Posted: Mon 17 Sep 2007 22:48 Post subject: It's up to you! :-)
kalima wrote:
Says a minimum of 25% black. Not sure how to quantify that. My mom identified black but is phenotypically white. Her whole family is the same way, identifies black but look white or maybe 'mixed'.
Hi, kalima! Anyone can sign up for and post at mulatto.org. Of course, when it comes to percentages and phenotypes and self-identification, all of that varies from person to person. Regardless of how you and your mom look or identify, you are welcome to post at mulatto.org.
Posted: Tue 18 Sep 2007 13:37 Post subject: Re: Are you talking to me?
OTHER wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
LOL. You still banning members from your debate forums that don't tow your ideological line?
Sal,
I think you probably know that I, personally, have never banned anyone from the debate board. In fact, since I've been a moderator NO ONE has been banned from the debate board.
If you're referring to your situation over there, then I think you must know that I lifted your one-week, legitimate suspension (which had NOTHING to do with ideology) precisely one week after you were suspended. And, quite frankly, I was disappointed when you did not resume posting.
OTHER
Don't mind Sal. He just likes stirring up trouble.
Posted: Tue 18 Sep 2007 14:31 Post subject: Re: Are you talking to me?
OTHER wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
LOL. You still banning members from your debate forums that don't tow your ideological line?
Sal,
I think you probably know that I, personally, have never banned anyone from the debate board. In fact, since I've been a moderator NO ONE has been banned from the debate board.
If you're referring to your situation over there, then I think you must know that I lifted your one-week, legitimate suspension (which had NOTHING to do with ideology) precisely one week after you were suspended. And, quite frankly, I was disappointed when you did not resume posting.
OTHER
Quite Frankly you should figure out what your fellow moderators are doing then, because last I checked I cannot reply to PM's, nor post. That was a bunch of weeks after my supposed 1 week suspension occurred.
Posted: Wed 19 Sep 2007 03:14 Post subject: Re: Are you talking to me?
Salsassin wrote:
OTHER wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
LOL. You still banning members from your debate forums that don't tow your ideological line?
Sal,
I think you probably know that I, personally, have never banned anyone from the debate board. In fact, since I've been a moderator NO ONE has been banned from the debate board.
If you're referring to your situation over there, then I think you must know that I lifted your one-week, legitimate suspension (which had NOTHING to do with ideology) precisely one week after you were suspended. And, quite frankly, I was disappointed when you did not resume posting.
OTHER
Quite Frankly you should figure out what your fellow moderators are doing then, because last I checked I cannot reply to PM's, nor post. That was a bunch of weeks after my supposed 1 week suspension occurred.
Well, then I probably did something wrong, since it was my first (and only) suspension and lifting of suspension. I'll look into it and I guarantee that you will be able to resume all regular member activity within the next 24 hours. I am really sorry that you thought you were banned. I think you know that I am sincere about this.
Salsassin said: Supposedly I was suspended for a week, then I got a PM saying I could post. Next thing I know I still can't post nor can I reply to PMs.
MP said: I hope things work out for you, meaning hope that the problem that kept you from logging in and using your PM and Posting have been corrected.
Posted: Wed 19 Sep 2007 14:04 Post subject: Please try again
Salsassin,
One of the other moderators looked into it and it looks like there may have been two steps to restoring your access, but I was only aware of one step. We are hoping that the problem has been solved now. Please, if you are willing to do so, log in and either try to post or send a PM or both. Thanks. I hope it works.
Posted: Wed 19 Sep 2007 14:31 Post subject: Re: Please try again
OTHER wrote:
Salsassin,
One of the other moderators looked into it and it looks like there may have been two steps to restoring your access, but I was only aware of one step. We are hoping that the problem has been solved now. Please, if you are willing to do so, log in and either try to post or send a PM or both. Thanks. I hope it works.
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Posted: Wed 19 Sep 2007 22:44 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
Says a minimum of 25% black. Not sure how to quantify that. My mom identified black but is phenotypically white. Her whole family is the same way, identifies black but look white or maybe 'mixed'.
Hi, kalima! Anyone can sign up for and post at mulatto.org. Of course, when it comes to percentages and phenotypes and self-identification, all of that varies from person to person. Regardless of how you and your mom look or identify, you are welcome to post at mulatto.org.
Well, that's good to hear, but I feel hesitant to join. Every 'mulatto' group I have joined in the past treated me as a persona non grata when they discovered I identified white (my mother was a 'passer' and I found out I had AA ancestry at age 30).
Posted: Thu 20 Sep 2007 00:45 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
kalima wrote:
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
Says a minimum of 25% black. Not sure how to quantify that. My mom identified black but is phenotypically white. Her whole family is the same way, identifies black but look white or maybe 'mixed'.
Hi, kalima! Anyone can sign up for and post at mulatto.org. Of course, when it comes to percentages and phenotypes and self-identification, all of that varies from person to person. Regardless of how you and your mom look or identify, you are welcome to post at mulatto.org.
Well, that's good to hear, but I feel hesitant to join. Every 'mulatto' group I have joined in the past treated me as a persona non grata when they discovered I identified white (my mother was a 'passer' and I found out I had AA ancestry at age 30).
I can understand your hesitation, kalima, but, believe it or not, there are black identified mulattos, mulatto identified mulattos, and white identified mulattos who have posted to mulatto.org. In addition, there are posters who are not mixed. Some have kids who are mixed, while others have no link to mulattos whatsoever.
It's funny how most people will accept a mixed person identifying as black, but the blondest-haired, bluest-eyed mixed person better not dare utter the words, "I'm white" out of their mouths. I understand historically why that is and I understand that sometimes that "I'm white" comes from a place of fear, shame, self-hatred, etc. However, I have come to understand over time that sometimes that "I'm white" came from a desire to outgrow racial constraints and sometimes it comes from logic. What I mean is, I'm quite sure my blonde/straight haired, blue eyed niece will reveal to her peers at some points in her life that her mother is part black but, realistically, will probably identify as white. If for no other reason then to avoid having to EXPLAIN and CONVINCE and what not, because she REALLY looks white.
Rather than joining, perhaps you might benefit from reading through the threads, which you can do without being a member. Personally, I have enjoyed learning about the differences and similarities in the greater mulatto community.
Posted: Thu 20 Sep 2007 04:04 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
Says a minimum of 25% black. Not sure how to quantify that. My mom identified black but is phenotypically white. Her whole family is the same way, identifies black but look white or maybe 'mixed'.
Hi, kalima! Anyone can sign up for and post at mulatto.org. Of course, when it comes to percentages and phenotypes and self-identification, all of that varies from person to person. Regardless of how you and your mom look or identify, you are welcome to post at mulatto.org.
Well, that's good to hear, but I feel hesitant to join. Every 'mulatto' group I have joined in the past treated me as a persona non grata when they discovered I identified white (my mother was a 'passer' and I found out I had AA ancestry at age 30).
I can understand your hesitation, kalima, but, believe it or not, there are black identified mulattos, mulatto identified mulattos, and white identified mulattos who have posted to mulatto.org. In addition, there are posters who are not mixed. Some have kids who are mixed, while others have no link to mulattos whatsoever.
It's funny how most people will accept a mixed person identifying as black, but the blondest-haired, bluest-eyed mixed person better not dare utter the words, "I'm white" out of their mouths. I understand historically why that is and I understand that sometimes that "I'm white" comes from a place of fear, shame, self-hatred, etc. However, I have come to understand over time that sometimes that "I'm white" came from a desire to outgrow racial constraints and sometimes it comes from logic. What I mean is, I'm quite sure my blonde/straight haired, blue eyed niece will reveal to her peers at some points in her life that her mother is part black but, realistically, will probably identify as white. If for no other reason then to avoid having to EXPLAIN and CONVINCE and what not, because she REALLY looks white.
Rather than joining, perhaps you might benefit from reading through the threads, which you can do without being a member. Personally, I have enjoyed learning about the differences and similarities in the greater mulatto community.
I've taken a lot of abuse over the years for trying to point out the obvious. I would also point out that reducing "black blood" in white people to the level of American Indian "blood" would take away a lot of the stigma against African ancestry. When an American hears that someone who looks "white" is REALLY "black" ("The Human Stain," for example), isn't he getting the message that there must be something terribly wrong (read "inferior") about "black" genes?
Also, isn't it a contradiction to lecture a Euro phenotype Anglo or Creole child that he should be "proud" of being "black" while at the same time cautioning him to not mention the obvious "black" ancestry in Hispanics and Arabs lest they be "insulted"?
Posted: Thu 20 Sep 2007 08:33 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
Quote:
Powel wrote: I've taken a lot of abuse over the years for trying to point out the obvious. I would also point out that reducing "black blood" in white people to the level of American Indian "blood" would take away a lot of the stigma against African ancestry. When an American hears that someone who looks "white" is REALLY "black" ("The Human Stain," for example), isn't he getting the message that there must be something terribly wrong (read "inferior") about "black" genes?
Also, isn't it a contradiction to lecture a Euro phenotype Anglo or Creole child that he should be "proud" of being "black" while at the same time cautioning him to not mention the obvious "black" ancestry in Hispanics and Arabs lest they be "insulted"?
Well said Powell!!
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Posted: Thu 20 Sep 2007 10:55 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
kalima wrote:
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
Says a minimum of 25% black. Not sure how to quantify that. My mom identified black but is phenotypically white. Her whole family is the same way, identifies black but look white or maybe 'mixed'.
Hi, kalima! Anyone can sign up for and post at mulatto.org. Of course, when it comes to percentages and phenotypes and self-identification, all of that varies from person to person. Regardless of how you and your mom look or identify, you are welcome to post at mulatto.org.
Well, that's good to hear, but I feel hesitant to join. Every 'mulatto' group I have joined in the past treated me as a persona non grata when they discovered I identified white (my mother was a 'passer' and I found out I had AA ancestry at age 30).
oooo
@ Kalima,
Hi Kalima,
Mulattoprince said: I will tell you the truth and be honest with you about the free speech and debate forum at mulatto.org.
The positive resource message board at mulatto.org is a lot more easy to go to, and not encounter black zealots, and mulattoes who get angry because you identify white. But the debate and free speech message board is totally different. At that board you have black zealots, and certain mulattoes who semi black identified -- but still claim a mulatto identity too, and will criticize and attack you if you give reasons about why you identify white and not black. The black zealots at that forum are not policed like they are over here and this ODR forum. I am just being honest, and some blacks when they get angry at a mulatto over at that board they will say white folks will never accept your “nigger ass” they will always view you as a “nigger.” Then you have certain mulattoes who get a little ashamed because they feel that mulattoes who don't like the ODR -- criticize blacks for pushing the ODR and supporting it more than whites support it. So what these mulattoes who want to get in good with blacks do is this, they turn around and say -- I can't believe some of the anti black rhetoric I hear coming form mulattoes. Therefore, trying to make themselves out to be the good mulattoes and make people like you (Kalima) and me out to be the big bad racist mixed race people (mulattoes). This is some pathetic pandering that goes on there (debate and free speech board). The forum is a good forum for free for all flame wars, and debates and that is good, but at the same time it is not for everyone. Moderators (mulattos moderators) also, some can sympathize with black zealots and another moderator like The mulatto Kid sympathize with mulattoes.
I brought the board back from being slow in traffic meaning when I started posting constantly, all types of people started joining and posting. When I stopped posting frequently, the board went back into slow traffic, and hardly no one post consistently now. Hopefully this will change. Over all it is a good debate and free speech if you are looking for a board where you can speak freely. I like that about that board.
Posted: Thu 20 Sep 2007 11:02 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
[quote="Powell"]
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
Says a minimum of 25% black. Not sure how to quantify that. My mom identified black but is phenotypically white. Her whole family is the same way, identifies black but look white or maybe 'mixed'.
Hi, kalima! Anyone can sign up for and post at mulatto.org. Of course, when it comes to percentages and phenotypes and self-identification, all of that varies from person to person. Regardless of how you and your mom look or identify, you are welcome to post at mulatto.org.
Well, that's good to hear, but I feel hesitant to join. Every 'mulatto' group I have joined in the past treated me as a persona non grata when they discovered I identified white (my mother was a 'passer' and I found out I had AA ancestry at age 30).
"a against African ancestry. When an American hears that someone who looks "white" is REALLY "black" ("The Human Stain," for example), isn't he getting the message that there must be something terribly wrong (read "inferior") about "black" genes?
Also, isn't it a contradiction to lecture a Euro phenotype Anglo or Creole child that he should be "proud" of being "black" while at the same time cautioning him to not mention the obvious "black" ancestry in Hispanics and Arabs lest they be "insulted"?
You made some very good points and, yes, I do think that this mindset perpetuates the "a dab'll do ya" mindset behind the one drop rule.
One of the most disheartening things that ever happened to me, in regard to being mixed, is when two of my black friends tried to REASON with me in order to CONVINCE me that I was black. There was no animosity in the conversation and it ended well, but it pained me because I know that the notion of mulattos really being black does not originate from a place that says "black is beautiful, black is strong" but rather from a place that says "black is disgusting, you have been contaminated".
In regard to black people who subscribe to the notion that if one of your great-great-great grandparents was black, then you're black - even if they don't realize the ORIGINS of this concept, they are still furthering the idea of black being something that taints. I am getting nauseated just thinking about it.
This mindset does nothing to further OUR people, and by OUR I mean the greater colored community, if you will.
Posted: Thu 20 Sep 2007 11:16 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
kalima wrote:
OTHER wrote:
kalima wrote:
Says a minimum of 25% black. Not sure how to quantify that. My mom identified black but is phenotypically white. Her whole family is the same way, identifies black but look white or maybe 'mixed'.
Hi, kalima! Anyone can sign up for and post at mulatto.org. Of course, when it comes to percentages and phenotypes and self-identification, all of that varies from person to person. Regardless of how you and your mom look or identify, you are welcome to post at mulatto.org.
Well, that's good to hear, but I feel hesitant to join. Every 'mulatto' group I have joined in the past treated me as a persona non grata when they discovered I identified white (my mother was a 'passer' and I found out I had AA ancestry at age 30).
oooo
@ Kalima,
Hi Kalima,
Mulattoprince said: I will tell you the truth and be honest with you about the free speech and debate forum at mulatto.org.
The positive resource message board at mulatto.org is a lot more easy to go to, and not encounter black zealots, and mulattoes who get angry because you identify white. But the debate and free speech message board is totally different. At that board you have black zealots, and certain mulattoes who semi black identified -- but still claim a mulatto identity too, and will criticize and attack you if you give reasons about why you identify white and not black. The black zealots at that forum are not policed like they are over here and this ODR forum. I am just being honest, and some blacks when they get angry at a mulatto over at that board they will say white folks will never accept your “nigger ass” they will always view you as a “nigger.” Then you have certain mulattoes who get a little ashamed because they feel that mulattoes who don't like the ODR -- criticize blacks for pushing the ODR and supporting it more than whites support it. So what these mulattoes who want to get in good with blacks do is this, they turn around and say -- I can't believe some of the anti black rhetoric I hear coming form mulattoes. Therefore, trying to make themselves out to be the good mulattoes and make people like you (Kalima) and me out to be the big bad racist mixed race people (mulattoes). This is some pathetic pandering that goes on there (debate and free speech board). The forum is a good forum for free for all flame wars, and debates and that is good, but at the same time it is not for everyone. Moderators (mulattos moderators) also, some can sympathize with black zealots and another moderator like The mulatto Kid sympathize with mulattoes.
I brought the board back from being slow in traffic meaning when I started posting constantly, all types of people started joining and posting. When I stopped posting frequently, the board went back into slow traffic, and hardly no one post consistently now. Hopefully this will change. Over all it is a good debate and free speech if you are looking for a board where you can speak freely. I like that about that board.
Go visit both and get a feel of them. pp
While I will agree with Prince that the two message boards at mulatto.org are completely different, I mean their names say it all, I must say that I do not share his view of the Debate and Free Speech Board. Some of what he said is true, I mean the board was created specifically for debate and free speech, but in the time I've been there (granted, only about 5 months) there has been exactly ONE "black zealot" who felt it was her mission to blast any mulatto who said anything disparaging against blacks. In fact, for some odd reason, she felt the need to put down mulattos who actually had NOT said anything against blacks, as well. Also, she has been gone for some time now. Prince, are there other "black zealots" that have come and gone that I am just not recalling?
I also agree that some mulattos might challenge your white identity on the debate board, but some might challenge those who ID as black, too. However, I cannot recall ever seeing this actually happen and, if they attack you, rather than simply speak freely or debate with you, their actions will not be tolerated by the moderators.
One point in which I disagree with mulattoprince is that some mulattos on there pander to blacks. Ummm, there aren't even that many black people ON mulatto.org, so who are we pandering to? I'm going to say "we" because I suspect (I could be wrong) that Prince is including me in that group. He said MODERATORS and, well, there were only three up until recently. There are more than three moderators now and, for the record, TheMulattoKid is no longer a moderator on the Debate and Free Speech Message Board at mulatto.org. I think that mulattoprince's perception is his own, so I am not going to address that. We all see things from our own point of view. How else can we see things, you know? I'm just going to share that my perception is that pandering to blacks is not the norm over there, but that there are plenty of mulattos over there who fully embrace their black side and will stick up for blacks when unsubstantiated negative claims are made against them.
All in all, my stand is to each his own. If you read the guidelines on the debate board at mulatto.org, you will see that personal attacks are not acceptable. People have been warned, suspended, and banned for not following the rules, and that rule in particular.
Posted: Thu 20 Sep 2007 15:19 Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-)
OTHER wrote:
It's funny how most people will accept a mixed person identifying as black, but the blondest-haired, bluest-eyed mixed person better not dare utter the words, "I'm white" out of their mouths.
Not necessarily. Plenty of Black people have a problem with me even identifying as Mixed. I go against their stereotypes. Now if I was someone famous, then maybe the claim would be applicable. I don't Think Blacks really focus on claiming White phenotype mixed people unless their a political or social reason for it. Like if the person is known to be a strong part of the community. It is more the visibly mixed people that suffer from automatic one droppism.
Quote:
I understand historically why that is and I understand that sometimes that "I'm white" comes from a place of fear, shame, self-hatred, etc. However, I have come to understand over time that sometimes that "I'm white" came from a desire to outgrow racial constraints and sometimes it comes from logic. What I mean is, I'm quite sure my blonde/straight haired, blue eyed niece will reveal to her peers at some points in her life that her mother is part black but, realistically, will probably identify as white. If for no other reason then to avoid having to EXPLAIN and CONVINCE and what not, because she REALLY looks white.
Not necessarily either. Most times children will identify with what they are raised in if. If your niece was raised mostly around Black cousins, she may have identified as Mixed, or even Black. If she is raised more around the White side of the family she might identify as Mixed or White. While convenience may be a good reason to avoid the issue, strong sense of identity and identification can lead a person with a incongruous phenotype to fight that much harder to be recognized as a member of the group they were raised in no matter what people think they look like or sometimes even more fervently because of what people think they should identify as.
If I had been raised by my mom I would have probably identified as White. Raised by my dad, I would feel false identifying as White. It was never my reality. Kalima was raised White, so it makes sense for her to identify as such.
There have been others who have been black zealots there too some worst than others. All I am doing is just informing Kalima, about what could happen so she will be aware nothing more. Everthing I have said is based upon experience.
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