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lsgh
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 Posted: Mon 22 Oct 2007 22:53 Post subject: <<Vive La Révolution Informatique!>> |
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anonymouse
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 18:30 Post subject: Re: Carter G. Woodson |
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| LSGH wrote: | 
"...[The Créole] easily learns to follow the line of least resistance
rather than battle against odds for what REAL history has shown to be the right course...
A mind that remains in the present atmosphere never undergoes sufficient development
to experience what is commonly known as thinking...[and] s/he drifts so far toward compromise
that s/he loses moral courage." *- CGW
*please note that Docteur Woodson studied @ La Sorbonne & spoke fluent Française...
http://www.chipublib.org/002branches/woodson/woodsonbib.html[ |
Was that quote purposely changed because I thought it actually went like this:
| Quote: | "history shows then, that as a result of these unusual forces in the education of the Negro he easily learns to follow the line of least resistance rather than battle against odds for what real history has shown to be the right course. A mind remains in the present atmosphere never undergoes sufficient development to experience what is commonly known as thinking...Even the few Negroes who are elected to office are often similarly uninformed and show a lack of vision. They have given little attention to the weighty problems of the nation; and in the legislative bodies to which they are elected, they restrict themselves as a rule to matters of special concern to the Negroes themselves, such as lynching, segregation and disenfranchisement, which they have well learned by experience.
The problem of holding the Negro down, therefore, is easily solved. When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his "proper place" and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he wil cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it neccesary."
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Sankofa
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 19:23 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Was that quote purposely changed because I thought it actually went like this:
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"history shows then, that as a result of these unusual forces in the education of the Negro he easily learns to follow the line of least resistance rather than battle against odds for what real history has shown to be the right course. A mind remains in the present atmosphere never undergoes sufficient development to experience what is commonly known as thinking...Even the few Negroes who are elected to office are often similarly uninformed and show a lack of vision. They have given little attention to the weighty problems of the nation; and in the legislative bodies to which they are elected, they restrict themselves as a rule to matters of special concern to the Negroes themselves, such as lynching, segregation and disenfranchisement, which they have well learned by experience.
The problem of holding the Negro down, therefore, is easily solved. When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his "proper place" and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he wil cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it neccesary."
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I was going to call him on it too, but I was waiting for the Admin/Mods to do so considering the fact they are always touting this site to be one that deals in facts. What fact does this deliberate misquote present other than advocating the author of the threads own agenda in renaming/claiming all self-identified "light-skinned Blacks" as "Creole"/"mixed"/"Mulatto"?  |
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anonymouse
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 19:40 Post subject: |
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| Sankofa wrote: | | Quote: | Was that quote purposely changed because I thought it actually went like this:
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"history shows then, that as a result of these unusual forces in the education of the Negro he easily learns to follow the line of least resistance rather than battle against odds for what real history has shown to be the right course. A mind remains in the present atmosphere never undergoes sufficient development to experience what is commonly known as thinking...Even the few Negroes who are elected to office are often similarly uninformed and show a lack of vision. They have given little attention to the weighty problems of the nation; and in the legislative bodies to which they are elected, they restrict themselves as a rule to matters of special concern to the Negroes themselves, such as lynching, segregation and disenfranchisement, which they have well learned by experience.
The problem of holding the Negro down, therefore, is easily solved. When you control a man's thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go yonder. He will find his "proper place" and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he wil cut one for his special benefit. His education makes it neccesary."
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I was going to call him on it too, but I was waiting for the Admin/Mods to do so considering the fact they are always touting this site to be one that deals in facts. What fact does this deliberate misquote present other than advocating the author of the threads own agenda in renaming/claiming all self-identified "light-skinned Blacks" as "Creole"/"mixed"/"Mulatto"? |
This portion: "please note that Docteur Woodson studied @ La Sorbonne & spoke fluent Française" was a deft touch on his part, don't you think? lol |
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fwsweet
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 20:53 Post subject: |
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| Sankofa wrote: | | I was going to call him on it too, but I was waiting for the Admin/Mods to do so considering the fact they are always touting this site to be one that deals in facts. |
The above is in violation of rule 4.1: "Inform Moderators of Rules Violations. — Notify either a moderator or administrator of any rules violation that you have personally observed." This is a formal warning. The next time that Sankofa deliberately fails to report a rules violation his posting privilege will be suspended for four months.
Sankofa seems to think that this is some sort of a game, where he wins points whenever he causes the site to fail in its mission. It is not a game. Everyone loses if the site fails its mission. |
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sagascend
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 21:13 Post subject: |
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| fwsweet wrote: | | Sankofa seems to think that this is some sort of a game, where he wins points whenever he causes the site to fail in its mission. It is not a game. Everyone loses if the site fails its mission. |
I would only like to add that moderators take their jobs very seriously but are far from omniscient.
Sankofa - Please help rather than hinder the process of keeping the peace. A PM or a post in Site Management would alert the administrator/moderators to rules violations that we may have missed. We need your help as well as the help of other posters. We do not need empty criticism or cynicism when we dedicate time and energy on a daily basis to maintaining these fora. (Especially) since you are an impassioned and frequent participant here, hold up your part of the bargain!!
No one is deliberately ignoring rules violations. |
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anonymouse
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 21:50 Post subject: |
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| I know this is going to sound off topic but there does seem to be a rather casual enforcement of the rules on this site. I have yet to see anyone address the fact that a historical figure's words were deliberately altered. Consider which is the more egregious offense and which offense was addressed by the moderator. |
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sagascend
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 22:27 Post subject: |
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| anonymouse wrote: | | I know this is going to sound off topic but there does seem to be a rather casual enforcement of the rules on this site. I have yet to see anyone address the fact that a historical figure's words were deliberately altered. Consider which is the more egregious offense and which offense was addressed by the moderator. |
FYI - It's being addressed. The fact that you haven't seen action taken yet is not an indication that it is being ignored. Again - raise the issue or concern in the Site Management forum. |
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fwsweet
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| Posted: Tue 23 Oct 2007 22:45 Post subject: |
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For falsifying a quotation, LSGH's posting privilege is hereby suspended until midnight, 5 November 2007.
| anonymouse wrote: | | Consider which is the more egregious offense and which offense was addressed by the moderator. |
The greater offense was the fasification. The lesser offense was concealing the falsification. Both offenses were addressed by the moderators. The falsification (the greater offense) resulted in the poster's immediate suspension without warning. Concealing the falsification (the lesser offense) resulted in a warning.
| anonymouse wrote: | | I have yet to see anyone address the fact that a historical figure's words were deliberately altered. |
Anonymouse posted the above three hours after calling attention to the violation and less than one hour after the moderators' first response. The moderators could not act faster for two reasons. First, falsification is so rare that the moderators had to consult with one another before suspending the member without warning. Second, the forum's specific moderator (Tyrone) was unavailable at the time of the offense.
| anonymouse wrote: | | I know this is going to sound off topic but... |
It is off-topic, as Maya has already explained.
Incidentally, the most recent prior case of deliberate falsification on this site is described in the thread Caribj banning. At that time, two members argued that deliberate falsification should be allowed in order to encourage "diversity of opinion." The administration rejected this argument in the thread What constitutes substantiation? A desire for "diversity of opinion" cannot justify falsification. |
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