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gemini072 Moderator

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Posted: Wed 28 Nov 2007 16:00 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | | David Bowie is one fugly individual....The daughter appears not to have inherited any of his fuglyness. |
lol I thought that's what you were going to say... |
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sagascend Moderator

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Posted: Wed 28 Nov 2007 16:07 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | | David Bowie is one fugly individual....The daughter appears not to have inherited any of his fuglyness. |
That's COLD.  |
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odocoileus Mentor

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Posted: Fri 30 Nov 2007 23:30 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | | David Bowie is one fugly individual....The daughter appears not to have inherited any of his fuglyness. |
Funny you should say that. The story everyone tells is that he was mobbed by girls in school, and that the boys beat his butt out of jealousy.
There's no question that many young women have a preference for the androgynous, girly boy type. Just look at Tiger Beat magazine and the whole teen idol phenomenon. Scott Baio slept with huge numbers of women when he was young, too.
This makes me wonder at what age women make the transition from digging on girly-boys to digging on he-men. Or do they ever make the transition? Hmm. |
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quin79 New User

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| the ethiopian/german is gorgeous. very beautiful. Some of the most beautiful women are ethiopian. Just thought I say that. Anyway, I thought'll i respond. Its funny how people seem to mention the "ethiopian" look. I, myself, have been asked if I was ethiopian or mistaken for an ethiopian from ethiopians, other east africans, and other people who are friends with Ethiopians. Its funny because I am Black American. I dont whether or not I have ethiopian ancestry(a VERY small percentage of slaves who came to the US came from East Africa. But it mostly from West and Central Africa) or it was just to way my African(wherever ethnic groups or countries of origin) ancestry melded with my Europeon(French, Italian, British) ancestry. I dont know. |
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gemini072 Moderator

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Posted: Tue 11 Dec 2007 01:01 Post subject: |
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| quin79 wrote: | | the ethiopian/german is gorgeous. very beautiful. Some of the most beautiful women are ethiopian. Just thought I say that. Anyway, I thought'll i respond. Its funny how people seem to mention the "ethiopian" look. I, myself, have been asked if I was ethiopian or mistaken for an ethiopian from ethiopians, other east africans, and other people who are friends with Ethiopians. Its funny because I am Black American. I dont whether or not I have ethiopian ancestry(a VERY small percentage of slaves who came to the US came from East Africa. But it mostly from West and Central Africa) or it was just to way my African(wherever ethnic groups or countries of origin) ancestry melded with my Europeon(French, Italian, British) ancestry. I dont know. |
I get them from other Ethiopians especially when I'm in Toronto |
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anonymouse Wizard

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My ex (maybe once again soon to be current ) g/f gets the same. What makes it even worse is that her first name is Amharic. What are the odds that a black woman from South America who was purposely given an Ethiopian name at birth would end up possessing Ethiopian facial features as well?
She says that she doesn't have the stereotypical Ethiopian woman's posterior. Hers, she quips, was inherited directly from her indigenous great grandmother. It's flat. lol |
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gemini072 Moderator

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| anonymouse wrote: | My ex (maybe once again soon to be current ) g/f gets the same. What makes it even worse is that her first name is Amharic. What are the odds that a black woman from South America who was purposely given an Ethiopian name at birth would end up possessing Ethiopian facial features as well?
She says that she doesn't have the stereotypical Ethiopian woman's posterior. Hers, she quips, was inherited directly from her indigenous great grandmother. It's flat. lol |
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gemini072 Moderator

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Posted: Fri 13 Jun 2008 15:21 Post subject: Ethiopian Jews |
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Richard Miller Mentor

Joined: 26 May 2007 {Posts: 394 } Location: San Antonio, Texas
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| GermanChocolate wrote: | | I am not surprised, as Ethiopians are not black. |
Someone take me to the opthamologist, I think my eyes are failing me!
| fwsweet wrote: | | As I mentioned above, before the "race" notion was abandoned in science, Ethiopians (and Somalis) were considered to be of the now-defunct "racial" classification known as "Caucasian." |
Because of ODR - as a mulatto, I have to be black, yet that son of b!tch in the picture DOESN'T? You mean to tell me that while Mengistu Haile Mariam was a young officer, and president of the Derg, this man was CAUCASIAN under that system?
Gotta love it...
I think that in all honesty, those racial classification were very subjective and made so that whites can claim all of the achievments and contributions to humanity that were made in north Africa - otherwise, if they were of no use to whites, many of them, like Mariam, would clearly be "Negro". |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Sat 21 Jun 2008 22:32 Post subject: |
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Ethiopia is filled with many diverse peoples. The Ethiopians who were considered dark Caucasians were the Semitic or Cushitic-speaking peoples. I don't think Mariam is one of those Ethiopians who would have been considered Caucasian.
From Wikipedia (not sure of the accuracy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengistu_Haile_Mariam
Early life
Mengistu's father, Haile Mariam, was a former slave who was in the service of an aristocratic sub-provincial governor, the Shoan landowner Afenegus Eshete Geda. Eshete encountered Haile Mariam while he was on a hunting expedition at the administrative district of Gimira and Maji (in Southern Ethiopia), then under the governorship of Dejazmach Taye Gulilat. Afenegus Eshete Geda was the half-brother of Dejazmatch Kebede's wife, Woizero Yitateku Kidane, and it was through this connection that Mengistu's parents are alleged to have met.[citation needed]
Mengistu's grandmother, Totit (literally "monkey", a name used to call slaves), was still alive when he seized power, and had become an Orthodox nun. Supposedly, on the special orders of her grandson, the nationalization of land did not apply to her. She continued to own the land near the Holetta Military Academy just 30 miles from Addis Ababa, which Empress Zauditu had granted her for services prior to her expulsion from the palace in 1928. Popular legend however states that the elderly nun did not thank her grandson for this favor, and indeed used to curse him for deposing the Emperor.[citation needed]
As a child Mengistu endured comments about his appearance, rooted in the Konso background on his father's side.[citation needed] His features were far more "Negroid" than the average highlander Ethiopian, which Paul Henze believes gave him an inferiority complex; Henze also notes that while receiving military training in the United States, Mengistu experienced racial discrimination, which led him to a later strong anti-American sentiment (Henze, however, was unable to find evidence of any such incidents).[4] When he took power, and attended the meeting of Derg members at the 4th Division headquarters in Addis Ababa, Mengistu exclaimed with emotion:
In this country, some aristocratic families automatically categorize persons with dark skin, thick lips, and kinky hair as "Barias" (Amharic for slave)... let it be clear to everybody that I shall soon make these ignoramuses stoop and grind corn!
Professor Bahru Zewde notes that Mengistu was distinguished by a "special ability to size up situations and persons." Although Bahru notes that some observers "rather charitably" equated this ability with intelligence, the professor believes this skill is more akin to "street smarts": "it is rather closer to the mark to see it as inner-city smartness (or what in local parlance would be called aradanat)."[5]
Mengistu graduated from the Oletta Academy, one of the two important military academies of Ethiopia.[6]
| Quote: | | I think that in all honesty, those racial classification were very subjective and made so that whites can claim all of the achievments and contributions to humanity that were made in north Africa - otherwise, if they were of no use to whites, many of them, like Mariam, would clearly be "Negro". |
Somalia isn't really known for any achievements,neither is Djibouti. Yet the people there were defined as Caucasian. These early classifications were based on skull formation and features as opposed to achievements. IMO, there may have been a reluctance to see these acheivements, such as they were, as the result of non-white people, so this may have contributed to these people being seen as Caucasian. |
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Richard Miller Mentor

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Posted: Sat 21 Jun 2008 23:08 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | | Somalia isn't really known for any achievements,neither is Djibouti. Yet the people there were defined as Caucasian. These early classifications were based on skull formation and features as opposed to achievements. IMO, there may have been a reluctance to see these acheivements, such as they were, as the result of non-white people, so this may have contributed to these people being seen as Caucasian. |
It is entirely possible that Somolia's non-longitudinal geographic promity to Ethiopia, and similar features as many Ethiopians, may have forced those claiming Ethiopians as Caucasian to claim Somolians as well. I agree with your last sentence though. |
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Grasshoppa Experienced User

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Posted: Tue 24 Jun 2008 19:09 Post subject: |
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Somalia isn't really known for any achievements,neither is Djibouti. Yet the people there were defined as Caucasian. These early classifications were based on skull formation and features as opposed to achievements. IMO, there may have been a reluctance to see these acheivements, such as they were, as the result of non-white people, so this may have contributed to these people being seen as Caucasian. |
What I find weird is the fact that they felt they had to be classified as either Negroid or Caucasian when they really look like an intermediate imo.
I remember seeing a picture of a half Ghanain, half Persian woman that I assumed to be Ethiopian at first. It's almost like all of the groups of people inbetwwen Ghana and Iran form a gradient, horners being near the middle. |
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Richard Miller Mentor

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Posted: Tue 24 Jun 2008 20:48 Post subject: |
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What I find weird is the fact that they felt they had to be classified as either Negroid or Caucasian when they really look like an intermediate imo. |
Wasn't there a case as well, where Indians were classified as Caucasoid when, if objectively classified, most of India would have been considered a mixture Caucasoid and Australoid - if not more Australoid than Caucasoid, while many tribes in the north would be Mongoloid? I think that India's history was very... "claimworthy" by those who had the luxury of being in the position to classify as they saw fit. |
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Metro Probationary
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| Richard Miller wrote: | | Grasshoppa wrote: |
What I find weird is the fact that they felt they had to be classified as either Negroid or Caucasian when they really look like an intermediate imo. |
Wasn't there a case as well, where Indians were classified as Caucasoid when, if objectively classified, most of India would have been considered a mixture Caucasoid and Australoid - if not more Australoid than Caucasoid, while many tribes in the north would be Mongoloid? I think that India's history was very... "claimworthy" by those who had the luxury of being in the position to classify as they saw fit. |
Yes, most would have/were considered to be caucasoid or an intermediate between Caucasoid/Australoid, as far as outdated anthropometric typology was concerned. However, contemporary genetics points to a predominately Caucasian makeup, meaning that either original Caucasians were very much dark like most Indians/south Asians, or that South Asians are/were "Caucasoid" who have specialized/adapted to the varying tropical climates of the sub-continent.
Of course their are people who range throughout the interior to southern regions of the sub-continent, who are of a different branch of people all together, but human all the same.
Hope that helps. |
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William Moderator

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Posted: Mon 30 Jun 2008 16:43 Post subject: |
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| Richard Miller wrote: | | Grasshoppa wrote: |
What I find weird is the fact that they felt they had to be classified as either Negroid or Caucasian when they really look like an intermediate imo. |
Wasn't there a case as well, where Indians were classified as Caucasoid when, if objectively classified, most of India would have been considered a mixture Caucasoid and Australoid - if not more Australoid than Caucasoid, while many tribes in the north would be Mongoloid? I think that India's history was very... "claimworthy" by those who had the luxury of being in the position to classify as they saw fit. |
Indians have been categorized differently at different times and by different anthropologists, as have Ethiopians. Sometimes both were "Caucasoid"; other times the Ethiopians were a variety of "Negroid" and the Indians were "Caucasoid-Australoid" or merely "a mixture of many races." "Australoids" were sometimes considered "Caucasoids" or "Archaic Caucasoids." Here is how the anthropologists who wrote the Races of Man article in the 1968 World Book Encyclopedia categorized the populations of the world:
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Salsassin Suspended

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| LOL. this article brings me memories as I befriended a Tigist a while back because of her article. It is actually a pretty old article that just keeps on getting reposted. |
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Richard Miller Mentor

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According to this, Ethopians were considered negro... and... Ainus were considered caucasion? Aren't Ainus second only Korean immigrants in terms of being subject to prejudice in Japan?
I can at least say that this chart seems a little less biased, as there's really nothing to gain from claiming Ainus, and they're not claiming any groups from Africa, except Arabs. |
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anonymouse Wizard

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Hello
My name is Anonymouse and I am happy to report that I have discovered that I am descended from the Forest Negros. Now the mystery of why I periodically yearn to strip down to my loincloth and run free through the forest been revealed.
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Salsassin Suspended

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| Richard Miller wrote: | According to this, Ethopians were considered negro... and... Ainus were considered caucasion? Aren't Ainus second only Korean immigrants in terms of being subject to prejudice in Japan?
I can at least say that this chart seems a little less biased, as there's really nothing to gain from claiming Ainus, and they're not claiming any groups from Africa, except Arabs. |
You also have groups like the Barakumin who are highly discriminated.
All I know is that my experience asking Ethiopians, Eretrians and Somalis is that many d indeed consider themselves Black. Doesn't mean they consider themselves the same as West Africans.
Here is a poll I did a while back that kind of answers the question as to how perceptions vary
Are All Ethiopians (and other Horn of Africans) Black? |
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G-Man Moderator

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Posted: Sat 05 Jul 2008 14:06 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: | | Richard Miller wrote: | According to this, Ethopians were considered negro... and... Ainus were considered caucasion? Aren't Ainus second only Korean immigrants in terms of being subject to prejudice in Japan?
I can at least say that this chart seems a little less biased, as there's really nothing to gain from claiming Ainus, and they're not claiming any groups from Africa, except Arabs. |
You also have groups like the Barakumin who are highly discriminated.
All I know is that my experience asking Ethiopians, Eretrians and Somalis is that many d indeed consider themselves Black. Doesn't mean they consider themselves the same as West Africans.
Here is a poll I did a while back that kind of answers the question as to how perceptions vary
Are All Ethiopians (and other Horn of Africans) Black? |
Didn't you get in trouble on Human Biodiversity Forum for posting the results of your poll? You know, because some "Hormers" didn't see themselves as black you were accused of promoting some kind of agenda. |
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