[/b]blah, blah, blah. Any person who has the nerve to disagree with Black American reparations should also be MORE THAN WILLING to bitch/complain/get angry at the Japanese and Native American one! This shows nothing but an "unofficial" racism"[/b]
Far more AA's have been discriminated against in the last 50 over even 100 years than Japnese and Native Americans COMBINED
Without proud desendents like me, these people's memory, legacies, and the truth would be up in smoke by now!
Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 1763 } Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posted: Tue 14 Dec 2004 14:46 Post subject:
girlfromthenc wrote:
What sense is your argurment when you say "Japanese" DESERVE reparations because it was in "your life time" when my damn father "which is in your lifetime" was denied access to certain waterfountains??? Do the Japanesse take racism harder than blacks or something? When Black churches, homes and schools were burned down DURING THE 1950'S AND 1960'S CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT and people were lynched (as well as terrorized) do you not count that as a "lost" or "lose in property"? Does history teach you that this was in your lifetime or my father's- WHO IS VERY MUCH ALIVE, -lifetime? Do you know about the Black American civil rights' movement and the racism the people involved in it face?? FYI: Coretta Scott King is still alive and so is Malcolm X's wife.................this is "in your lifetime". No damn Japanese deserves more than these people!!!!
FYI: Betty Shabazz passed away some years back as a result of a fire that was started by her grandson in Yonkers, NY.
girlfromthenc wrote:
Anyway, I'm not expecting an honest answer. What I do expect are EXCUSES
You must have edited your post because this was different from when I last quoted you. You have got nothing but honest answers from me. I have even pointed out where I agree with you, how's that for honesty?? It is your side that produces an abundence of EXCUSES as oppossed to looking at the real truth. When you start looking at the facts, then you will start to see tangible solutions and results.
Posted: Tue 14 Dec 2004 15:26 Post subject: This seems to be winding down.
It looks to me like both of you are running out of new things to say on the topic of Kwanzaa, its: legitimacy, popularity, and desirability.
The conversation looked like it was going to take an interesting turn a couple of posts back. It was about reparations. Girlfromthenc defended reparations for slavery. Dean suggested that slavery was too long ago to be politically acceptable as justifying reparations. Girlfromthenc then replied that Jim Crow was not all that long ago.
Of course, Jim Crow and slavery were as far apart in time as we are from Pearl Harbor. But there is an interesting point there. Given that reparations for slavery are genetically unworkable. (The Americans with the strongest concentration of antebellum slaveowner ancestry are today's African-Americans. So fairness and justice would require them to take money out of their slaveowning heritage pockets and put it into their slave heritage pockets while the rest of us -- descendants of postbellum immigrants -- stand around and watch.)
But reparations for Jim Crow are not genetically unworkable. Politically, they might even be more acceptable. They would pass Dean's test of recency (since many victims are still alive). There is even a precedent in Florida's payment of reparations for the Rosewood incident of January 1923.
I would be interested in hearing the pros and cons of reparations for Jim Crow. If anyone wants to pursue it, perhaps we could open a new topic (in this same forum) titled "Jim Crow Reparations."
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It looks to me like both of you are running out of new things to say on the topic of Kwanzaa, its: legitimacy, popularity, and desirability.