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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2007 03:37    Post subject: Re: It's up to you! :-) Reply with quote

MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
Therefore, trying to make themselves out to be the good mulattoes and make people like you (Kalima) and me out to be the big bad racist mixed race people (mulattoes).

Yes, I was just thinking about this sort of thing, especially since I just got done reading the 'Race is a Nice Thing to Have' book. If you identify Black, that's fine, but if you identify white, you're called a supremacist or a racist. I don't think white is better than Black; I'm a realist. I'm a woman who hardly tans, raised in white protestant America, technically mulatto.

I can't go around calling myself 'human', or 'American' because then people say that's denying race because of my 'hidden racism'. 'European-American'? Okay, but what about my AA heritage? Sometimes I just say 'British Isles and French Creole' and laugh because it's so stupid that anyone even cares.

So online (where people can't see how obvious this is) I say 'white'. It's really the only place I have to do that.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2007 06:09    Post subject: Reply with quote



@ Kalima,

Kalima you are a white woman technically a mulatta but you predominately white, so therefore, you are a white woman. You have been raised in a white culture and raised white, and most of all you feel comfortable being what you were raised and that is white. If you did not feel comfortable with it they you could change your culture by choosing to be apart of another culture. They keep asking about your black ancestry because they trying to find away to put the ODR on you n my opinion. Also with some black men I have spoken to and even over they have powerful sexual attraction to woman who skin tones are not dark or caramel skin. This could also be a reason why some man keeps inquiring about your ethnicity. There could possibly be black women who inquire about your black ancestry out of jealousy, and if you reveal that you are mixed with black American this makes them feel comfortable around you and some will even feel comfortable mistreating you. So it is better to protect yourself from mistreatment at the hands of both blacks, whites, and other non whites in America. A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America. I wouldn't. Kalima you white, and live your life free as much as possible from having to identify and acknowledge some black ancestry that would open you up to racism and rudeness. They tried to get Anatole Broyard (had a white phenotype) to publicly identify as black, he would not but those close friends of his -- he revealed to them that he creole and black ancestry, but publicly he found no benefit to go around saying he was black when it could open him up to unprovoked racism and affect his financial income. Kalima, because of your phenotype you are majority free of ODR, and I support your choice to identify as white because that is what you are in phenotype, and how you were raised culturally.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2007 10:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America.

I guess you have never heard of pride in the people that raised you. Just because some people have issues doesn't make the identity of Black bad. But it has to be a label you feel comfortable with. Just like any other.

What happens to the kid of two fully accepted and fully identified Blacks (say Vanessa Williams and enry Louis Gates Jr) who happens to get most all the genes for a European phenotype? Born in a Black community, raised by a Black family, etc. They are supposed to identify as White all of a sudden?
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Sep 2007 11:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Salsassin,

HUH, what are you talking about?
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Sep 2007 17:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting site!
On further analysis, the definition of mulato is usually one black and one white parent but there are many mulatos (offspring) per definition who possess African characteristcs who may be seen as being mulato.

In my part of the country (Midwest) that I am located, people of Finnish ethnicity and other offspringmeld towards the Finnish phenotype as opposed to someone of non Finnish ethnicity. I reference this as I looked at the Jan Silva piece and there was a blend of both phenotypes as oppoed to one phenotype predominating. I cannot explain it but it is interesting. Mulatos from Latin backgrounds tend to meld towards a medium while those of ANglo-Saxon backgrounds tend towards an Afro one. Limited observation, of course.

A song from the past:
yo soy un negro fino
de piel normal, mi bemba no es negro, es bien colorao,
aunque tengo el color de blanco, negro morire!........
I do not recall the the rest of the words but it is the one i remember.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Sep 2007 18:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ punjabtrini

punjabtrini
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: An interesting site!
On further analysis, the definition of mulato is usually one black and one white parent but there are many mulatos (offspring) per definition who possess African characteristcs who may be seen as being mulato.

In my part of the country (Midwest) that I am located, people of Finnish ethnicity and other offspringmeld towards the Finnish phenotype as opposed to someone of non Finnish ethnicity. I reference this as I looked at the Jan Silva piece and there was a blend of both phenotypes as oppoed to one phenotype predominating. I cannot explain it but it is interesting. Mulatos from Latin backgrounds tend to meld towards a medium while those of ANglo-Saxon backgrounds tend towards an Afro one. Limited observation, of course.


MP said: Part of the reason is that when mulattoes were forced to identify black under the ODR they where sent into the black race, and began intermarrying with blacks thus becoming more black again. Wherefore, I am going to assume that because in Latin American culture and Latino cultures the mixed race people intermarry among themselves
a lot so the mixed race phenotype continue to be reinforced.
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PostPosted: Sat 22 Sep 2007 22:39    Post subject: Right to identity Reply with quote

Salsassin wrote:
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America.

I guess you have never heard of pride in the people that raised you. Just because some people have issues doesn't make the identity of Black bad. But it has to be a label you feel comfortable with. Just like any other.

What happens to the kid of two fully accepted and fully identified Blacks (say Vanessa Williams and enry Louis Gates Jr) who happens to get most all the genes for a European phenotype? Born in a Black community, raised by a Black family, etc. They are supposed to identify as White all of a sudden?


Consider Barack Obama. Born into a "white" family (Mom, maternal grandparents; deserted by African dad), raised in a non-black community in Hawaii, with a phenotype that most Americans would probably consider "black." Is he supposed to identify as "black" all of a sudden? Oh, wait! He did! What's wrong with doing it the other way around?
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PostPosted: Sun 23 Sep 2007 00:22    Post subject: Re: Right to identity Reply with quote

Powell wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America.

I guess you have never heard of pride in the people that raised you. Just because some people have issues doesn't make the identity of Black bad. But it has to be a label you feel comfortable with. Just like any other.

What happens to the kid of two fully accepted and fully identified Blacks (say Vanessa Williams and enry Louis Gates Jr) who happens to get most all the genes for a European phenotype? Born in a Black community, raised by a Black family, etc. They are supposed to identify as White all of a sudden?


Consider Barack Obama. Born into a "white" family (Mom, maternal grandparents; deserted by African dad), raised in a non-black community in Hawaii, with a phenotype that most Americans would probably consider "black." Is he supposed to identify as "black" all of a sudden? Oh, wait! He did! What's wrong with doing it the other way around?


Now, I'm not saying it's justified, but I think the reason is because people assume that a person mixed with black and white who says they are white is ashamed of their blackness. While I'm sure that is the case sometimes, it is not always the case. On the flip side, I suppose some mulattos who ID as black do so because they are ashamed of their whiteness, but no one really questions the motives of a mixie identifying as black. Definitely double standards still exist!
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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep 2007 14:21    Post subject: Re: Right to identity Reply with quote

Powell wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America.

I guess you have never heard of pride in the people that raised you. Just because some people have issues doesn't make the identity of Black bad. But it has to be a label you feel comfortable with. Just like any other.

What happens to the kid of two fully accepted and fully identified Blacks (say Vanessa Williams and enry Louis Gates Jr) who happens to get most all the genes for a European phenotype? Born in a Black community, raised by a Black family, etc. They are supposed to identify as White all of a sudden?


Consider Barack Obama. Born into a "white" family (Mom, maternal grandparents; deserted by African dad), raised in a non-black community in Hawaii, with a phenotype that most Americans would probably consider "black." Is he supposed to identify as "black" all of a sudden? Oh, wait! He did! What's wrong with doing it the other way around?


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Hmm, they never seem to be able to answer that one...... Wink

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Oct 2007 02:40    Post subject: Re: Right to identity Reply with quote

Powell wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America.

I guess you have never heard of pride in the people that raised you. Just because some people have issues doesn't make the identity of Black bad. But it has to be a label you feel comfortable with. Just like any other.

What happens to the kid of two fully accepted and fully identified Blacks (say Vanessa Williams and enry Louis Gates Jr) who happens to get most all the genes for a European phenotype? Born in a Black community, raised by a Black family, etc. They are supposed to identify as White all of a sudden?


Consider Barack Obama. Born into a "white" family (Mom, maternal grandparents; deserted by African dad), raised in a non-black community in Hawaii, with a phenotype that most Americans would probably consider "black." Is he supposed to identify as "black" all of a sudden? Oh, wait! He did! What's wrong with doing it the other way around?


He also spent time in Indonesia. Was he then supposed to identify as Malay/Indonesian? lol

Every time Barack looked in the mirror as a boy or spoke his name aloud his "blackness" was reaffirmed. And even if he tried to deny his "blackness" any police office would have been happy to set him straight. And I doubt they would have said, "Pull over you mulatto you!!!"
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct 2007 00:38    Post subject: Re: Right to identity Reply with quote

anonymouse wrote:
Powell wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America.

I guess you have never heard of pride in the people that raised you. Just because some people have issues doesn't make the identity of Black bad. But it has to be a label you feel comfortable with. Just like any other.

What happens to the kid of two fully accepted and fully identified Blacks (say Vanessa Williams and enry Louis Gates Jr) who happens to get most all the genes for a European phenotype? Born in a Black community, raised by a Black family, etc. They are supposed to identify as White all of a sudden?


Consider Barack Obama. Born into a "white" family (Mom, maternal grandparents; deserted by African dad), raised in a non-black community in Hawaii, with a phenotype that most Americans would probably consider "black." Is he supposed to identify as "black" all of a sudden? Oh, wait! He did! What's wrong with doing it the other way around?


He also spent time in Indonesia. Was he then supposed to identify as Malay/Indonesian? lol

Every time Barack looked in the mirror as a boy or spoke his name aloud his "blackness" was reaffirmed. And even if he tried to deny his "blackness" any police office would have been happy to set him straight. And I doubt they would have said, "Pull over you mulatto you!!!"


You know, I've been on this earth for almost 30 years and I've never had a police officer "set me straight" about my "blackness".

In all seriousness, scare tactics such as these need to stop.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Oct 2007 01:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off-topic post split to Police suspicion of or mistreatment of African Americans in the "Improving U.S. Society" forum.
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PostPosted: Wed 31 Oct 2007 14:55    Post subject: Re: Right to identity Reply with quote

Powell wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
MP (mulattoprince) wrote:
A person who has another option based upon phenotype or born in another country would have to be a little crazy to labeled themselves voluntarily black in America.

I guess you have never heard of pride in the people that raised you. Just because some people have issues doesn't make the identity of Black bad. But it has to be a label you feel comfortable with. Just like any other.

What happens to the kid of two fully accepted and fully identified Blacks (say Vanessa Williams and enry Louis Gates Jr) who happens to get most all the genes for a European phenotype? Born in a Black community, raised by a Black family, etc. They are supposed to identify as White all of a sudden?


Consider Barack Obama. Born into a "white" family (Mom, maternal grandparents; deserted by African dad), raised in a non-black community in Hawaii, with a phenotype that most Americans would probably consider "black." Is he supposed to identify as "black" all of a sudden? Oh, wait! He did! What's wrong with doing it the other way around?

He was raised in a multi ethnic community. Blacks were present. Furthermore, his exposure to Blacks in the US and marrying a Black woman led him to identify with the ethnicity.
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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jan 2008 21:05    Post subject: Mulatto Reply with quote

There's an interesting conversation going on about the word mulatto, in case you're interested.

Click HERE to go THERE
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PostPosted: Sat 26 Jan 2008 19:45    Post subject: Re: Right to identity Reply with quote

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Consider Barack Obama. Born into a "white" family (Mom, maternal grandparents; deserted by African dad), raised in a non-black community in Hawaii, with a phenotype that most Americans would probably consider "black." Is he supposed to identify as "black" all of a sudden? Oh, wait! He did! What's wrong with doing it the other way around?



I agree. Everyone should define themselves as they wish, but I think this issue is very complex. For instance, I read about this man who is Egyptian, and identified himself as black, but when he came to the US, he felt forced to identify as white because here in the US, North Africans are classified as white(at least on paper) no matter what they look like.

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