The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' Aishwarya Rai Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Women's Interests -- Men Welcome Author Message Ashkar New User Joined: 25 Oct 2007 {Posts: 25 } Location: Florida, US Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007 03:07    Post subject: Aishwarya is Indian, and there were very few Indian/British relationships during the colonial era. The descedents of the colonial-era Anglo-Indian unions are sort of discriminated against, have British surnames, and are Christians. Back to top punjabtrini Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007 17:55    Post subject: She is South Indian and there are quite a few who do approximate their North Indian neighbours. Madrasi as a rule, do tend to be dark/black skinned. Her eye colour is reflective of mixed groups where there is much heterogeniety with that group. Parsis Khambatta, a Parsi, was of Persian origin whose family settle in India and they do show a similiarity in facial structrure! As a rolling rule, the surname of the individual does reflect their origins and caste! Back to top Ashkar New User Joined: 25 Oct 2007 {Posts: 25 } Location: Florida, US Posted: Mon 29 Oct 2007 07:15    Post subject: Just curious, why do use the term "Madrasi" for South Indians? I dunno how it works in Trinidad, but in India it's more or less a derogatory term. Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 5380 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Mon 29 Oct 2007 10:47    Post subject: Ashkar wrote: Just curious, why do use the term "Madrasi" for South Indians? I dunno how it works in Trinidad, but in India it's more or less a derogatory term. No kidding? Then, what is the polite term for someone from Madras (or Madraspatnam), the capital of the state of Tamil Nadu? Back to top punjabtrini Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA Posted: Mon 29 Oct 2007 15:44    Post subject: In Trinidad, the term "madrasi" just notes an Asian Indian who has black skin. It is not considered derogatory. Back to top Ashkar New User Joined: 25 Oct 2007 {Posts: 25 } Location: Florida, US Posted: Thu 01 Nov 2007 02:37    Post subject: fwsweet wrote: Ashkar wrote: Just curious, why do use the term "Madrasi" for South Indians? I dunno how it works in Trinidad, but in India it's more or less a derogatory term. No kidding? Then, what is the polite term for someone from Madras (or Madraspatnam), the capital of the state of Tamil Nadu? I should say the term itself is neutral, but the way I've heard it used it always had some deragotory connatation. One of my cousins dropped it a few times on this guy when we were argueing over theater seats, and the dude got pretty heated over it. It's called Chennai now btw ;P Back to top Salsassin SuperWizard Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3515 } Posted: Thu 01 Nov 2007 15:46    Post subject: Ashkar wrote: Just curious, why do use the term "Madrasi" for South Indians? I dunno how it works in Trinidad, but in India it's more or less a derogatory term. Nothing derogatory about Madrasi. It is just a city in the South. Now Madras has been renamed Chenai. Back to top punjabtrini Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA Posted: Thu 01 Nov 2007 16:17    Post subject: People from Trinidad, Guyana or Suriname may not pay attention to the modern naming of areas of India. They/we only have reference from the 1840's concerning place names. I have seen the name change but it does not/did not ring a bell or went in one ear and came out the next! Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Thu 01 Nov 2007 18:24    Post subject: Bollywood: Aishwarya-Rai Depending on the picture, her look varies to me Bollywood actress Aishwarya Rai and Abhishek Bachchan arrive at their wedding celebrations after getting married early on Saturday. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Thu 01 Nov 2007 18:38    Post subject: Re: Aishwarya Rai mixedmom wrote: Does anyone know if this woman is part European? She doesn't look like the Asian Indian women that I've seen. How common is to see people in India who are this light? http://www.celebrity9.com/aishwarya-rai/ Aishwarya was crowned Miss World in 1994. She had previously done some modeling, and became well known in India after appearing in an ad for Pepsi. Since winning the Miss World title, she has become one of the most popular stars of India's huge film industry known as Bollywood. http://www.aishwarya-forever.com/profile/biography.html Both of her parents are Indian, weither either has Euro ancestry I don't know. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Thu 01 Nov 2007 19:19    Post subject: Who is a Madrasi Salsassin wrote: Ashkar wrote: Just curious, why do use the term "Madrasi" for South Indians? I dunno how it works in Trinidad, but in India it's more or less a derogatory term. Nothing derogatory about Madrasi. It is just a city in the South. Now Madras has been renamed Chenai. Geography is an important subject of every school curriculum, but it is a tragedy indeed, that despite being Indians, most of us lack the knowledge of our own country. We know the names of certain mountains, oceans and rivers. We also know that people hailing from Assam are called Assamese and those from Maharashtra are called Maharashtrians. Then how is it that people who belong to the south are called Madrasis? Recently, while traveling with my friend, we both got talking with our co-passengers. During the long journey, one of the passengers asked us our names. As soon as my friend gave her name as S Rao, the gentleman remarked, "so you are a madrasi." Although a little annoyed, my friend did not reply because she had heard the same remark umpteen times. Our people with the rigid mentally and casual attitude, generally refuse to acknowledge that the South is made up of four States, namely Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Andhra and Karnataka. With different geographical features and variations in climatic conditions, the people from these four States speak different languages, having their own customs and differ in eating habits too. Then how can we group them under a general term - Madrasi? Although there are some common words or common sounding words, but in no way are these four languages alike. Each language is sweet and original in its own way and is not identical to the others. Infact, it is very difficult for an Andhraite to follow Tamil without knowing the language. Another very funny thing is that a Madrasi's identity lies with dosas and idlis. Some people even add rasam and sambar but are they aware of the delicacies that are served in these states? The 'avail' from Kerala, the 'koottu' from Karnataka, 'bhagara baigan' from Andhra and the 'Khurma' from Tamil Nadu will leave people licking their fingers. No other state has the variety of pickles and chutneys that are prepared in these southern States of our country. South India has been divided since the fourth century AD. According to history, the south compressed of the Cholas, Pandyas, the Satiyaputras and the Keralas. According to the references made in the inscriptions of Ashoka, the Cholas were the indigenous people of the south. With such ancient culture, these people, who are commonly termed as 'Madrasis', cannot be brought under a common name. Why is a name or stigma attached to a community when we do not have proper knowledge about them? For all those who are ignorant about the treasured culture and rich heritage of the south, it is time that they realized that there is more to being a Madrasi. By: Mrs. Dasgupta[/img] Back to top pianoplayer111 Wizard Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 429 } Posted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 01:37    Post subject: She is gorgeous. As to her ancestry, it is possible that she has Euro blood but because Indians are technically classified as Caucasian, that could explain her phenotype as well. All racial groups are diverse, IMO, due to mixing. I have Lebanese relatives who are as white as can be (with blue eyes, to boot). Sri Lankans tend to be very dark and so do Dravidians. That is the look Mixedmom is probably referring to. I know many Indian women who resemble Rai and some who are even fairer/whiter in phenotype than she is. Back to top pianoplayer111 Wizard Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 429 } Posted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 01:39    Post subject: Ty, are you sure that the first few pictures you posted are of Aishwarya Rai? They look nothing like her. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 02:32    Post subject: pianoplayer111 wrote: Ty, are you sure that the first few pictures you posted are of Aishwarya Rai? They look nothing like her. No those were pictures of other Indian women with light colored eyes much fairer in complexion Back to top mulan Experienced User Joined: 14 Aug 2007 {Posts: 102 } Posted: Thu 22 Nov 2007 14:06    Post subject: What if her features came from Arab ancestry? Nordic British aren't those only group of Caucasians to have pale skin and light colored eyes. Rai may not have any British ancestry at all. Consider all the groups of Caucasians, or of Caucasian descent who moved through Indian and influenced the bloodlines there before the descendants of Norsemen arrived. Consider that her eye color isn't exclusive to Nordic Caucasians, neither is her pale skin tone. She could be of distant Japanese, ancestry. Back to top Ashkar New User Joined: 25 Oct 2007 {Posts: 25 } Location: Florida, US Posted: Tue 27 Nov 2007 11:37    Post subject: It's interesting reading the far fetched theories you guys are coming up with, and they're sort of borderline insulting and ignorant. Whether you admit it or not, some of you guys have David Duke type thinking when it comes to phenotypical variation outside of Europe. P.S. Gemini, that is not the same woman in your pics. Back to top G-Man Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2992 } Posted: Tue 27 Nov 2007 13:25    Post subject: Ashkar wrote: It's interesting reading the far fetched theories you guys are coming up with, and they're sort of borderline insulting and ignorant. Whether you admit it or not, some of you guys have David Duke type thinking when it comes to phenotypical variation outside of Europe. Please elaborate. Back to top punjabtrini Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA Posted: Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:11    Post subject: pianoplayer111 wrote: She is gorgeous. As to her ancestry, it is possible that she has Euro blood but because Indians are technically classified as Caucasian, that could explain her phenotype as well. All racial groups are diverse, IMO, due to mixing. I have Lebanese relatives who are as white as can be (with blue eyes, to boot). Sri Lankans tend to be very dark and so do Dravidians. That is the look Mixedmom is probably referring to. I know many Indian women who resemble Rai and some who are even fairer/whiter in phenotype than she is. One does not need to have European ancestry (whatever that means) to have blue eyes! There are groups like Nuristani and Kalash (NW Frontier Province of Pakistan), Baluchi, Waziri, Azeri and others who do not originate from Europe but who, through isolation and terrain (natural barriers) have maintained their 'identity' and through heterogeneity show external characteristics of red beard, blue/green eyes, or light brown hair! Recently there was a National Geographic segment documenting a 'Caucasian' group of people buried in the 'desert' in China (along the Silk Road)!! Back to top mulan Experienced User Joined: 14 Aug 2007 {Posts: 102 } Posted: Thu 29 Nov 2007 12:31    Post subject: G-Man wrote: Ashkar wrote: It's interesting reading the far fetched theories you guys are coming up with, and they're sort of borderline insulting and ignorant. Whether you admit it or not, some of you guys have David Duke type thinking when it comes to phenotypical variation outside of Europe. Please elaborate. yes, please. it's not enough to just call us ignorant, then go away. tell us why we are ignorant. i'd like to think of most of the members of this board as open minded enough to take in, and learn from, a different perspective. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2942 } Posted: Thu 29 Nov 2007 17:04    Post subject: Ashkar wrote: It's interesting reading the far fetched theories you guys are coming up with, and they're sort of borderline insulting and ignorant. Whether you admit it or not, some of you guys have David Duke type thinking when it comes to phenotypical variation outside of Europe. P.S. Gemini, that is not the same woman in your pics. If you are going to attack people you better start reading what they write HOW did you skip over this Posted: Wed 21 Nov 2007 02:32 Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pianoplayer111 wrote: Ty, are you sure that the first few pictures you posted are of Aishwarya Rai? They look nothing like her. Ty wrote: No those were pictures of other Indian women with light colored eyes much fairer in complexion I Know that, I said it wasn't I said I tried to find photos of fairer complexioned women with light eye coloring. Who are you? Why don't you 'Carefully' respond to who you think is being insulting and take a chill pill. This is my first intro to you and I already don't like U. 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