Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 13:31 Post subject: Concern
I hope we can have a mature and truthful conversation...I will be totally honest, there is one "race" I have contiuosly advised, esp African Americans to be very thoughtful of producing childrne with...it's asians.
It's not a problem with baby girls...it's boys...I'll start with a story...I was very good friends with an asain man in his 40's. He'd never had children and we used to date. His genitals were very small, exactly the size of my pinky finger. He ended up marrying a hatian women and they had two sons. Upon the birth of the second son, I brought them the Premium Huggies diapers and wipes...about a month supply.
So I'm holding the youngest baby who was about week old...he had a BM on him so I offered to change his diaper...the Haitian wife and grandmother froze...I took the babies diaper off and although his scrotum looked normal...his penis was no bigger than a Tic-Tac (those small mints)...it had no form and was the color of the flesh in your mouth.
I acted like I saw nothing unusual but I was shook. Later in life I encountered another child who was asian and male who was completely flat above the scrotum and had a small indentation like a navel where the penis would be.
This is something I have never seen on any other child or man of any other race...I think this is something the asian community does not talk about but culturally I don't think most Americans of any race can deal with penis abnormalities well.
I had none of my son's circumcized at birth and although one is perfectedly fine, the other three gave me heck about it, the appointments to have it done as adults were horrific...two out of three sons had surgery and it was an extremely uncomfortable situation for me, my sons and one girlfr who talked frankly about it...now imagine dealing with even more extreme situations...
Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 14:31 Post subject: Re: Concern
Monica wrote:
I hope we can have a mature and truthful conversation...I will be totally honest, there is one "race" I have contiuosly advised, esp African Americans to be very thoughtful of producing childrne with...it's asians.
It's not a problem with baby girls...it's boys...I'll start with a story...I was very good friends with an asain man in his 40's. He'd never had children and we used to date. His genitals were very small, exactly the size of my pinky finger. He ended up marrying a hatian women and they had two sons. Upon the birth of the second son, I brought them the Premium Huggies diapers and wipes...about a month supply.
So I'm holding the youngest baby who was about week old...he had a BM on him so I offered to change his diaper...the Haitian wife and grandmother froze...I took the babies diaper off and although his scrotum looked normal...his penis was no bigger than a Tic-Tac (those small mints)...it had no form and was the color of the flesh in your mouth.
I acted like I saw nothing unusual but I was shook. Later in life I encountered another child who was asian and male who was completely flat above the scrotum and had a small indentation like a navel where the penis would be.
This is something I have never seen on any other child or man of any other race...I think this is something the asian community does not talk about but culturally I don't think most Americans of any race can deal with penis abnormalities well.
I had none of my son's circumcized at birth and although one is perfectedly fine, the other three gave me heck about it, the appointments to have it done as adults were horrific...two out of three sons had surgery and it was an extremely uncomfortable situation for me, my sons and one girlfr who talked frankly about it...now imagine dealing with even more extreme situations...
This is interesting but your sample size is minisule (no pun intended, no REALLY!). Of all of the MILLIONS of (presumably Far East) Asian men, I hardly believe that even most of them are affected by what you're describing. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence that small (pinky sized) penis size is common among Asians?
Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 19:51 Post subject: Concern
Mixedmom said...This is interesting but your sample size is minisule (no pun intended, no REALLY!). Of all of the MILLIONS of (presumably Far East) Asian men, I hardly believe that even most of them are affected by what you're describing. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence that small (pinky sized) penis size is common among Asians?
I tried researching after I saw my lil "god-baby"...there can be alot of abnormalities of the penis...online...there seems to be a concensus that the asian penis is "smaller"...but there seems to be this overwhelming embarrassment and immaturity when dealing with this issue.
Because I had once dated the guy, I was REALLY upset for this baby...I would need counseling in order to deal with a boy with a pretty much non existant penis. I am not talking about a small penis...this child's penis was deformed. The other child may have a normal penis but it is totally encased in his groin area.
I don't think asian men will ever come clean and say..."a high percentage of us have abnormal (not looking like an American penis) penises"...but as a mom (who would pretty much "die" if this were my baby or grandbaby)...I'm just telling what I've seen...I've changed 7 years worth of diapers in daycare...and lived the average sexual life of an American female of 43 years and I have never seen abnormalities this severe.
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Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 19:59 Post subject:
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I don't think asian men will ever come clean and say..."a high percentage of us have abnormal (not looking like an American penis) penises"...but as a mom (who would pretty much "die" if this were my baby or grandbaby)...I'm just telling what I've seen...I've changed 7 years worth of diapers in daycare...and lived the average sexual life of an American female of 43 years and I have never seen abnormalities this severe.
They may not come clean but this is the closest they will ever come to letting it all hang out, so to speak (and yes, all pun intended!). Here is the sad news that my wife sent me several months ago. You be the judge!
Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 20:33 Post subject: Prepare
Sankofa said...They may not come clean but this is the closest they will ever come to letting it all hang out, so to speak (and yes, all pun intended!). Here is the sad news that my wife sent me several months ago. You be the judge!
I read this article...I think that men do a dis-service when they write these articles. People need information since we are such a diverse population in the US. All that "size don't matter" crap...what matters if you are a mixed race child with a penis abnormality then your parents need information to help you deal in our American society.
One of my children was abed wetter...I didn't want to deprive him of camp experiences...and boarding school...we trid adult diapers at night, taking responsibility for dressing for bed so other kids would not notice...how to do you laundry promptly...these issues can make or break a kid I think a recent Essence article was about a woman with a colostomy bag...I see this "small" penis issue the same way...parents shouldn't be shocked (meaning mates of asians need to talk about this issue)...and children need to know how to protect their privacy.
Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 20:36 Post subject: Re: Concern
Monica wrote:
Mixedmom said...This is interesting but your sample size is minisule (no pun intended, no REALLY!). Of all of the MILLIONS of (presumably Far East) Asian men, I hardly believe that even most of them are affected by what you're describing. Do you have any peer reviewed evidence that small (pinky sized) penis size is common among Asians?
I tried researching after I saw my lil "god-baby"...there can be alot of abnormalities of the penis...online...there seems to be a concensus that the asian penis is "smaller"...but there seems to be this overwhelming embarrassment and immaturity when dealing with this issue.
Because I had once dated the guy, I was REALLY upset for this baby...I would need counseling in order to deal with a boy with a pretty much non existant penis. I am not talking about a small penis...this child's penis was deformed. The other child may have a normal penis but it is totally encased in his groin area.
I don't think asian men will ever come clean and say..."a high percentage of us have abnormal (not looking like an American penis) penises"...but as a mom (who would pretty much "die" if this were my baby or grandbaby)...I'm just telling what I've seen...I've changed 7 years worth of diapers in daycare...and lived the average sexual life of an American female of 43 years and I have never seen abnormalities this severe.
What is the source of this consensus? If this infomation is true, it wouldn't be too difficult to validate. I've NEVER seen this information validated from any scientific sources. I'm not saying that there aren't any males with abnormalities but I have yet to see anything outside of anecdotal stories at best and ignorant jokes at worst that validates this information. Anecodotal accounts don't provide sound evidence that this is a common problem within the hundreds of millions of Far East Asian men. This would not stop me from procreating with an Asian man if I happened to have met and married to a man of Far East Asian descent.
Posted: Wed 17 Oct 2007 20:40 Post subject: Read the article
Sankofa posted a good article...and a sanitized search on "asian penis" yeilds alot of info...my only point is that potential parents deserve information.
I'm leary of this information about Asians in the same way that I would be if someone were to advise "white" people to think twice before marrying a "black" person because the children would be "less intelligent" due to the "evidence" that's out there that says that "blacks" are less intelligent therefore, "white" parents need to seek information on how to deal with a less intelligent child.
Posted: Thu 18 Oct 2007 09:42 Post subject: Be Leary
I only posted this information so that someone in a mixed relationship who has a child with an abnormality might not feel so alone or isolated. I would hate to be African american, 22 years old and have a child with a penis abnormality and feel like I'm the only one in the world.
Alot of people are into "fronting"...putting forth this face that everything is lovely. I had a child with a learning disability and the best thing I did for him was enroll him in The Association of Retarded Citizens Daycare. My son graduated high school on time because I wasn't worried about "fronting". Right now I'm dealing with a handicapped child who desparately needs intervention and the parents keep wanting to wait and see if he "gets better".
Posted: Thu 18 Oct 2007 12:46 Post subject: Re: Read the article
Monica wrote:
Sankofa posted a good article...and a sanitized search on "asian penis" yeilds alot of info...my only point is that potential parents deserve information.
The only problem with Sankofa's article is that is deals with condom size in India. I believe you were talking about non-South Asians.
Asia is a large land mass and a diverse place. Just because the average penis size in India is too small (by a few centimeters) to fit into condoms made to American or European specifications doesn't mean that this is true of all of Asia, including South and West Asia. Further, Indians having a smaller average penis than Europeans and Americans isn't a penis abnormality, unless there's an internationally agreed upon normal penis size range and anything below that is considered an abnormality.
Also, the original post was about penis "abnormalities" you found in two children of mixed non-South Asian and African background. It is difficult to make broad judgements based on the small sample size as Mixedmon stated earlier. In my own experience, I know and I am related to people of mixed Chinese and African ancestry. I never had the opportunity to look at their "sausage and eggs" for any abnormalities or size deficiencies, but the two I'm related to and the five others I know do more than okay with the ladies. That's a sample size of seven.
Posted: Thu 18 Oct 2007 13:31 Post subject: Re: Read the article
G-Man wrote:
Monica wrote:
Sankofa posted a good article...and a sanitized search on "asian penis" yeilds alot of info...my only point is that potential parents deserve information.
The only problem with Sankofa's article is that is deals with condom size in India. I believe you were talking about non-South Asians.
Asia is a large land mass and a diverse place. Just because the average penis size in India is too small (by a few centimeters) to fit into condoms made to American or European specifications doesn't mean that this is true of all of Asia, including South and West Asia. Further, Indians having a smaller average penis than Europeans and Americans isn't a penis abnormality, unless there's an internationally agreed upon normal penis size range and anything below that is considered an abnormality.
Also, the original post was about penis "abnormalities" you found in two children of mixed non-South Asian and African background. It is difficult to make broad judgements based on the small sample size as Mixedmon stated earlier. In my own experience, I know and I am related to people of mixed Chinese and African ancestry. I never had the opportunity to look at their "sausage and eggs" for any abnormalities or size deficiencies, but the two I'm related to and the five others I know do more than okay with the ladies. That's a sample size of seven.
What is up with this "do alright with the ladies" or "it's how you work it"...these attitudes are the primary problem...raising a child takes a whole lot more than making sure they are popular with the ladies or the men...I'm talking about making sure a child is mentally prepared to deal with the world and how they feel about themselves and how they handle themselves.
To clarify the first child with the "tic-tac" had a father who was from India...the child with the navel penis is full indonisian.
I'm am not saying every asian man...but it's like dry nappy hair...I have it but only one out of 5 of my kids have it...my grandfather had fine silky hair but it did not pass to my mother. If I have a million grandkids...by my mouth, it will be known in my family how to deal with nappy hair...that also goes for nose bleeds (runs in my family)....
No wonder men have a problem talking about their penises...When I made freinds with this asian man he was one of about 8 men living in one apartment and kept as virtual slaves by the owner of a gas station in Trenton NJ. (which debunks this myth of the hardworking successful asian, heck if I could bring people over in slavery I'd be rich too) One day after asking me some "black history" questions...a group of about 5 hovered around me and asked if black men had big "donkey" d-word.
Having not yet started seeing this man on a sexual level I told him, no they have normal penises. I hung out alot with these guys because it was so interesting to actually meet modern day slaves. I took them to the supermarket...I rode with them to an asylum attorney...but these guys were all sexually unhealthy in my opinion. A couple were trying to have sex with some teens who lived in the building YOUNG TEENS. One married an American Black woman and had sex with her teen daughter.
They loved prostitutes. Perhaps this is an immigrant problem. My freind who was the oldest of the group and a very kind and decent guy, because of our freindship, the gas station owner wrote back to his town and told his father he had made freinds with a "dirty black girl".
Just because we were seeing each other does that somehow mean "he was doing alright with the ladies" or knew how to "work it". I knew we had no future BECAUSE his penis was small, he also attempted to become sexually aggressive and gosh darn it I'm a classic 6 ft tall black women, I smashed his behind good, pushing him into a wall and he got a nose bleed. And they all use this menthol stuff to masterbate with so if you see that crap in their bathroom DON"T TOUCH IT!,
He was a lovely guy with high morals, he was kind to my children. His wife is a hard worker. I'm am happy he finally had children. He has a lovely home in New Jersey. He's close to 50 years old, works as a long distance truck driver, to support an upper middle class life style while ducking immigration. I'm a ghetto girl...happy in the hood...and I hate all the get-togethers they seem required to attend.
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Posted: Thu 18 Oct 2007 14:11 Post subject:
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The only problem with Sankofa's article is that is deals with condom size in India. I believe you were talking about non-South Asians.
Asia is a large land mass and a diverse place. Just because the average penis size in India is too small (by a few centimeters) to fit into condoms made to American or European specifications doesn't mean that this is true of all of Asia, including South and West Asia. Further, Indians having a smaller average penis than Europeans and Americans isn't a penis abnormality, unless there's an internationally agreed upon normal penis size range and anything below that is considered an abnormality.
Also, the original post was about penis "abnormalities" you found in two children of mixed non-South Asian and African background. It is difficult to make broad judgements based on the small sample size as Mixedmon stated earlier. In my own experience, I know and I am related to people of mixed Chinese and African ancestry. I never had the opportunity to look at their "sausage and eggs" for any abnormalities or size deficiencies, but the two I'm related to and the five others I know do more than okay with the ladies. That's a sample size of seven.
The article I posted was reporting the findings of a two-year study that was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research. I will copy and paste some of the article below for all to see:
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.
It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India.
The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.
Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.
The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.
The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.
Doctor Chander Puri, a specialist in reproductive health at the Indian Council of Medical Research, told the BBC there was an obvious need in India for custom-made condoms, as most of those currently on sale are too large.
The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate.
And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation.
All of this is in the article and these were/are the findings of the Indian Council of Medical Research in India. It doesn't say anything about American and/or European standards... it states International standards. Big difference.
What I find both hilarious and disturbing is the defense of penis size (by some ODR members) as it relates to Asians men, but these same people support the findings of the alledged test-gap scores of "Blacks". Why do people catch feelings about one and not the other?
Anyways, I didn't conduct the study and neither did any other Western nation (America, Europe). It was conducted by Indians on Indians and that says a lot. Why would they lie and put their business out in the streets for everybody to see if it weren't true? I didn't believe it when my wife first tole me but after she sent me the link and I read it was from a study conducted by the Indian Council of Medical Research, I had to take it serious. Afterall, it was conducted on Indians by Indians.
I've always been told by women who have dated and had sex with Asian men, that their penises weren't very big'actually smaller than normal. That being said, that doesn't mean every single Asian man has a small "winky". It only means on average, Asian men aren't "holding" like many other men according to international standards in condoms. Must I remind people standard condoms are what most men use (no matter what "race"/ethnicity) so if these "regular" or standard condoms are too big for most/many Indian men, then what does that tell us??
It's not as if they were trying to use Magnums (extra-large condoms) and what not, these are condoms built according to international standards. What else needs to be said?
Posted: Thu 18 Oct 2007 14:45 Post subject: Re: Read the article
Monica wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Monica wrote:
Sankofa posted a good article...and a sanitized search on "asian penis" yeilds alot of info...my only point is that potential parents deserve information.
The only problem with Sankofa's article is that is deals with condom size in India. I believe you were talking about non-South Asians.
Asia is a large land mass and a diverse place. Just because the average penis size in India is too small (by a few centimeters) to fit into condoms made to American or European specifications doesn't mean that this is true of all of Asia, including South and West Asia. Further, Indians having a smaller average penis than Europeans and Americans isn't a penis abnormality, unless there's an internationally agreed upon normal penis size range and anything below that is considered an abnormality.
Also, the original post was about penis "abnormalities" you found in two children of mixed non-South Asian and African background. It is difficult to make broad judgements based on the small sample size as Mixedmon stated earlier. In my own experience, I know and I am related to people of mixed Chinese and African ancestry. I never had the opportunity to look at their "sausage and eggs" for any abnormalities or size deficiencies, but the two I'm related to and the five others I know do more than okay with the ladies. That's a sample size of seven.
What is up with this "do alright with the ladies" or "it's how you work it"...these attitudes are the primary problem...raising a child takes a whole lot more than making sure they are popular with the ladies or the men...I'm talking about making sure a child is mentally prepared to deal with the world and how they feel about themselves and how they handle themselves.
Your opening statement involved drawing the conclusion that people, especially African Americans (?) should be cautious of mating with Asians:
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I hope we can have a mature and truthful conversation...I will be totally honest, there is one "race" I have contiuosly advised, esp African Americans to be very thoughtful of producing childrne with...it's asians.
You concluded, based on a small sample, that the males of these unions have penis "abnormalities". This combined with the article Sankofa posted about the smaller average penis size of Indians (a sub-set of Asians) would lead one to conclude that the male children of such unions on average are more likely to have sexual performance problems because of penis abnormalities or small penis size.
I introduced anecdotes from my own experience (Afro/Asian mixes who don’t appear to have penis abnormalities) to refute anecdotes based on your own experience. Based on my experience I could confidently conclude that people, especially African Americans shouldn’t be cautious of mating with Asians (from any part of Asia). However neither you nor I have any evidence beyond are own experiences on which to draw these very broad conclusions. That was my point in bringing up the sexual performance of part-Asian people that I know and to whom I’m related.
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To clarify the first child with the "tic-tac" had a father who was from India...the child with the navel penis is full indonisian.
I see.
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Having not yet started seeing this man on a sexual level I told him, no they have normal penises. I hung out alot with these guys because it was so interesting to actually meet modern day slaves. I took them to the supermarket...I rode with them to an asylum attorney...but these guys were all sexually unhealthy in my opinion. A couple were trying to have sex with some teens who lived in the building YOUNG TEENS. One married an American Black woman and had sex with her teen daughter.
They loved prostitutes. Perhaps this is an immigrant problem. My freind who was the oldest of the group and a very kind and decent guy, because of our freindship, the gas station owner wrote back to his town and told his father he had made freinds with a "dirty black girl".
What does this have to do with the existence of penis abnormalities among mixed Asian/non-Asian males? Are you suggesting these Asian immigrants/indentured servants had penis abnormalities or issues about their penis size due to their unacceptable sexual behavior?
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Just because we were seeing each other does that somehow mean "he was doing alright with the ladies" or knew how to "work it".
And just because your experience with an Asian was less than satisfying doesn’t mean that the male children of Asian/non-Asian unions have a high incidence of penis abnormalities or are unable to sexually satisfy non-Asian women. .
Finally, could I get some clarification on what you mean by penis abnormality? Do you mean a small penis or one with an appearance that is less than normal or a combination of both?
Raising mentally healthy children who have physical challenges is a worthy topic that falls outside the discussion of US racialism or global racialism. Providing resources for parents and families to help them deal with abnormalities in their children is also an admirable cause.
Making unsubstantiated claims that procreating with Asian men should come with a warning label for the risk of making deformed children falls outside the scope of anything that is proven to be true or constructive. You're not allowed to make claims such as this on this website without peer reviewed scientific sources or published work from other professional peer reviewed sources. You have not provided any evidence to support the claim that Asian men make deformed children. Until you can provide the evidence that I'm asking for, you must stop making this claim.
The article I posted was reporting the findings of a two-year study that was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research. I will copy and paste some of the article below for all to see:
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.
It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India.
The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.
Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.
The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.
The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.
Doctor Chander Puri, a specialist in reproductive health at the Indian Council of Medical Research, told the BBC there was an obvious need in India for custom-made condoms, as most of those currently on sale are too large.
The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate.
And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation.
All of this is in the article and these were/are the findings of the Indian Council of Medical Research in India. It doesn't say anything about American and/or European standards... it states International standards. Big difference.
I don't refute the accuracy of the study. If you read my response, I wondered what this had to do with the rest of Asia and penis abnormalities Monica claimed, based on her limited experience, were common among the children of Asian/non-Asian ancestry.
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What I find both hilarious and disturbing is the defense of penis size (by some ODR members) as it relates to Asians men, but these same people support the findings of the alledged test-gap scores of "Blacks". Why do people catch feelings about one and not the other?
And you obviously need to read comments with a more discerning eye. The topic was originally about penis abnormalities among the male children of mixed Asian/non-Asian background; it was not a defense of the penis size of Asians (whatever that means). I personally have no knowledge of the average penis size on the continent of Asia, which includes people from China to Afghanistan. What I refuse to do is take the study you posted and conclude that ALL Asians, therefore, have an average penis size smaller than people outside of Asia. Also, this had nothing to do with the alleged high incidence of penis abnormalities among male children born to Asians and non-Asians to which Monica referred.
The test gap between American blacks and whites is real. There are dozens of studies supporting this gap. Most scholars black, white, purple, liberal, conservative, etc. acknowledge its existence. Where they diverge is with respect to the causes of the gap itself and way to narrow it.
Sadly, you interpret warranted skepticism that there is a higher than average incidence of penis abnormalities among the male children of Asian and non-Asian background based on one’s limited sample size with a defense of Asians (and their penis size). You juxtapose this with discussions about the very real test score gap between American blacks and whites (which you dismiss as a myth), which you interpret as an attack against blacks, despite the fact that many black educators and scholars discuss this very thing.
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Posted: Thu 18 Oct 2007 17:00 Post subject:
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I don't refute the accuracy of the study. If you read my response, I wondered what this had to do with the rest of Asia and penis abnormalities Monica claimed, based on her limited experience, were common among the children of Asian/non-Asian ancestry.
Monica stated that the men she was referring to were Indian/Indonesian, which the article I posted identifies with (Indian men). You made the assumption that the test was done according to American/European standards. I responded by posting some of the contents of the article, which were taken from the Indian Council of Medical Research, that states the tests were measured against international standards; debunking your assumptions about it being compared to American/European standards. That's it.
I, personally, didn't attribute those findings to "penis abnormalities" or whatnot. I only presented the article because Monica and mixedmom asked if there were any studies that substantiated the myth/claims that Asian men have smaller than average penises compared to normal/"regular" standards. The article suggests this and coorborates those claims/myths. It doesn't nor do I state this means all Asian men have abnormally small penises, and I even stated this in my posts. I don't look at penises other than my own and what I may inadvertantly see in the locker room at the gym every morning ( ), so I can only go by what I hear women/girls talk about and it hasn't been "pretty" from the many stories I've heard thus far.
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And you obviously need to read comments with a more discerning eye. The topic was originally about penis abnormalities among the male children of mixed Asian/non-Asian background; it was not a defense of the penis size of Asians (whatever that means).
Oh, I'm very astute when reading and replying to messages. I know what I read in these comments and this isn't the first time penis size and/or penis envy has reared it's ugly head (no pun intended) on ODR. I was commenting on how in the past and present, posters who support or believe in the test-gap scores as a cause of "Black" children's underachievement in education, find it hard to believe the "bed stories" from women, which was found to be true (60% of the average mean of men in India) in this study. The topic of the thread has drifted into penis size amongst Asian men and wether or not this phenom is common amongst Asian men. So I presented evidence of this phenom at least amongst Indian men (who are one sub-group of Asians) for some clarity. Monica was dating an Indian man, so the article/scientific study relates to her original question/comment and is not off-topic in context of the subsequent posts thereafter.
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What I refuse to do is take the study you posted and conclude that ALL Asians, therefore, have an average penis size smaller than people outside of Asia. Also, this had nothing to do with the alleged high incidence of penis abnormalities among male children born to Asians and non-Asians to which Monica referred.
I never said it reffered to all Asian men, G-Man. The article never suggested that either. Hell, Monica never suggested that either. She made reference to the men she has known of Asian descent (India and Indonesian men to be exact) and the offspring of the union of a Haitian woman and the Indian man in question. I didn't take what she said to be negative towards Asian men in general. I took what she said and asked to be genuine concern for male descendants of Asian men in mixed and/or non-mixed marraiges/relationships.
Let's "keep it real" here... everywhere on the planet, penis size matters! It does. To think it doesn't it is fooling yourself, not to mention, straight up lying. In every Western society it definitely matters. Every woman I've ever spoken to about penis size, it mattered to them. That doesn't mean they want a "donkey-sized" penis, but they definitely want something they can feel. That sentiment crosses racial/ethnic lines on every continent and I'm sure that's why Indian men hate it when their women get with men of other "races"/ethnicities too. Just an assumption.
I also remember the previous discussion and I believe the conclusion was that while the avarage asian penis was slightly smaller, the within group variation was exponentially greater than the difference between the group avarages.
Meaning that for every "race" or ethnicity, you will find some men with large penises and some with small.
I don't refute the accuracy of the study. If you read my response, I wondered what this had to do with the rest of Asia and penis abnormalities Monica claimed, based on her limited experience, were common among the children of Asian/non-Asian ancestry.
Monica stated that the men she was referring to were Indian/Indonesian, which the article I posted identifies with (Indian men). You made the assumption that the test was done according to American/European standards. I responded by posting some of the contents of the article, which were taken from the Indian Council of Medical Research, that states the tests were measured against international standards; debunking your assumptions about it being compared to American/European standards. That's it.
I, personally, didn't attribute those findings to "penis abnormalities" or whatnot. I only presented the article because Monica and mixedmom asked if there were any studies that substantiated the myth/claims that Asian men have smaller than average penises compared to normal/"regular" standards. The article suggests this and coorborates those claims/myths. It doesn't nor do I state this means all Asian men have abnormally small penises, and I even stated this in my posts. I don't look at penises other than my own and what I may inadvertantly see in the locker room at the gym every morning ( ), so I can only go by what I hear women/girls talk about and it hasn't been "pretty" from the many stories I've heard thus far.
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And you obviously need to read comments with a more discerning eye. The topic was originally about penis abnormalities among the male children of mixed Asian/non-Asian background; it was not a defense of the penis size of Asians (whatever that means).
Oh, I'm very astute when reading and replying to messages. I know what I read in these comments and this isn't the first time penis size and/or penis envy has reared it's ugly head (no pun intended) on ODR. I was commenting on how in the past and present, posters who support or believe in the test-gap scores as a cause of "Black" children's underachievement in education, find it hard to believe the "bed stories" from women, which was found to be true (60% of the average mean of men in India) in this study. The topic of the thread has drifted into penis size amongst Asian men and wether or not this phenom is common amongst Asian men. So I presented evidence of this phenom at least amongst Indian men (who are one sub-group of Asians) for some clarity. Monica was dating an Indian man, so the article/scientific study relates to her original question/comment and is not off-topic in context of the subsequent posts thereafter.
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What I refuse to do is take the study you posted and conclude that ALL Asians, therefore, have an average penis size smaller than people outside of Asia. Also, this had nothing to do with the alleged high incidence of penis abnormalities among male children born to Asians and non-Asians to which Monica referred.
I never said it reffered to all Asian men, G-Man. The article never suggested that either. Hell, Monica never suggested that either. She made reference to the men she has known of Asian descent (India and Indonesian men to be exact) and the offspring of the union of a Haitian woman and the Indian man in question. I didn't take what she said to be negative towards Asian men in general. I took what she said and asked to be genuine concern for male descendants of Asian men in mixed and/or non-mixed marraiges/relationships.
Let's "keep it real" here... everywhere on the planet, penis size matters! It does. To think it doesn't it is fooling yourself, not to mention, straight up lying. In every Western society it definitely matters. Every woman I've ever spoken to about penis size, it mattered to them. That doesn't mean they want a "donkey-sized" penis, but they definitely want something they can feel. That sentiment crosses racial/ethnic lines on every continent and I'm sure that's why Indian men hate it when their women get with men of other "races"/ethnicities too. Just an assumption.
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hope we can have a mature and truthful conversation...I will be totally honest, there is one "race" I have contiuosly advised, esp African Americans to be very thoughtful of producing childrne with...it's asians.
It's not a problem with baby girls...it's boys...I'll start with a story...I was very good friends with an asain man in his 40's. He'd never had children and we used to date. His genitals were very small, exactly the size of my pinky finger. He ended up marrying a hatian women and they had two sons. Upon the birth of the second son, I brought them the Premium Huggies diapers and wipes...about a month supply.
So I'm holding the youngest baby who was about week old...he had a BM on him so I offered to change his diaper...the Haitian wife and grandmother froze...I took the babies diaper off and although his scrotum looked normal...his penis was no bigger than a Tic-Tac (those small mints)...it had no form and was the color of the flesh in your mouth.
I acted like I saw nothing unusual but I was shook. Later in life I encountered another child who was asian and male who was completely flat above the scrotum and had a small indentation like a navel where the penis would be.
In Monica's original post, she said nothing about which Asian ethnic group to which she was referring. She mentioned the ethnicity of these Asian men several posts later, even after you posted your link to the Asian Indian study.
Monica's warning as quoted here:
Monica wrote:
...I will be totally honest, there is one "race" I have contiuosly advised, esp African Americans to be very thoughtful of producing childrne with...it's asians.
does not specify any particular ethnicity among Asians. This portion of her post is the one with which I take issue. There hasn't been any peer reviewed scientific evidence presented in this thread to support that this warning is necessary or that Asian men of any ethnicity have a higher than average risk of making a deformed child as described by Monica's anecodatal stories. No one has provided the evidence that I'm asking for as of yet.
This guy and his 9 inches wants everyone to know that guessing penis size based on race in not very accurate.
And admins, feel free to delete this post if it is too much. Just some more anecdotal evidence for Monica.
I didn't click on the link because I am at work; not to mention, I would never click on a link that reads "gayasianshop" as a domain name no matter where I was connected to the net. If the guy has 9 inches of "loving", then I'm sure he is very proud of that attribute. He's up there with a lot of "Brothas" apparently. Good for him! But that doesn't mean his situation changes the situation of many other Asian men who aren't able to "hit rock bottom" so to speak.
I'm sure amongst the billions of people that populate Asia, there are other men that have a larger than average penis. The odds would point to this. All I can say about Mr. "9" and other Asian men who are "holding" is, "Happy hunting".
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), so I can only go by what I hear women/girls talk about and it hasn't been "pretty" from the many stories I've heard thus far.
