. Please don't ask me to do it, because the last
thing in the world I want to do is make anyone's deeply held beliefs
look false and hypocritical. The Christian and Jewish faiths are very
dear to me, as are their people.
The Virgin Mary wore a veil. Jesus never said it was wrong or oppressive.
Many Catholic Nuns wear them. Would we make a Catholic Nun remove
her head covering. The pope wears a little cap, as do Cardnals and
Bishops. Islam teaches the priesthood of the believers. Sunni Muslims
have no clergy. Each person is his or her own clergy. So if a female sees
herself as a clergy, why can't she (just like a Catholic Nun) be allowed to
cover her head without insult and insinuation? Why do we pick at the
smallest thing. Why do we say Muz-lim instead of Moo-slim, why Eye-raq
instead of Eee-rag. Why the constant picking? Muslims are not slaves
whose spirits will be easily broken. Drop an atomic bomb on Muslims and
they'll double up on childbirths. It's the only major religion on earth that
teaches its followers how to defend themselves against Judeo-Christian
and other imperialism. They knew of the Roman and Greek empires; and
the Persian one. Those were the times. It was born in warfare. It is based
on warfare. But only on defensive warfare. Muslims love warfare and long
for it, just as did the early Vikings. Okay, so this is a fact. So why do we
keep screwing with them? We have experience with breaking the spirit of
Black African slaves and Native American Indians. Those well tested
techniques don't work with Muslims. They just make things worse.
Muslims follow the example of Samson in the bible. He thought he was
dying for God and took many innocent people with him. People read that
story and say, "Oh what a nice story." The problem is that the Muslims
take that story seriously. This is the Bible. When we criticize Islam,
we're often criticizing our very own bible. This is dangerous stuff.
But who can see my love of America when I say these things? So
why even mention them. I try to never do so, because my help will
only be ignored and ridiculed in all probability. I just do my work,
mind my own business, and pray that America and our people will
remain safe and secure for generations to come. And that our
democracy will continue to prosper as our nation works through
these problems. And I do see progress, and that warms my heart.
I respect this site. I don't want anyone thinking this site is anti-Black.
I don't want anyone thinking this site is pro-Muslim. If I was in anyway
out of order for stating any of my concerns I apologize to all concerned.
I've taken my licking and I just want to move on. Someone born here in
the USA had to speak up on behalf of the Latino people, and I did so.
I'm glad I did. I couldn't sit by silently and allow visitors to this site to
believe we excuse such insults.
I have no fight with Mr. Dragon Horse. I wish him only the best. I
honestly like him. It's true, I really do. I merely wanted to remind that
people many people around the world read the internet and take these
insults seriously; and that in my humble opinion I felt he was making us
Multiracial folks look like bigots; and that's not fair, because most of our
people seem to bend over backwards be apologetic and fair to all people
of all races, colors, creed, sizes, ages, and national origin. Most men
around the world (I think), just want to reproduce and raise their families
in peace, without people constantly trying to innocently lure their wives
and girlfriends away from them, only to drop the ladies and move on to
the next one. African American males have a reputation as disrespectful
carefree lovers. We all know it's not true, yet it is a perception, and it
causes many people to smile in their faces while working hard behind the
scenes to hold them and their people down, and to even destroy them.
But I see it is none of my business. If I make any suggestions (because I
do care about all of Mother Earth's children, and I want to see us all
prosper), I can be expected to be told I have some sexual or mental
problem. This is Creator telling me to let it be. He will help the people.
I expect to be challenged on the Bible thing. So after I've reluctantly
shown some of this stuff. And I hope my good Christian and Jewish
friends forgive me, because I certainly don't want to. Maybe I'll learn
to do like most of the rest of America, and just shut up and quietly
allow our nation's racial saga to play itself out for better or for worse.
The people on this site are basically good decent folks, just trying
to run a wonderfully educational site for us all. I do not want to allow
myself to be cast in the image of the bad guy trying to rock the boat.
I am willing to say that everything I have said and done is wrong,
if that will keep the peace. I am willing to humbly submit. I'm just
grateful to be here among such fine, decent, and well-informed
people. None of us is perfect, certainly not me, and I sincerely
apologize for trying to expose any inperfections on anyone's part.
I am so glad Mr. Sweet stepped in and stopped that other thread.
We were all allowed to save our dignity, before things went too far.
I think it was a wise choice on his part, as usual (hahaha). I love
the way he runs this place. It's a good site. My warmest regards
to all, and my best wishes for the future happiness of you and your
loved ones; Mr. Dragon Horse included.
That's my story and I'm sticking with it (hahaha). That's a wrap.
http://backintyme.com/odr/viewtopic.php?t=3210 What is this, [DH's] “Black Woman Explains Penis Power” thread? Have you listened to the videos he presented for us to hear? What men is she talking about, and why is it important for us hear it?
Of course we watched the videos. The woman is either nutty as a fruitcake. -- DH said she was, "pure comedy, I was LMBAO this morning watching her clips." Thea said, " I found her to be thoroughly amusing ... just living in a fantasy land."
Or she is a calculating shock-jock. -- DucorpsToo said, "She should be a guest speaker on the Howard Stern show. Maybe she should have her own station on satellite radio." Thea also said, "and what she said in her explicit and earthy way about sexual conditioning is true."
Either way, whether she is nuts, or a shock-jock, or both, no one around here seemed to take her seriously. DH's posting her was meant as a joke.
leosprycat wrote:
Who in today's America wants to be thought of as having any problem whatsoever with a Black American male?
But that is just not true. We have suspended, even permanently expelled Black American males who would not or could not contribute meaningfully.
leosprycat wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
Yeah I can imagine that average Japanese guy is not going to be pleasing to the average Mandingo woman. I could see it now! "What is that? My 5 year old son is bigger than that, get the heck out of here!!
Again, I think that this was meant as a joke. An offensive joke in bad taste, but one that is unlikely to be taken as a serious statement of factual reality. If you wanted to challenge it, you should have done so at the time. What strikes me is that the exchange was between DH and Gordon, who has been entrusted by me with the authority and power to yank DH's posting privilege on the spot. That he chose to let it go suggests that he also saw it as another DH joke in bad taste.
Your observations regarding the cruelty condoned (or not) in various religion's scriptures are best posted in the appropriate forums. If your concern is to portray citizens of other countries accurately, I suggest "International Studies." If it is to sway U.S. non-Muslim public opinion towards Muslim U.S. citizens, then "Improving U.S. Society" would be the place. For example, there is an open thread on Islam and Homosexuality that you might want to contribute to. As I see it, Melanie is citing anti-Muslim sources to suggest that the religion opposes homosexuality, High School Teacher is arguing that cruelty and death by stoning are distorions of true Islam, I am arguing that distortions or not, those are the interpretations that are enforced at gunpoint wherever Islam has control of the state, and Maya is trying to keep the discussion from veering too far off-topic.
Regarding the penis size thread in the anthropology forum, my horrified reaction is that there is no decorum left in the world. How can we even allow such things to be discussed? The answer is that the thread sticks to presenting facts and, although it wanders once from penis size to sexual pleasure, it soon returns to the topic, distasteful though the topic may be to some of us older folks.
I was tempted to intervene in that discussion at the end of last week, or simply lock the thread. I then changed my mind due the the very reasons you mentioned. I thought that, since the topic is being discussed somewhat scientifically, perhaps I should leave it go. If I had received complaints from other board members, or if it had veered into a lewd discussion, I'd have stepped in.
If he had made the post With decorum, I would not have minded but the whole attitude was "Hey how funny is it that Asian men have smaller penises than me, So any idea why that its? If I were an Asian male who joined this site I would have been offended by the condescending attitude of the post.
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Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 17:11 Post subject:
fwsweet wrote:
leosprycat wrote:
http://backintyme.com/odr/viewtopic.php?t=3210 What is this, [DH's] “Black Woman Explains Penis Power” thread? Have you listened to the videos he presented for us to hear? What men is she talking about, and why is it important for us hear it?
Of course we watched the videos. The woman is either nutty as a fruitcake. -- DH said she was, "pure comedy, I was LMBAO this morning watching her clips." Thea said, " I found her to be thoroughly amusing ... just living in a fantasy land."
Or she is a calculating shock-jock. -- DucorpsToo said, "She should be a guest speaker on the Howard Stern show. Maybe she should have her own station on satellite radio." Thea also said, "and what she said in her explicit and earthy way about sexual conditioning is true."
Either way, whether she is nuts, or a shock-jock, or both, no one around here seemed to take her seriously. DH's posting her was meant as a joke.
leosprycat wrote:
Who in today's America wants to be thought of as having any problem whatsoever with a Black American male?
But that is just not true. We have suspended, even permanently expelled Black American males who would not or could not contribute meaningfully.
leosprycat wrote:
Dragon Horse wrote:
Yeah I can imagine that average Japanese guy is not going to be pleasing to the average Mandingo woman. I could see it now! "What is that? My 5 year old son is bigger than that, get the heck out of here!!
Again, I think that this was meant as a joke. An offensive joke in bad taste, but one that is unlikely to be taken as a serious statement of factual reality. If you wanted to challenge it, you should have done so at the time. What strikes me is that the exchange was between DH and Gordon, who has been entrusted by me with the authority and power to yank DH's posting privilege on the spot. That he chose to let it go suggests that he also saw it as another DH joke in bad taste.
Your observations regarding the cruelty condoned (or not) in various religion's scriptures are best posted in the appropriate forums. If your concern is to portray citizens of other countries accurately, I suggest "International Studies." If it is to sway U.S. non-Muslim public opinion towards Muslim U.S. citizens, then "Improving U.S. Society" would be the place. For example, there is an open thread on Islam and Homosexuality that you might want to contribute to. As I see it, Melanie is citing anti-Muslim sources to suggest that the religion opposes homosexuality, High School Teacher is arguing that cruelty and death by stoning are distorions of true Islam, I am arguing that distortions or not, those are the interpretations that are enforced at gunpoint wherever Islam has control of the state, and Maya is trying to keep the discussion from veering too far off-topic.
Yes Sir (smile), the fault is mine.
Leo Y. "Ireland" Abdulmalik
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Joined: 07 Feb 2007 {Posts: 1829 } Location: Lookin DC Metro, Feelin Geneva
Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 17:41 Post subject:
Salsassin wrote:
William wrote:
Frank wrote:
Regarding the penis size thread in the anthropology forum, my horrified reaction is that there is no decorum left in the world. How can we even allow such things to be discussed? The answer is that the thread sticks to presenting facts and, although it wanders once from penis size to sexual pleasure, it soon returns to the topic, distasteful though the topic may be to some of us older folks.
I was tempted to intervene in that discussion at the end of last week, or simply lock the thread. I then changed my mind due the the very reasons you mentioned. I thought that, since the topic is being discussed somewhat scientifically, perhaps I should leave it go. If I had received complaints from other board members, or if it had veered into a lewd discussion, I'd have stepped in.
If he had made the post With decorum, I would not have minded but the whole attitude was "Hey how funny is it that Asian men have smaller penises than me, So any idea why that its? If I were an Asian male who joined this site I would have been offended by the condescending attitude of the post.
I did not find it funny per se.
I was making light of something G-man said.
Quote:
Women from any population can accomodate any penis size, but men from populations that are smaller than average will have difficulty pleasing a women from a population where the men are larger on average.
Hopefully, with advances in male enhancement technology "small fries" will become giants among men and this won't be a problem.
Yes, apparently, according to the WHO some populations of men have smaller penises, as I stated at the end of the thread that is not a big deal as I believe most women are not primarily interested in that.
Some men are shorter than other men or less muscular as well...and I'm sure you can divide that by population as well, breaking it down by ethnicity and race...whatever.
So what?
Mongolians are not known to be very tall or naturally muscular compared to Swedes or Germans but they conquored 2/3 of Eurasia and controlled it for decades. So obviously physical prowness is not the end all and be all.
To me, getting outraged about things like this speaks more to low self esteem or self image. That's my opinion.
hell I'm going to have half Asian kids, they might not bve the "biggest men" on the planet and if that is my primary concenred I would not have married a Japanese woman, obviously I don't care much.
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Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 18:11 Post subject:
leosprycat wrote:
Yes Sir (smile), the fault is mine.
Not at all. The site should always try to avoid depictions of extreme conflict or sexuality (violence or lewdness). I, personally, don’t want to be associated with either. Regular posters need to have a greater sensitivity to racial and ethnic issues and groups. Too cavalier an attitude is not a sign of confidence.
Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 168 } Location: Mid-Atlantic States; USA
Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 18:19 Post subject:
LMartin wrote:
leosprycat wrote:
Yes Sir (smile), the fault is mine.
Not at all. The site should always try to avoid depictions of extreme conflict or sexuality (violence or lewdness). I, personally, don’t want to be associated with either. Regular posters need to have a greater sensitivity to racial and ethnic issues and groups. Too cavalier an attitude is not a sign of confidence.
When a man is humble, he can grow. (Lao Tzu)
Thanks Mr. Liam Martin (big smile). Sir, your kind words are much appreciated.
Joined: 07 Feb 2007 {Posts: 1829 } Location: Lookin DC Metro, Feelin Geneva
Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 18:30 Post subject:
LMartin wrote:
leosprycat wrote:
Yes Sir (smile), the fault is mine.
Not at all. The site should always try to avoid depictions of extreme conflict or sexuality (violence or lewdness). I, personally, don’t want to be associated with either. Regular posters need to have a greater sensitivity to racial and ethnic issues and groups. Too cavalier an attitude is not a sign of confidence.
When a man is humble, he can grow. (Lao Tzu)
Neither is overreaction and ad hominem attacks in the form of name calling because they heard something they don't like.
That is school yard behavior. The fact is when discussing these issues, someone will always be offended, especially when they hear something they don't want to hear even if it is 100% correct by all measures and evalutions people have emotional responses that are often unreasonable and irrational based on projection and assumption.
Not my problem.
I do my best to follow the rules of this site and post accurate info, I back up most of what I say and when I'm wrong or uninformed I have freely admitted it. I'm not hear to guard people's egos. People say things I find objectionable all the time on this site, such as Mulatto Kid, Powell, and others.
I don't tend tend to go nuts on them. I address what I find objectionable show my point and move on, that is what pluralism is about.
Joined: 11 May 2005 {Posts: 84 } Location: New York
Posted: Mon 30 Apr 2007 19:19 Post subject:
Dragon Horse wrote:
LMartin wrote:
leosprycat wrote:
Yes Sir (smile), the fault is mine.
Not at all. The site should always try to avoid depictions of extreme conflict or sexuality (violence or lewdness). I, personally, don’t want to be associated with either. Regular posters need to have a greater sensitivity to racial and ethnic issues and groups. Too cavalier an attitude is not a sign of confidence.
When a man is humble, he can grow. (Lao Tzu)
Neither is overreaction and ad hominem attacks in the form of name calling because they heard something they don't like.
That is school yard behavior. The fact is when discussing these issues, someone will always be offended, especially when they hear something they don't want to hear even if it is 100% correct by all measures and evalutions people have emotional responses that are often unreasonable and irrational based on projection and assumption.
Not my problem.
I do my best to follow the rules of this site and post accurate info, I back up most of what I say and when I'm wrong or uninformed I have freely admitted it. I'm not hear to guard people's egos. People say things I find objectionable all the time on this site, such as Mulatto Kid, Powell, and others.
I don't tend tend to go nuts on them. I address what I find objectionable show my point and move on, that is what pluralism is about.
DH,
its never so much what you say, but how you say it. My only contribution to this is to advise a little more sensitivity. I’m not Asian, but I was quite uneasy about the comments about Asian men, not the factual truth, but the flippant way it was said. And I'm pretty sure I wasn't projecting. It is all our problem who gets offended. Frank was just last week trying to figure out how he could lessen the offense many feel the site gives. If we offend too many, there won’t be a site. Just a little more sensitivity is all I’m advising.
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