Posted: Wed 02 Jan 2008 21:40 Post subject: When in disagreeement attack a person's credibility
This seems to have happened to me in this thread. Fwsweet seems to have purposely quoted me out of context and then attributed statements, attitudes and viewpoints that I have not embraced directly or indirectly to me
fwsweet wrote:
On the contrary. Anonymouse repeatedly insisted that the woman was "black" and nothing but "black." Furthermore, he insisted that any West Indian (any West Indian!) would consider her to be "black." Moreover, he was unwilling even to contemplate the possibility of a 3-tier system that saw anything other than "black" or "white." Anonymouse's notion that anyone who is not "white" MUST be utterly "black," with no possibility of in-between (no possibility of in-between!) is alien to the West Indies. In fact, this notion is found in the general population only in the United States of America.
I said nothing of the sort. I stated to other Trinidadians she would be viewed as black. Never did I state as you claim you have to be either black or white which would be a foolish claim in a country where blacks and east indians form the majority of the population.
I was told that my viewpoints are refuted by studies done on Spanish and french countries (non-english). While those islands are in the Caribbean for the most part they are not considered West Indian countries. I have yet to encounter a Dominican or a Puerto Rican that referred to themselves as West Indian (though many Haitians do).
Fwsweet seems to believe that in Trinidad & Tobago 2007 (2008 - happy new year) mixed or coloured is a racial designator which is distinct and separate from others. He is mistaken. Coloured is a euphemism for black. A person can be mixed and still be black, the same way the husband from the article is mixed with white yet is still Chinese.
fwsweet wrote:
Donning my administrator's hat once again, I now question whether Anonymouse has any connection to Trinidad or to the British West Indies. He is apparently ignorant of the island usages of "black" versus "coloured." He unfamiliar with the names of the scholars whose works form the basic history curriculum taught on the islands. He has apparently never set foot in any of the campuses of the University of the West Indies.
I previously stated that I went to Howard University. Whether or not I ever stepped foot on a UWI campus is irrelevant. But if you plop me down in Barbados I can surely drive to Cave Hill without asking for directions.
After that I was effectively called a liar with regards to having a West Indian background. And by West Indian I am referring to English speaking former British colonies in the Caribbean which is how natives refer to themselves. And if a person has ever spent any time in the West Indies, written a letter or even been around West Indian people from any West Indian country they would know this to be true. And the fact that he referred to the xmas party guests at his in-laws as "Badians" shows how little he knows about at least one island in the West Indies. He reeks of the same American arrogance that he chastises others of having by renaming people on a whim. A person from Barbados is either Barbadian (formal) or Bajan (pronounced bay-jun). I have been referred to as a "Barbajan" by older folks in Jamaica but they really didn't know any better so I didn't correct them.
And yes i would know because as I have repeatedly stated in the past I am a 1st gen American: My mother is from Whitehall, St. Michael and my father is from Blackrock, St Michael. I grew up in NYC but spent considerable time growing up in Bim. And yes Bim and/or Bimshire are acceptable alternative names for Barbados. The current Ambassador from Barbados (Michael King) to the US is my mother's first cousin. His wife name is Jackie (also a matter of public record) and she is Vincy (Vincentian). They have 2 sons - the younger is a photographer living in San Francisco, the older one works for CARICOM and is in GT (Georgetown, Guyana). Living in the WDC area I do attend embassy functions as well as OAS (Organization of the American States) functions.
This pic was taken at the 40th Independence at the OAS here in DC in November of 2006. Mr. King is on the far left and his wife is in white.
This was taken at my aunt's beach house. Mr. King is seated on the right. My son is in the striped sweater watching cartoons. Mr. King's younger son is on the left
I am not and have never claimed to be trini. I have Trinidadian relatives and I am well familiar with Trinidadian people, customs & culture. I was married for a while to a Jamaican woman of black and indian extraction and we have one son. I am well versed with Jamaican people, customs and culture. I also have very close family friends that are Guyanese and I too am well versed with the people, culture and customs. And it should be quite obvious that I know a great deal about Barbados.
As far as me never setting foot outside the US (a truly ludicrous and somewhat childish assertion on your part) is also false. Usually I stay by my Aunt for a time and hotels the rest of the time. She lives in Cane Vale which is up the road from Oistens in Christ Church. And while I have not been to Barbados in a few years I was able to scrape up a few shots from the few pictures that I have knocking around here:
This is a view from line land from my father's side of the family in Boscobelle, St. Peter. I neither found the time nor the funds to develop it yet but I do have plans to build a house or two on it. But this is my land.
This is a popular spot for locals and tourists alike called Bathsheba in St. Joseph on the east coast (the Atlantic) side of the island. The date on the camera was set wrong (3 years ahead).
This a shot of my sister (on the left), myself and my cousin Anne on the right
This was taken at my cousin Anne's wedding in 93 (same cousin from above). I am in the dark suit looking back at the camera
And if that is not enough for you here is a page from my passport.
You owe me an apology Mr. Sweet. I do not lie.
Last edited by anonymouse on Mon 07 Jul 2008 17:31; edited 1 time in total
This forum is intended for discussion of the operation of the OneDropRule discussion group itself, including: software, hardware, services, policies, how-to, etc. It is not a place to continue arguing your point after you have been suspended. I am hereby inactivating your account until your suspension ends.
This forum is intended for discussion of the operation of the OneDropRule discussion group itself, including: software, hardware, services, policies, how-to, etc. It is not a place to continue arguing your point after you have been suspended. I am hereby inactivating your account until your suspension ends.
How about responding to some of his concerns though on the appropriate thread. Like the one where you were so certain that he had never stepped foot in the Caribbean.
BTW you are right. He has no connection to the BRITISH West Indies given that Barbados is NOT a BRitish West Indian island.
How about responding to some of his concerns though on the appropriate thread. Like the one where you were so certain that he had never stepped foot in the Caribbean.
We will never know for sure, of course, since on the internet you can claim to be a Martian if you wish.
The sole issue was and remains his refusal to cite any source for his implausible claim about any West Indian. I have already explained my ruling on this issue (http://onedroprule.org/viewtopic.php?p=33981#33981) in more detail than it deserves. The topic of Anonymouse's suspension is closed. Bring it up again and you will join him.
Posted: Sun 13 Jan 2008 14:56 Post subject: Re: When in disagreeement attack a person's credibility
anonymouse wrote:
This seems to have happened to me in this thread. Fwsweet seems to have purposely quoted me out of context and then attributed statements, attitudes and viewpoints that I have not embraced directly or indirectly to me
fwsweet wrote:
On the contrary. Anonymouse repeatedly insisted that the woman was "black" and nothing but "black." Furthermore, he insisted that any West Indian (any West Indian!) would consider her to be "black." Moreover, he was unwilling even to contemplate the possibility of a 3-tier system that saw anything other than "black" or "white." Anonymouse's notion that anyone who is not "white" MUST be utterly "black," with no possibility of in-between (no possibility of in-between!) is alien to the West Indies. In fact, this notion is found in the general population only in the United States of America.
I said nothing of the sort. I stated to other Trinidadians she would be viewed as black. Never did I state as you claim you have to be either black or white which would be a foolish claim in a country where blacks and east indians form the majority of the population.
I was told that my viewpoints are refuted by studies done on Spanish and french countries (non-english). While those islands are in the Caribbean for the most part they are not considered West Indian countries. I have yet to encounter a Dominican or a Puerto Rican that referred to themselves as West Indian (though many Haitians do).
Fwsweet seems to believe that in Trinidad & Tobago 2007 (2008 - happy new year) mixed or coloured is a racial designator which is distinct and separate from others. He is mistaken. Coloured is a euphemism for black. A person can be mixed and still be black, the same way the husband from the article is mixed with white yet is still Chinese.
fwsweet wrote:
Donning my administrator's hat once again, I now question whether Anonymouse has any connection to Trinidad or to the British West Indies. He is apparently ignorant of the island usages of "black" versus "coloured." He unfamiliar with the names of the scholars whose works form the basic history curriculum taught on the islands. He has apparently never set foot in any of the campuses of the University of the West Indies.
I previously stated that I went to Howard University. Whether or not I ever stepped foot on a UWI campus is irrelevant. But if you plop me down in Barbados I can surely drive to Cave Hill without asking for directions.
After that I was effectively called a liar with regards to having a West Indian background. And by West Indian I am referring to English speaking former British colonies in the Caribbean which is how natives refer to themselves. And if a person has ever spent any time in the West Indies, written a letter or even been around West Indian people from any West Indian country they would know this to be true. And the fact that he referred to the xmas party guests at his in-laws as "Badians" shows how little he knows about at least one island in the West Indies. He reeks of the same American arrogance that he chastises others of having by renaming people on a whim. A person from Barbados is either Barbadian (formal) or Bajan (pronounced bay-jun). I have been referred to as a "Barbajan" by older folks in Jamaica but they really didn't know any better so I didn't correct them.
And yes i would know because as I have repeatedly stated in the past I am a 1st gen American: My mother is from Whitehall, St. Michael and my father is from Blackrock, St Michael. I grew up in NYC but spent considerable time growing up in Bim. And yes Bim and/or Bimshire are acceptable alternative names for Barbados. The current Ambassador from Barbados (Michael King) to the US is my mother's first cousin. His wife name is Jackie (also a matter of public record) and she is Vincy (Vincentian). They have 2 sons - the younger is a photographer living in San Francisco, the older one works for CARICOM and is in GT (Georgetown, Guyana). Living in the WDC area I do attend embassy functions as well as OAS (Organization of the American States) functions.
This pic was taken at the 40th Independence at the OAS here in DC in November of 2006. Mr. King is on the far left and his wife is in white.
This was taken at my aunt's beach house. Mr. King is seated on the right. My son is in the striped sweater watching cartoons. Mr. King's younger son is on the left
I am not and have never claimed to be trini. I have Trinidadian relatives and I am well familiar with Trinidadian people, customs & culture. I was married for a while to a Jamaican woman of black and indian extraction and we have one son. I am well versed with Jamaican people, customs and culture. I also have very close family friends that are Guyanese and I too am well versed with the people, culture and customs. And it should be quite obvious that I know a great deal about Barbados.
As far as me never setting foot outside the US (a truly ludicrous and somewhat childish assertion on your part) is also false. Usually I stay by my Aunt for a time and hotels the rest of the time. She lives in Cane Vale which is up the road from Oistens in Christ Church. And while I have not been to Barbados in a few years I was able to scrape up a few shots from the few pictures that I have knocking around here:
This is a view from line land from my father's side of the family in Boscobelle, St. Peter. I neither found the time nor the funds to develop it yet but I do have plans to build a house or two on it. But this is my land.
This is a popular spot for locals and tourists alike called Bathsheba in St. Joseph on the east coast (the Atlantic) side of the island. The date on the camera was set wrong (3 years ahead).
This a shot of my sister (on the left), myself and my cousin Anne on the right
This was taken at my cousin Anne's wedding in 93 (same cousin from above). I am in the dark suit looking back at the camera
And if that is not enough for you here is a page from my passport.
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