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fwsweet Administrator

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Posted: Sun 02 Jul 2006 23:16 Post subject: Re: Kennewick |
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| oevega wrote: | | Now, Ainus are suppose to be related to Caucasians or Australoids rather than to East Asians. |
| Salsassin wrote: | | Quote and Source please |
| oevega wrote: | | Get more info with anthropologists, please. |
Wrong answer, Omar. You cannot just throw out unsubstantiated statements of fact, like that, and then beg off with, "look it up" when challenged. If you have a source that connects the Ainu with Europe or with the Sundadonts, share it with us. If not, then do not make such claims. |
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oevega SuperMentor

Joined: 04 May 2005 {Posts: 2021 } Location: santiago, chile
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Posted: Mon 03 Jul 2006 14:04 Post subject: Re: Kennewick |
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| fwsweet wrote: | | oevega wrote: | | Now, Ainus are suppose to be related to Caucasians or Australoids rather than to East Asians. |
| Salsassin wrote: | | Quote and Source please |
| oevega wrote: | | Get more info with anthropologists, please. |
Wrong answer, Omar. You cannot just throw out unsubstantiated statements of fact, like that, and then beg off with, "look it up" when challenged. If you have a source that connects the Ainu with Europe or with the Sundadonts, share it with us. If not, then do not make such claims. |
Hi Frank,
I pick that in a TV program once. I will reserch it for you without problem.
I am pretty sure what I am claimming is certain but I don't have the papers at hand. I willl get in contact with you when I do,
Regards,
Omar |
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fwsweet Administrator

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Posted: Mon 03 Jul 2006 14:41 Post subject: Re: Kennewick |
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| oevega wrote: | | I pick that in a TV program once. I will reserch it for you without problem. |
Please do. The reason I jumped on it (and, I suspect, Jaime also) is because I think that this is one of those urban legends that float around. The Ainu are not that different in looks from the other native inhabitants of eastern Siberia. They just happen to be politically under Japan. |
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oevega SuperMentor

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Posted: Mon 03 Jul 2006 15:22 Post subject: Re: Kennewick |
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| fwsweet wrote: | | oevega wrote: | | I pick that in a TV program once. I will reserch it for you without problem. |
Please do. The reason I jumped on it (and, I suspect, Jaime also) is because I think that this is one of those urban legends that float around. The Ainu are not that different in looks from the other native inhabitants of eastern Siberia. They just happen to be politically under Japan. |
Hi,
They at least got a feature that is not common between East Asian people: They are very hairy. Although, as any minority, I am quite sure that thousand of years living together has erased many of the distinct physical features of the original Ainus.
I'll research and I come back.
Omar |
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Salsassin Suspended

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Posted: Mon 03 Jul 2006 17:22 Post subject: |
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Ughyur from Siberia
Ainu from Japan
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Salsassin Suspended

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Posted: Tue 24 Apr 2007 13:14 Post subject: Re: Kennewick |
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| oevega wrote: | | fwsweet wrote: | | oevega wrote: | | I pick that in a TV program once. I will reserch it for you without problem. |
Please do. The reason I jumped on it (and, I suspect, Jaime also) is because I think that this is one of those urban legends that float around. The Ainu are not that different in looks from the other native inhabitants of eastern Siberia. They just happen to be politically under Japan. |
Hi,
They at least got a feature that is not common between East Asian people: They are very hairy. Although, as any minority, I am quite sure that thousand of years living together has erased many of the distinct physical features of the original Ainus.
I'll research and I come back.
Omar |
You never got back. |
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MisterLawyer Moderator

Joined: 02 May 2006 {Posts: 363 } Location: Īle-de-France
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Posted: Tue 24 Apr 2007 17:04 Post subject: |
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Interesting DNA study on Ainu.
J Hum Genet. 2004;49(4):187-93. Epub 2004 Mar 2. Links
Genetic origins of the Ainu inferred from combined DNA analyses of maternal and paternal lineages.Tajima A, Hayami M, Tokunaga K, Juji T, Matsuo M, Marzuki S, Omoto K, Horai S.
Department of Biosystems Science, The Graduate University for Advanced Studies (Sokendai), Hayama, Kanagawa 240-0193, Japan.
The Ainu, a minority ethnic group from the northernmost island of Japan, was investigated for DNA polymorphisms both from maternal (mitochondrial DNA) and paternal (Y chromosome) lineages extensively. Other Asian populations inhabiting North, East, and Southeast Asia were also examined for detailed phylogeographic analyses at the mtDNA sequence type as well as Y-haplogroup levels. The maternal and paternal gene pools of the Ainu contained 25 mtDNA sequence types and three Y-haplogroups, respectively. Eleven of the 25 mtDNA sequence types were unique to the Ainu and accounted for over 50% of the population, whereas 14 were widely distributed among other Asian populations. Of the 14 shared types, the most frequently shared type was found in common among the Ainu, Nivkhi in northern Sakhalin, and Koryaks in the Kamchatka Peninsula. Moreover, analysis of genetic distances calculated from the mtDNA data revealed that the Ainu seemed to be related to both the Nivkhi and other Japanese populations (such as mainland Japanese and Okinawans) at the population level. On the paternal side, the vast majority (87.5%) of the Ainu exhibited the Asian-specific YAP+ lineages (Y-haplogroups D-M55* and D-M125), which were distributed only in the Japanese Archipelago in this analysis. On the other hand, the Ainu exhibited no other Y-haplogroups (C-M8, O-M175*, and O-M122*) common in mainland Japanese and Okinawans. It is noteworthy that the rest of the Ainu gene pool was occupied by the paternal lineage (Y-haplogroup C-M217*) from North Asia including Sakhalin. Thus, the present findings suggest that the Ainu retain a certain degree of their own genetic uniqueness, while having higher genetic affinities with other regional populations in Japan and the Nivkhi among Asian populations.
PMID: 14997363 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
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William Moderator

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Posted: Wed 25 Apr 2007 16:33 Post subject: |
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| A program I saw a few years back (can't recall the name or where it was aired) mentioned briefly that the Ainu had no connection to Europe, despite the fact that some look somewhat "Eurasian" (and a few even look quite European). As Frank said, such "Eurasian" features are not uncommon in Siberian folks. The narrator of the show said that scientists believe the Ainu are indeed related to the early inhabitants of the Japanese archipelago, called the Jomons. The Yayoi Japanese entered the island later and partially absorbed and partially pushed north the remaining Jomon, who became the Ainu. Many modern Ainu have significant Japanese admixture. |
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Salsassin Suspended

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Posted: Wed 20 Jun 2007 04:47 Post subject: |
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The lack of dolychocephalism and prognathism while still showing the classic Olmec thick lips and wide nose speak for themselves. |
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Garciaparra Experienced User

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| Whats prognathism ? Give me an example. |
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punjabtrini Mentor

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Posted: Tue 19 Feb 2008 18:05 Post subject: |
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Great job Salsassin,
An unknown colleague brought up the concept of 'parallel mutation' via a vis parallel evolution' and this seems to be at work here, whether as separate steps or a single episodic combination! |
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